You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840127#Comment_120840127

That makes no sense. How can you claim a crowd of people who have never heard my opinions disagree with me. What did you do? Goto London to ask them all if they agreed with me?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840205#Comment_120840205

No, they enthusiastically cheered on the words of that awful speaker.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840050#Comment_120840050

Looks like you answered the question anyway.

If you replaced the word TERF with the word trans and said that at a parade, you’d be arrested.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840254#Comment_120840254

Because being trans is protected, as people have zero choice on whether they’re trans or not. Same as whether they’re born straight, gay, black, white, bi, disabled etc.

Being a TERF on the other hand, is completely a choice and the TERF can always change their mind, if they’re able to open it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840281#Comment_120840281

Just to be crystal clear here -- women are called "TERFs" (a stupid acronym) because they believe in things such as ensuring that women's sport is fair.

That's how low the bar is for women to be smeared with that label.

Rather than condemn the speaker, you're saying that well perhaps if women were more open minded about things like that, then they wouldn't be subject to verbal and physical threats.

By any other measure this is gaslighting.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840281#Comment_120840281

People don’t chose to be a terf. They get labelled that by violent radical trans activists as an excuse to attack them.

You seem to think that it’s ok to hit women because disagree with you. Dangers from the left demonstrated there.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840254#Comment_120840254

You can’t say with any sort of certainty whether anyone would or wouldn’t be arrested for saying it. That’s the problem with the whole inventing hypothetical scenarios, there’s no way of knowing whether they would actually happen or not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840317#Comment_120840317

Just to be crystal clear - the term refers to Feminists, not women, and a particular type of feminist at that, one who is opposed to the inclusion of people who are transgender in Feminist ideology. It’s a political belief which isn’t limited to women, nor can it be specifically associated with women as the vast majority of women aren’t Feminists and don’t subscribe to Feminism.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840317#Comment_120840317

I do get sick of arguing with you, you twist and turn everything.

TERF is an acronym for TRANS EXCLUSIONARY RADICAL FEMINIST.

Nothing stupid about it.

It’s not limited to women.

It doesn’t mean ALL women either.

When you claim to be “Crystal clear”, is there any chance you could tell the truth?

It goes far beyond “women’s sport being fair”.

Nothing I said was incorrect about trans individuals not having a choice in being trans, unlike TERF’s, who can change THEIR OPINION. For that is all it is.

If you think that’s gas lighting, that’s your issue, not mine.

I’ve bowed out over the last few days, but I’ve been happy to see you and the other chap being taken to town from someone from your own aisle, and showing everyone how ridiculous most of your threats from the left are, and the culture war in general is.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840359#Comment_120840359

Nobody is born a TERF either. It’s a learned behaviour.

It’s an acronym that stand for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

It may have been co-opted to include everyone who is anti-trans. The correct phrase is a transmisiac. Someone who dislikes trans individuals.

As for your last paragraph, you can get in the sea for making up nonsense about me. Or you can quote me where I say it’s ok to hit women because they disagree with me. I’ll save you the trouble, you won’t find it.

This is the problem with anti-trans folk, having to resort to making up fictional bullsh*t because their arguments are so weak.

Police have decided to re-open a probe into Sarah Jane Baker after the inciteful comments.

But I wasn't aware of Baker's background:

Sarah Jane Baker, whose spent 30 years in jail for kidnap and then the attempted murder of a fellow prisoner, provoked outrage over her inflammatory comments on Saturday against feminists who are critical of trans ideology. 

She told the cheering crowd on Saturday: 'I was gonna come here and be really fluffy and be really nice and say yeah be really lovely and queer and gay... Nah, if you see a TERF, punch them in the f****** face.' 

Why was this person even invited as an official guest to appear on the main stage at Trans Pride!?

Puts the violent remarks in a much wider context.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840609#Comment_120840609

Why was this person even invited as an official guest to appear on the main stage at Trans Pride!?

This belongs in the Dangers from the Right thread as it is yet another example of you either lying, or not doing any research (even though it’s already here on this thread!) that she was not invited as an official guest, it was during an open mike section.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840632#Comment_120840632

That's beside the point (though Douglas Murray argues that Baker was in fact an "official speaker", however that's defined by him. I haven't seen any evidence that refutes this).

Whether it was official or not is neither here nor there; it's the fact that Sarah Jane Baker is a regular speaker at trans events (a cursory search can find dozens of examples) and was speaking at the main stage of Trans Pride, and was celebrated for advocating violence against women -- an ex-con with a history of violence and attempted murder, yet you and others would rather spend time critiquing me, rather than Sarah Jane Baker.

That speaks volumes.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840043#Comment_120840043

Do you think that encouraging people to punch others in the face because of their beliefs is helpful for engendering a sense of acceptance for the trans lobby?

Or should people who likely have issues relating to their inability to control their anger be given a platform to make such statements?

Ultimately my belief is that everyone loses when the lunatic fringe are given the opportunity to spread their nonsense.

Looking at this situation the question that comes to mind is, why did somebody allow this person to get up there and say these things and why is it that a lobby group (in a loose sense here for arguments sake) would feel using a person with these clearly apparent anger issues speak on their behalf and what does that say about the lobby group as a whole and it's current direction?

I've no issue with trans people campaigning for their rights and for acceptance from society at large. To my mind that fight has been largely won and the aggrevation we see now relating to the trans issue comes from more extreme voices looking for a fight wherever they feel one might occur which is beginning to have a detrimental effect on peoples perception of trans people as a whole.

TLDR; Violent rhetoric = gains made by trans right advocates being lost.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840662#Comment_120840662

No.

You can’t make a claim such as

Why was this person even invited as an official guest to appear on the main stage at Trans Pride!?

When it is patently untrue. It weakens absolutely everything you say as no one will believe you.

Btw, why would you believe a known opponent of trans rights over the organisers when it comes to who was an official speaker?

THAT is what speaks volumes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840715#Comment_120840715

The same organizers who after the incitement to violence comments, justified the use of hateful language (apparently as long as people don't act on it).

I have no time for them either.

jbrod77

are this gang right or left? a threat or not?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120807235#Comment_120807235

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840127#Comment_120840127

Are you implying Annaspora was at the event?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840609#Comment_120840609

You were aware of Baker’s background, you can’t possibly have not been aware of Baker’s background when it was reported in the very same article you posted earlier, the one which also includes one of the organisers saying that Baker was not an official speaker, so you can’t say you haven’t seen anything to refute Murray’s claims either. You linked to this article, which contained the information you’ve posted above, claiming you weren’t aware of it -

She was released from prison three years ago after serving 30 years for the kidnapping and attempted murder of her stepmother’s brother, and for attempting to kill another prisoner while incarcerated.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/09/trans-pride-defends-activist-who-told-crowd-to-punch-terfs/

I have considered the possibility that you aren’t even reading the articles and tweets you’re posting though, it would explain why you think anyone should give a sugar for Murray’s opinions, when his opinions on people who are transgender are well known already.

Using this incident as a vehicle for his particular rhetoric isn’t unusual, it’s quite obvious that his motives aren’t to condemn violence, his only interest in these cases is to use them to stir up shìt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840766#Comment_120840766

Quite the opposite.

Annasopra opposes what was said, whereas those in attendance at the event enthusiastically supported what was said.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840281#Comment_120840281

“ zero choice in being trans “

so they don’t choose to remove their privates ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840822#Comment_120840822

So from thinking scat is going to be on the secondary school syllabus to thinking someone is only trans if you remove your genitals.

Any chance you do some research before you troll?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840805#Comment_120840805

Sorry, got you mixed up with a different poster.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840887#Comment_120840887

so if surgery isn’t necessary to qualify as “ trans “ ?

does that mean a woman with a penis still in tact can be classed as female?

genuine question so please no derisory reply

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840897#Comment_120840897

That is the way it currently stands.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840902#Comment_120840902

“The emperor’s new clothes” tale springs to mind

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840897#Comment_120840897

You know the answers to these questions in the sane way you know whats not on the syllabus - they're not genuine!

No one is that ignorant, and if they were genuine, you'd have researched before you posted.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840955#Comment_120840955

That’s a pretty long winded way of saying I don’t like how you won’t go along with make believe

sorry , I refuse to play make believe

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840731#Comment_120840731

We’re done.

I’m not going to get in to any back and forth with you anymore as you continue to lie, so there is literally no point. All I shall do from now on is correct your lies and misinformation. It’s utterly pointless in engaging with you any more than that.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840231#Comment_120840231

What's that got to do with me?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840822#Comment_120840822

Nah. Being trans does not equal having surgery. You need to read some more on the issue as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.