Picard 3x09- 'Vox' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

ilovesmybrick

Picard 3x09- 'Vox' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers

FutureGuy

I was a blubbering mess for most of the last 15.

There is no way Shaw stays dead. None. They completely underestimated his popularity and I'd be stunned if they don't "Raffi had some crazy S31 tech" to save him (even if it's not shown on screen).

eadrom

Enjoyed the last 10 minutes but ach, mostly rubbish really. The Borg, again. I'd kinda assumed as much at this stage but still a bit disappointed. Find a new tune, guys! These old Borg just ain't what they used to be.

And Shaw? Ffs.

Yeah, seeing the D was "nice" but not a good episode, or plot development, or anything really.

eadrom

And that bloody armada thing is stupid. Every ship in Starfleet in the same place? Titan zipping from here to there to somewhere else before anyone can finish a sentence?

Space is tiny. Starfleet is dumb. The Borg, whichever "version" of them this is, aren't interesting anymore.

Like it's not season 2 bad but it's not good either.

And Shaw?! FFS.

AMKC

Wow what an episode. Best ever.

Seeing the all the Starfleet ships however was something else and the big bad well I have to say I guessed it fairly early on but kind of blame You-Tube for that. Someone there had a who is the big bad video which I did watch but of course it had them mentioned on the front of it.

I have to say it was very well done and thought out too. 35 years ago.

Think Jack is crazy going there but anyway.

Lover the part where Geordie says to Data try to be more positive and Data say hope we die quickly lol.

That last 20 15 minutes wow. Loved it

Way to go Geordie.

Worf of course the dry sh-it suits his character do. Geordie shoukd have said don't worry I have made upgrades to them systems worf.

Can't wait to get this on Blu-Ray when it's out and watch it on a T.V :) just like the Original series TNG.

ilovesmybrick

The last twenty minutes really made that for me. I'd agree with the above, the Borg aspect was pretty well flagged, and while the explanation was a small bit out there it did make a certain degree of sense that the Borg would also have a genetic component. I do kind of see why the dragged out the Jack storyline too much so that we don't end up with a season long Borg story that goes no where, like season 1, but still that reveal was dragged out way too much.

In terms of major problems, agree with the above, that fleet armada thing is pretty silly, I think it's straight out of the Armada games (or maybe one of the others). And the transporter DNA thing...Sure, makes a degree of sense that the transporter would have some form of reference material, but being able to fill in the genetic gaps like that. That's an even worse ethical dilemma that the original 'Do transporters murder people' one.

But man, F the last twenty minutes. If the kill Shaw off I'm going to be unbelievably pissed, but I'm sure there'll be some hand wavey way out of it. Maybe using 7's nano-probes or something. From a future story perspective that could be a good move, helping clear the air between 7 and Shaw over her being ex Borg, while adding another tension too.

Obviously the last ten minutes were the money shot. Not going to lie, when they powered up the D I got tingles, that was awesome! I really hope that from this season, and to an extent SNW, they've realised the importance of the actual ship to the show rather than the non-entitities in Discovery and prior Picard.

It seems that Geordi is not a fan of the new ship aesthetic. He kept proper lighting and carpets on the Bridge! I did like Picards quip about the carpets, the meta commentary by the old crew of some of the stupider aspects of new Trek has been fun this season. It was also nice to hear Majel Barrett as the computer again.

Of course now we have the question, if they could recover and repair the D, what the hell did Workf do to the E???

horgan_p

All the emotions here. Anger that it was the Borg. Confusion about who is the current Borg queen ?

But that last 20 minutes. Oh boys oh boys.

Only way to top it is if they split off Worf into the Defiant, and Janeway and seven take Voyager.

But how many people does it take to run a starship ? Even minimal functions ?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472130#Comment_120472130

Of course now we have the question, if they could recover and repair the D, what the hell did Worf do to the E???

Well Geordie did say they could not use the E as then the Borg could interconnect with that too so maybe it's in the fleet museum just not on show yet. Maybe Geordie had people fixing that up too. The D was their only real option as it was the only functional ship on the Museam. I must say I thought they might have taken the NX-O1 out lol or even the Enterprise-A but neither of them would have made sense but would have been cool to see.

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472293#Comment_120472293

Definitely not the Enterprise B anyway, torpedoes aren't being installed until Tuesday

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472329#Comment_120472329

If ever lol.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472293#Comment_120472293

Makes no sense really.

Half of the D is newer than the E.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472374#Comment_120472374

Maybe it's not. Maybe Geordie put it back together and built it with tech and materials just like when it was first built. I was hoping he would say where the secondary hull came from but he never did or did he?

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472452#Comment_120472452

He did. The drive section is from another ship, he names it but I forget which.

pah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472460#Comment_120472460

USS Ciricuse / Siricuse / Siriqus 🤷‍♂️

Can't find anything online

That was all kinds of awesome, lots of exposition in there too but the intricacies of the Borg plot are well explained

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473171#Comment_120473171

I think it was the Syracuse?

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473171#Comment_120473171

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/V%C3%B5x_%28episode%29

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Syracuse

The shuttle arrives at the Fleet Museum on Athan Prime, and approaches hangar bay 12. Geordi knows they needed an older ship, one not affected by the new automation system. He had been intending this as a surprise, but decides there was no time like the present. Inside the hangar, much to the shock of Picard and the others, is a reconstructed USS Enterprise-D. Geordi explains that the saucer was recovered from Veridian III per the Prime Directive, so as not to influence the inhabitants of the system. He has spent the past twenty years rebuilding the secondary hull, including nacelles taken from the USS Syracuse.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472460#Comment_120472460

No he said the Engines and Nacelles come from the Strauss-Kahn.

He never says anything about a secondary hull.

FGR

What an episode.

I know it's highly unlikely but I really hope Shelby and Shaw survive somehow - not that it would make much sense but still; it was great to see Shelby after LD and Shaw is a personal favourite.

It's been mentioned here - but I have to admit to an emotional reaction to seeing the cast on the bridge of the D - is the bridge a combination of Season 1/Season 7 as helm/nav's seats look Season 1 style while the carpet and the rest is from later.

Definitely not Generations style/lighting though. Am very happy with this!

Also, if the entire fleet is there - what happened to the USS Zheng He and the other 199 copies of it?

eadrom

Strange that Geordi reverted all the changes that were made to the bridge prior to Star Trek: Generations.

You might almost think they're just aiming for maximum nostalgia memberberries rather than any sort of in-universe accuracy or well reasoned storytelling. But no, surely not?

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473743#Comment_120473743

I think it's all fairly accurate season 7 style, including the seats at the front. The season 1 seats were much more inclined and had a headrest.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/enterprise-d-bridge.htm

FutureGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473743#Comment_120473743

I sometimes hope that they would mention that Riker basically bluffed with holographic ships.

ilovesmybrick

Also, if the entire fleet is there - what happened to the USS Zheng He and the other 199 copies of it?

@FGR Unfortunately after that action a soon to be demoted lieutenant pressed Ctrl+Z

Spear

I'm admittedly disappointed that it's the borg again. We've already had the first two seasons of them, their recurrence almost makes Picard a one-note character, whose entire life consisted of nothing but borg. But I thought the scenes were well done, with a creepy undertone of the young overthrowing the old. The end sequence was predictable and indulgent sentimentality, but I still enjoyed it regardless of that.

I'd be surprised if they leave Shaw dead, they'd want him to anchor a spin off alongside Seven.

I'm a bit perplexed that the fleet museum has such easy access to the requisite antimatter for a warp core and spare weapons like photon torpedoes hanging around.

sioda

I'm absolutely pissed off with that lazy useless writing.

The borg again ffs the pa wraith would have made more sense and added but to rehash the borg come on

Also take a ship designed for fighting take the defiant or the upgraded voyager.

I really had wanted more from this but alas rubbish

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474128#Comment_120474128

The fleet museum also seems to have no crew.

This whole thing is like the plot you would see in a simulator escape room game.

Cant believe we have Control II already.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473765#Comment_120473765

No couldn't be.

eadrom

Maybe I missed it but what was the shapeshifters plan again for the Borg alliance thing?

So, the shapeshifters who apparently have already infiltrated all corners of Starfleet and are capable of impersonating anyone they want, except for no reason at all any of our favourite characters, but they needed to ally with the Borg because.... what?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the changelings are just totally forgotten about in the next episode. I don't see how they can make any of that make sense.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474256#Comment_120474256

Seems to be just for the sake of hurting the Federation, no matter what the cost/angle/method of doing so.

I don't think the changelings would really want to impersonate the more senior staff. Their goal is laid the ground for the borg stealth assimilation. They'd want to go for the nobodies with access to the transporters. If an admiral turned up and asked for some alone time with the transporter room, it'd raise some eyebrows. Hence why disposable no-name transporter ensign infiltrates the Titan, and doesn't replace Shaw.

_Kaiser_

I don't care..

Yes it's the Borg again, yes there's plot holes and obvious questions. It's the last season either way and Matalis has gone a long way to undo the damage of the first two with the latitude he had.

But the -D.. As she was/should be. On screen again in HDR. Lit properly even!

Fantastic!

Though I do hope that Shaw is somehow revived. Great addition this year.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474359#Comment_120474359

This is just season 1 with more cameos.

The D coming back is a load of bullsht.

And Matalas was showrunner for season 2.

When I think of the new "Enterprise D"

https://youtu.be/jqZEr1Y-lZU

fritzelly

Well damn and I like the surreptitious takeover of Starfleet by the borg

odyssey06

The Borg and the Changlings!

Surprised the brain bugs from Conspiracy arent part of this anti Starfleet... conspiracy. They must feel a bit left out.

Slydice

It was... It was... beautiful! 😭

That last scene! Oof! Sooo good!

Loved how the whole activation of the dark ship felt like the search for spock.

Great to see Shelby again. I remember before thinking (maybe posting, I can't remember) that it felt crap how Elizabeth Dennehy hadn't seemed to have jumped off to some big roles after next generation.

This Borg feels a bit weird in that they don't seem to be prioritising the assimilation as heavily. Seems fighting has a pretty high priority there too.

CastorTroy

Is Annie Wersching still playing the Queen? This her final role?

Maybe someone needs to fill Beverly in on the events of the past 2 seasons since she believes we haven't heard from the Borg in over a decade.

I wouldn't have the same nostalgia as others but even I was happy with the big reunion..... with the carpet.

Good to hear Data being more positive.

Nooooo, not Shaw! Take Raffi instead! Liked Shaw after only a few episodes but Raffi isn't likeable after 3 seasons.

Was it really a good idea to broadcast the fact they were going to the maintenance deck?

Must watch the last few TNG crew movies. I saw 1 or 2 but barely remember them.

corkie

Despite its ethereal look in this episode, the bridge of the Enterprise-D was a complete set build — from ceiling to floor — led by Star Trek: Picard production designer Dave Blass and art director Liz Kozlowski.

~~ https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/04/star-trek-picard-review-vox/

@odyssey06

Second, just how is a crew of seven going to operate the entire ship? Did Geordi build the replica strictly for presentation, or is the ship fully operational, complete with remote control for various systems that none of the seven people could handle? Maybe the final episode will expand on the extent of Geordi’s creation, but for now, the nature of this Enterprise is in question. It’s also majorly convenient that Geordi happened to finish this 20-year-long restoration project in time for it to be used in this way.  ~~ https://treknews.net/2023/04/13/review-star-trek-picard-309-vox/

TheValeyard

I was annoyed it was The Borg......again.

THEY KILLED SHAW! YOU BAST*RDS.

Remake a scene in E10 where he is brought back by Borg tech.

Ffs, it would have made sense for it to be the Pah Wraiths or even the Iconians But the Borg....

But at least the transporter assimilation by stealth was a fairly cool twist.

Other things to note...........

After the Protostar incident, Starfleet really went down the connection route again??

Hey Shelby, bye Shelby.

The entire fleet, in one location....really...

So the Breen, Tholians, Pirates or whoever wouldnt try something sneaky somewhere in Federation space???

Red Letter Media will probably have a meltdown over this...

Things I liked.

The Ent-D, sexy b*tch. Looked great and the reasoning worked well.

Ent-F looked very nice

Ent-E what did Worf do!!!

Some of the lines were brilliant in this episode.

Really liked the stealth assimilation, clever revenge from a broken foe.

So, we're the Changeling just mercs?

Or will we get more to that story?

breezy1985

Who was the skull guy ?

If it was the Borg what was the chopping off your hand to communicate.

The Borg transporter plot would be cool as a movie but as usual KurtzTrek gave us 8 episodes of shte only to flip the whole thing.

On the plus side Elnor served on the Excelsior 😁

Loved that episode, apart from Shaw getting it. The old crew back on the old ship, the universe in dire straights, hook it to my veins.

The_Wanderer

I haven't read any of this thread yet. Still on a high from the last 10 mins of this episode after the Borg takeover.

I've never really admitted this. But as a 13 year old, I cried myself to sleep on February 10th 1995 when the Enterprise -D was lost. Looking up at the big newspaper poster of her on my bedroom wall (it was a cutaway diagram of her either from the Daily Star or a Daily Mirror pullout). On April 14th 2023, as a 42 year old, I cried tears of joy as the Senior Staff walked around the bridge of the Enterprise. A few things looked off, but I've forgive Geordie for that, after all he did have to rebuild her.

Pity about losing Shaw, but on the other hand at least it wasn't one of our crew.

Sparko

They've left themselves with a lot to do to tie this all up in one episode but I'm still on board. I suspected what was in hangar 12 as I'm sure many did but can't say I didn't practically squeal when I saw it 😂

I can get behind there being something left in Picard from his Borg days, and I liked how they linked it to him being able to hear the Borg after he was severed from the collective. Although was their plan dependant upon Picard having a child? Or was that just an added benefit. Maybe things that will be explained in episode 10.

Sparko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474850#Comment_120474850

Alice Krige was credited as the voice. Not sure if they reworked the scene to maybe edit out Annie out of respect and that's why the Queen was never visible.

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475811#Comment_120475811

I had that cutaway! I made my mam go buy it for me and remember carting it to the UK to show off to my uncle! Really wish I hadn't lost it as it was really cool. I'm presuming it was a blow up one from the TNG manual.

Evade

Rehashing the Borg for the third time isn't the best but maybe they'll do it right this time.

Bringing back the D was pretty obvious but she did look good, hopefully Geordi did a better job of automating it than Scotty did.

The transporter thing was interesting in the end, I thought they were going to quietly drop that question.

Nice to see Shelby again briefly. Her ambition kept up all these years she was a Fleet Admiral (5 pips), wasn't she?

With the confirmation of the Borg subtitle spoilered in episode 4 it does seem like a decent movie length story stretched out to fill 10 episodes. It wasn't all bad filler but a lot was unnecessary.

Having all the ships at Earth was dumb a line saying they were all the new system compatible ships would have been just as effective and older classes could still have been out on patrol.

Mitch Connor

Will be interesting to see how tey finish out the season.

The entire fleet taken over.

Have to think it will be something around Jack taking control of the Borg and reverting what they have done. Even if Jurati borg came back, you still need to revert the assimilation; otherwise wtf does the universe go.

Rafi and Seven are still on the Titan, aren't they? Those two against the entire ship? Can't see them being offed, so they have to win somehow.

_Kaiser_

Just can't stop watching this... 😯😁

https://youtu.be/NCLD_X-0eVY

Mitch Connor

also, i was kinda hoping for some more 'memberberries' and have Geordi/Bev/Picard/Riker on Enterprise, Seven and Shaw on Voyager, and Worf and Raffi on Defiant going in to battle in ep 10.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476371#Comment_120476371

Too much 4th wall breaking. Lower Decks does that already and better.

The carpet joke is just lifted straight out of fan forums.

paulbok

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474144#Comment_120474144

Considering all the fleet ships were connected to a central network, leaving them easily taken over all at once, it's a wonder the Cylons didn't show up.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476399#Comment_120476399

I actually appreciated it. These characters/actors have been together for over 30 years and seem to be genuine friends as well. I'm sure a lot of the reactions/emotions when they walked onto that bridge (set) were genuine.

This is probably the last time we're going to see this group together and to have them on this ship/set for the final episodes is just outstanding.

You can actually see Patrick Stewart get into the moment from that "Make it so" line onwards - despite him apparently not wanting to get back on the bridge originally.

paulbok

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473765#Comment_120473765

the ship was a museum piece, so restoring it to it's original schematics isn't unreasonable.

paulbok

What was with the symbols the assimilated fleet ships formed at the end?