Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

The_Kew_Tour

THe shot clock idea is simple a no no if want inprove game.

dxhound2005

The tinkering is continuing. When it comes to the real stuff, there is no way the players are going to accept being made stay in certain areas of the field. Imagine suggesting that nonsense in soccer.

What would improve things is to make 8 or 10 steps the rule instead of 4. 4 is completely unnatural for a player heading for goal at full tilt. That is why it gets ignored. Just as soccer keepers take far longer than 6 seconds, but referees ignore that.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0701/1457592-rule-trials-may-be-extended-as-far-as-october/

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335746#Comment_122335746

But the offside rule in soccer controls the areas players venture into? Even more notably so with rugby. Players have accepted these rules. In Gaelic Games they have to stay outside the parallelogram before the ball arrives. GAA players have accepted this restriction so there's no question as to whether players would accept it. Being penalised constantly would concentrate minds quickly.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335814#Comment_122335814

A player can be offside a yard from the centre of the pitch. And everybody can be onside with a dozen bodies (including the two keepers) within a yard of the goals. What people want to do with GAA players is make some of them stay in certain areas of the pitch. Which is not a natural thing in a dynamic game like football.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122333914#Comment_122333914

"there are too many people making a living out of backroom teams in inter county GAA"

Hit the nail firmly on the head there TD, there's the biggest reason for the rubbish we as paying customers are being served up in a large percentage of games.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335914#Comment_122335914

"dynamic'. Long time since that term could be associated with the game of Gaelic football.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335914#Comment_122335914

Its funny how some teams manage quite easily to have their entire team in a small area of the pitch when it suits. Not sure the game is very dynamic at all. I'd say it's the opposite to dynamic at the moment.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336783#Comment_122336783

All within the rules which were also there when teams had rigid positions. And the keeper always sent kickouts straight to midfield where two from each side were waiting to contest them. And of course nobody dreamt of something so outrageous as a keeper coming out the field. Or outfield players trying to retain possession instead of kicking every ball at the earliest opportunity.

It must be really galling for modern coaches and players to see the reaction to such logical developments. They are not doing it just for the hell of it, it makes perfect sense to play the game in the modern way. And they got no help from anyone else except with the introduction of marks, which are a positive thing.

Now the reactionaries want to put restrictions on the natural flow of the game with artificial rule changes. Using the argument that there was some Golden Age of football in the past which has been lost. There never was a Golden Age, and there were as many dire matches in the past as there are now. I say let the game develop whichever way it will, and enjoy the contests.

The "transition" in modern football to use that new description, is a perfect demonstration of the dynamic nature of play. Very much like in soccer, where teams play on the break.

PeggyShippen

The best and easiest rule that would definitely make the game better is a take down tackle. The compromise rules for me was better than Gaelic football. I know some people thought it wasn't but surely there is room for a proper manly tackle instead if the sneaky slapping amd pulling and dragging.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337093#Comment_122337093

I think you may be imagining that people are talking about a golden age of football or that people have an aversion to people passing the ball and retaining possession. No idea where that's coming from.

The point being made is that the sport is currently almost unwatchable. And nobody is saying that this absolute is nit within the rules (again you're imagining this); on the contrary some of us are recommending changing the rules to disincentive boring unwatchable football. We're not asking anyone to break rules.

And "artificial rule changes"........what's that about? All rules are artificial. Otherwise we are back to carrying a ball from one end of the parish to the other.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337265#Comment_122337265

Rosita, I would encourage you not to waste your bandwidth arguing logically with some folk here.

Its become quite clear the play of Gaelic football is a boring repetitive watch right now.

The public opinion says it, the Gaa say it, the commentators on various media outlets say it, the pundits say it.

Intelligent people like you say it , and yet you have folk appearing, making all sorts of insinuations without

addressing the elephant in the room .

If it were raining outside and the roads were flooded, these people would tell you its nice and dry.

dog_pig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122325041#Comment_122325041

Not sure the Donegal Louth game is a good example of modern players bricking it in front of goal

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340000#Comment_122340000

I'm talking about in general, hence why did not even Louth or donegal in my post.

dog_pig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340469#Comment_122340469

Did you not read the posts you were replying to? Maybe you replied to the wrong person?

dxhound2005

Lee Keegan has joined in the clamour for changes. But no amount of tinkering with the game will change the fact that it is about winning, and at least he has the grace to recognise that. If the players and managers want to turn Kerry v Armagh and Galway v Donegal into boring slogfests, then that is what will happen. Or one or both could be high quality, like many games are.

Some soccer teams like Arsenal and Italy of the past were famous for playing an ultra defensive style. And Ireland got some success from the Put Them Under Pressure approach. But things moved on naturally, without stupid stuff being imposed on the players. The back pass to the keeper rule change was the only real intervention from off the field sources, and it is a good thing. Gaelic will evolve whatever way the players want it to. No amount of reinventing the rules will make any difference to that.

Keegan thinks the rule makers can engineer a game which the players don't want to play. They can't, and they should learn from the previous failed attempts.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0702/1457789-kerry-derry-horror-show-confirms-that-game-needs-change/

"Jack O'Connor won't give one single damn about the complaints of the pundits and the neutrals. For him, and everyone else in the camp, it's all about results. Will they be as negative again? If necessary, yes. Perhaps it won't be as extreme against Armagh but it may not be a million miles away either. The fact is that it made tactical sense for Kerry to adopt the approach they did against Derry. And that's the problem. It's not as if we haven't been here before. Ten years ago, they set up to mirror Donegal in the 2014 All-Ireland final. It resulted in a dismal game but Kerry picked up Sam at the end of it. So that's where the rule-makers have to step in. To engineer it so that it doesn't pay to play this way."

WesternZulu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337140#Comment_122337140

I agree to a point. The biggest issue with football is that it's far easier to hold onto the ball and not get dispossessed when in possession in comparison to other sports.

The easiest way to overcome it is as you suggest but I think a take down tackle would be far too radical to ever get accepted as a rule change.

Treble double

Exactly no real skill required to maintain possession. The tackle is an area that has to be cleaned up by the law makers, take down tackle would put the fear of God into players in possession and it may have to go that way

dxhound2005

I was at the 1983 semi final between Donegal and Galway. It as a turgid affair, which would not be out of place when compared to Derry v Kerry this year. I doubt if 1-12 or 1-11 will be enough for either of them to progress this year.

https://www.donegalsporthub.com/the-1983-all-ireland-semi-final-the-day-val-daly-broke-donegal-hearts/

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340859#Comment_122340859

Indeed, but my points was about vast high majority of games not the slim minority ones.

shockframe

Football is muck alright.

If the Euros is anything to go by!

Shank Williams

easy to introduce and enforce rule

No back pass to keeper- keeper not allowed out past 13M lineCould even go to no back pass to any player once past your own 20m or 45m
shot clocks- will be gamed

flasher0030

Oh God. I have tried to fight the corner for GAA football. Saying it was tactical and could be interesting when the matches are close in the final stages. But I was at the Limerick/Cork hurling match yesterday. And watched the Clare Kilkenny game the day before. And I cried into my pillow last night for the future of football. There is currently no comparison between the 2 sports in terms of energy and excitement. I really hope something can be done to bring some excitement back to football. Normally I'd be excited for the All-Ireland semi finals. But haven't really thought about them at all yet. Maybe come Friday, I'll get enthused again. And then await with trepidation the Kerry Armagh game on Saturday - and what will probably be about 200 sideways passes. I really hope I am wrong.

shockframe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355839#Comment_122355839

Yesterday was very exciting no doubt but Clare Kilkenny wasn't a classic and only got going in the last 15 minutes. Yesterday was the first decent game in nearly 7/8 weeks.

Even still despite the doomsayers on Football by many (who for some strange reason don't hold other field games to such high standards) the Football Final has been a better event more often than not than the Hurling for the last few seasons.

If the weather is good I'd expect Galway-Donegal to be a good game.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355839#Comment_122355839

It will be like when Ireland are playing in soccer, I always look forward to the game, then 5 minutes in I remember how bad they are and regret turning it on.

pgj2015

I was at Clare V kilkenny on Saturday, first Hurling game I was ever at. Hurling is a way better sport, it really puts football to shame, way better in person as well, tv doesn't do it justice. I am going to go to Hurling games from here on, might go back to football if it changes.

mobby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356257#Comment_122356257

The Dublin v Cork and Wexford v Clare QF games were poor enough. It's not all sunshine and roses.

Say Your Number

And the Limerick Clare Munster final was pretty boring as well.

Davys Fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356300#Comment_122356300

All sports have poor games. Its the ratio of good to bad you need to focus on.

KIB4Life

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356772#Comment_122356772

It hasn’t really been a vintage year for great hurling games, Cork vs Limerick both games and Clare vs Cork were the only good games in my view, the rest were poor enough. A lot of one sided games and a lot of games are now basically free taking competitions.

The_Kew_Tour

Down v Laois another awful advert for game

Let's hope Kerry v Armagh will produce something