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Parental care - I just don't want to do it

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  • 04-03-2023 7:39pm
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    Even writing this is making me feel a bit guilty. I (37M) have always been very close to my parents (75M and 75F). I lived at home until my mid-20s, then moved about 4hrs away for college. I then got a job there and bought a small house, living there for about 10 years before work got too stressful and I got a new job about 1hr from my parents house. I moved back in with the plan being to buy a place once I was settled. Then, I had problems selling my house which delayed me moving out again, then COVID came along which delayed it further (at the time if I left who knew if I'd even be allowed to visit with lockdowns) and then my mum was diagnosed with dementia. That made moving out much more complicated. Six years later, I'm still living there, and I feel like I'm getting ever more trapped. I don't want to have to care for them, I want to live my life. My living conditions are ok - nice big bedroom. It is very comfortable, but the rest of the house is shared with them. Forget the freedoms I had when I was living alone, no women or any friends over and we're in the countryside anyway. But the place is becoming an old persons house unless I take over a lot of the maintenance and garden work. Outside DIY or gardening help is a no-no. My dad is too proud!


    In the back of my mind I've long been very worried about what to do when one of them dies, churning it over in my head daily. The other won't be able to cope. I work in the engineering field, 4 day week from 8am to 6pm. It's hard, and I'm exhausted with it at times but I enjoy it. If I left that job I'd never get back into the industry again given recruitment. So the idea of caring for them when one dies isn't compatible but yet I see no other solution. It has been a thorn in my side for the past few years with the worries of what would happen if one was unwell. I couldn't really talk to them about it - all I'd get is a "we'd manage". My mum is slowing down, she is lucid but frail and a conversation is at the speed of an old person with all sorts of "erm...er.. whats that word". It drives me mad as I want a conversation at my own speed of thinking - ie: people my own age. My hobbies all involve travel - I have good savings so do a monthly holiday and city break (I'm VERY lucky there), gigs abroad (no scene at all here) and extensive hiking. Other than that its just the computer for me.


    Anyway, all of this came to a head towards the end of 2022 when my mum had a fall and she has spent the last while in hospital. This immediately took an axe to my hobbies as I can't travel and really, my entire life. She's miserable in hospital and I can visit from work, so all of my lunchtimes involve me visiting her, then working late to make up any time. So exhausting.


    My dad has been ok, he's very fit for his age and manages alright, but I worry about him on his own from 630am to 7pm daily - he visits her every few days and I drive him up weekend evenings. He needs company, which I'm doing at evenings and weekends. But this is making my hobbies untenable because I don't feel I should be out of the house for that long - certainly not multiple overnights. Work is one thing - but me going off on a jolly for holidays and leaving one in hospital and one at home on their own is hard. My dad, to be fair, has always said that he would make sure I'm not effected by having to care for him, but the reality of this last fortnight shows me that he just NEEDS some help himself. Good dinners, tablet taking, reminder to heat the house, chopping wood.


    My mum fully expects us to care for her and is becoming very entitled, selfish and obstinate - no other relatives have EVER been in a nursing home and she will point blank refuse, considering a nursing home a form of abandonment. She commented recently that a neighbour put her mother into a home "to rot, because he couldn't be bothered taking care or her. He was brought up better than this" and that she'll need a lot of help from me and my dad when she gets home - which will be soon enough hopefully. Even when I fluffed her pillow in the hospital she said that was "good practice" for when she's home. I had to cancel a holiday over this fall - thats fine, I'm not complaining just this once, but when I said I wasn't going I got a "well thats life" from her rather than a sorry. Dementiais awful.


    Support networks are nonexistant outside of the visits the medical team would provide. I don't have any siblings to help, nor does my mum, and my dad only has two 80+ year old sisters in another country. I have friends, but no close friends to rely on or even talk to. All of my friends are hobby specific. I don't have a partner either - partly a problem of living at home I guess and partly my own fault - I don't want kids which closes many doors. I have had girlfriends in the past but by bad luck they've been gold diggers, have had baby fever, or have been terribly controlling. Thats another thread. But basically there is noone going to raise a finger for my own health or my parents care and having seen how my hobbies collapsed when one parent is out of action for even a short while terrifies me for when (not if) something happens again. One in hospital, I'm screwed. One dies, I'm screwed. I don't want to have to care for them, simple as that, I want to go live my life and I resent getting dragged into this when I see other people my age happy with their own partners and freedoms which I once had but don't have anymore. All I see are closing doors, closing faster because I'm nearly 40. But just walking off or saying NO or ignoring the problem doesn't change the fact that they will NEED help and there is no-one else to do it.


    No scenario I can imagine has me free of this caring responsibility - I've always said I'll help out when I can, don't get me wrong there - but thats never enough in the care world. It's 100% of your time every day and I am dreading a future of further losing what I love doing. I could lose an untold number of years, theose years will be miserable, and then I'll be too old myself. I've tried to set up some boundaries subtly but she's not listening. He ignores the reality of how difficult this is for me, continually calling me very lucky in life. In ways, I am, but in ways I'm not. I don't have a partner to come home and decompress to and no woman in her right mind would take me on with these burdens now. It's all making me very weary of life and I'm aware and clued in that I could get very depressed very easily here.


    I suspect people will say "move out" . But thats not really an option. Not with house prices and availabilty nearby. It would also be such a drastic change of character that it'd be worrying. Not to mention that there is an inheritance tax reason for staying put. But I still feel awful about even writing this because... well.. they are my parents. They brought me up, supported me, and are family. I should help. But I want to be unencumbered and go on say a 10 day road trip, without having to worry about them constantly or, well, having to stay at home instead. I want to go out on a date and not feel pressure to get home because they are generally worried old people. I want to stay in a hotel without having to text them to say I've arrived. I know I'll miss them unmercifully when they're gone though.


    So am I the asshole in this situation? Is what I'm feeling valid or should I just be thankful they are still alive and do the "right thing", give up my life and help them out?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    'Not to mention that there is an inheritance tax reason for staying put'

    The mask always slips

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    Breach of Charter - not appropriate in Personal Issues.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    You were happy enough to move home as an adult and let them help you out. If you want to break free, you're going to have to make some arrangements for in home care. They sound like they could be candidates for for some in home assistance while you move out.

    They retain a level of independence, and you gain your own independence.

    You need to talk to your parents, let them know that you want an independent life as much as they do, and then maybe rent your own place somewhere more central.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 whiteframe


    I think there's two parts to your situation: your parents, and your own life perspective (what you mention about relationships). I'll focus on the fist.

    Only child, ageing parents living in the countryside, a house and garden that needs care, with no family or other support network, and a full time job (with what sounds like a long commute to that job?)... it must be a total nightmare for you. The reality is your parents are not that old. Your mom's dementia could well drag on for years and she might end up in a care home whether she agrees to it or. Your dad could also live for another 15-20 or more years, so you might be close to retirement before you see any inheritance (you mention the tax benefits of living at home).

    I would start by contacting your local health nurse and see what the options are where you live. I assume your parents won't get any HSE home help hours since they have a family member living with them. Still, at the very least, you should be entitled to a chat with the health nurse and some visits from an occupational therapist to check the suitability of the house for when your mom comes out of hospital (and discuss adaptations for living with dementia). You could try to organise private home home for a few hours day. The going rate arranged on an individual basis is €13-20/hour. The health nurse or your GP may have some contacts, or try to post an ad in local shops.

    You could also look into short-term respite care to give you and your dad a break for a few weeks a year (this can sometimes be state funded).



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I know you said you suspected it OP but get out, get out now. There is zero benefit to staying, their legacy is ruined as is yours. It amazes me that parents would stifle their child's prospects to live a life. They are adults, it's time for them to grow up.

    Is there two of you in it though? You've sold a house so surely you're in a position to buy or rent somewhere? The inheritance tax thing bothers me, are you more focussed on money than happiness?

    This is clearly one where you're in control of all the solutions OP



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 GalaxyExplorer


    Both you and your parents are in a tough situation.

    I am sure you deeply love your parents, and you are doing your best to care for them, which you should remember is extremely important. You are being a good son. The danger is that you are becoming resentful about the impact this is having on you being able to live, and develop, a normal life. I am sure your parents love you and want the best for you, but perhaps they do are staring into the abyss of what to do in this situation, and depending on you more than they realise. Ultimately, there is a stigma about going into a home, and most people of that generation don't want to end up there.

    The expectations of your parents are also likely at odds with the modern standard of living. You reference the desire to go on a long road trip, this is something they would seldom do, so perhaps don't even see the impact you not being able to do this could have.


    My advice is as follows;

    1. You love your parents, you need to be there for them in some capacity, otherwise, you will feel guilty and they will suffer (be it a fall, or other issue that crops up). So I totally disagree with cutting loose completely.

    2. Being there for them does not mean being a slave to them. You need to organise some form or care or respite, and balance it with your own life. Your mother may be totally against a home, but you will need to make some uncomfortable decisions, and they may not be perfect.

    3. I am sure your parents love you, dearly. In a better state they would also want to see you live your life to the full. My mother was very ill, yet told me to go and live my life, she would be "fine without me". There was no way she could manage, I sacrificed my time, career and time with my own family, and took care of her. If I didn't, she would have been miserable. I don't regret it, at all. I loved her so dearly, to leave her alone would have affected me mentally. But, I also needed a break, and you need to rely on supports. Even though ratcheting down your care for them may be uncomfortable, it will feed in to the greater picture of how an adult should develop and live their best life.

    Also, try and avoid becoming resentful.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Could you build on an annex or put up a log cabin or something to have your own space. You don’t sound happy at all and as an only child you do carry all of this alone which is understandably very difficult.

    You will have to make some decisions as this isn’t good for you or your parents. Can your Mum get respite, can you get a home help? Do you have any cousins you can talk to or other relatives? A problem shared and all that. Could you even talk to your gp for advice or anyone trustworthy. You need your life and this isn’t an easy situation but people do navigate their way through difficult situations and talking about the difficulties Is a really good start towards resolving them and improving things. Wishing you well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    Well all you can do is hope for the best - that they both die soon within weeks of each other. Then you'd be free and happy, right?

    Obviously I'm being facetious but the point is - stop worrying about what's going to happen because you just don't know. You just said yourself moving out isn't an option.

    So if you aren't going to move out then this IS going to be how things are. You can't say, oh, I want to still live here purely to avoid having to rent, I don't want to be caring for my parents though, just living in their house even though I have a good job.

    What if instead of one of them passing, it was you? You got hit by a bus or something tomorrow. They would have to manage. And so they would do if you decide to make a change.

    Until you actually act on your desire to live another way, you're worrying about stuff you made up in your head. You can do whatever you want. My mother is older too and is widowed but she wouldn't expect me to stay here if I had a job that paid a good wage, and I wouldn't do it either - I also don't want kids but I would like to have a partner and that would mean moving out to create a space that can accommodate coupling up. And my mother would understand that.

    Everyone's parents get older and more feeble but they don't all stay at home forever to take care of them, especially if they don't want to. If it comes down to it, I'll do it for my mother even though it will suck, but that's because she raised me and my 3 sisters on her own as my dead was a deadbeat drunk and my sisters don't live close by and unlike me, they have kids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 930 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    Your parents seem like a handy excuse to blame your frustrations and life shortcomings on. It was your choice to sell up and move back there in your early 30's. 6 years is a long time(that's 3 pre covid).

    Situations always seem worse when you're wrapped up in them day to day. So getting out is a must imo, you'll probably give more loving care on a part time basis than a resentful full time carer.

    From selling your house and saving for 6 years you must have a lot of money. This gives you more options than you're saying if you're willing to actually spend some of it. You can rent and assist with care payments and go on living your life. Assume you'll be receiving your parents house eventually so you have that peace of mind.

    Your relationship prospects aren't doomed because of this situation, that's too easy an excuse and I think that narrative suits you more than the reality.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    That's a tough situation to be in. You sound very busy at the moment with hospital visits etc and it's hard to see the bigger picture when you're consumed with the day to day.

    I'd suggest building up a local support network if you can. Neighbours who can look in on your parents when you're away, call for tea, get some shopping for them, just keep in touch. If you knew there was someone doing that it might give you peace of mind to off for a few days or more.

    Your parents are really not that old though people age differently, you'll know yourself if they are 'old' for their age or not. Do they have their own social circle outside of each other? That would be something to encourage even just for your dad if it's not suitable for your mother right now.

    You can't do all of this on your own so even if you think you can do things alone for now, start looking at building a local support network of friends, neighbours etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Let them sell up and use their money to pay for the best of care in their remaining years. You can go off and do whatever you like and make your own way. If there is anything lieft if an inheritance, maybe they can leave some of it to you.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Have you spoken to the public health nurse, or the staff in the hospital? A friend of mine is going through something similar with her mother. The mother has very advanced dementia and lives at home and they've organised some sort of respite care every now and again to give the family a break. Devoting 100% of your existence to looking after your parents is a mammoth task and if it means you running yourself ragged, you have to explore options and ways to get help. I'm not at that stage myself with my parents so I'm not too well up on exactly what help is out there. Here's a link to the HSEs website on Caring for an Elderly person. There might be something there that might be of some help to you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭iniscealtra


    1. You have sold your house. You should have the funds to build on a granny flat so you can have your own space and have friends/ girls over.
    2. Employ some help for your Mam.
    3. Get a cleaner.
    4. Look into local day Centre/ meas on wheels.

    It’s hard being the only carer but you do seem to love your parents. Get some help.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OP, I know of a number of people of your own vintage in a similar type of scenario, so you are certainly not in a very unusual position. It is nearly always extremely stressful looking after your own parents, especially when one has become demanding or had a change of personality through dementia or any other medical condition. There’s the feeling of isolation, more especially in a rural setting, and hopelessness that the whole situation is likely to get progressively worse. It’s just hard to take.

    I myself was lucky in that whilst my Dad did develop strokes and vascular dementia which went on for years, entirely smoking related, he at least got a place in a HSE nursing home, although it was a seriously depressing place. Ironically he became lucid shortly before his death, it was quite extraordinary the way he asked them not to place a PEG feeding tube “it would be a waste of time, as I’m about to die anyway”. Before that he either rarely spoke or didn’t make any sense when he did. My mum lived on with me in my apartment to age 89, and remained lucid for all her days. She gave me Enduring Power of Attorney so that if she did ever “lose my marbles and become difficult” as she put it, “you can put me in somewhere“. She had sold the family home in Dublin, and gave me (only child) the proceeds to buy my own place. Her strategy to divest assets was to prevent HSE or anyone else grabbing hold for any Fair Deal Scheme.

    I know your situation is quite different, but I do have an appreciation of the frustration of one parent literally losing their marbles and becoming difficult, with the other philosophical but becoming naturally frailer. The feeling that precious years of your active life are flittering away on “duty”, years you won’t get back, is very understandable, and the fact it all falls on your shoulders alone. It is like an entrapment.

    Do get onto HSE for supports, although it’s a postcode lottery as to what you’ll get and you need to fight for it, even going as far as lobbying politicians and making as great a nuisance of yourself as possible. Shouldn’t have to be the case in a well-functioning system as is the case in France & Scandinavia. There must be Facebook & WhatsApp groups now for people in your situation where at least you could vent your frustrations.

    The idea of building a “granny flat” got your own privacy is not a bad one at all and would add value to the house. Inheritance is sadly very important these days, with the housing market the way it is and let nobody tell you it’s selfish to want a roof over your head and security for the future.

    Having companionship with a lady should not be off the cards completely. My advice here would be to go on the apps, show pictures of you being active, doing your engineering work and also being relaxed, to make you a justifiably interesting prospect, along with a bio of your present situation. Eg “Presently I live in my parents’ home as they need my care pending whatever supports I might get, but I would love the enduring friendship of a lady who might understand this situation, and when opportunities arise I would enjoy the company”. This way you mightn’t get a whole lot of hits, but they would be self selecting and not more shallow types. Go for it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Find out who your Public Health Nurse is from your GP - actually the discharge co-ordinator should be onto that already in the hospital. Have a chat with them about what Homecare package your mother will be getting upon discharge. Emphasise the fact that you work full time and are not in a position to become your mother's carer. Your mother may be reluctant at first but don't let that be the reason to not do this. Your mother has dementia which will get worse and it is better to have the care package in place now. You will have to be prepared to fight for every little bit of support but some is available. You could also talk to your PHN re day centres for your mother- her dementia diagnosis will help here.

    Finally, your mother's attitude could actually be a symptom of her dementia., so try to keep that in mind.

    Public Health Nurse, OP. And contact daily if you have to, to get whatever supports are available to both your parents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    My mum fully expects us to care for her and is becoming very entitled, selfish and obstinate


    people with and dementia often exhibit aggressive behavior as a kind of defense mechanism.

    good into there on how to respond appropriately.

    Caring for older people is challenging. dont be the full time carer if your heart isn't in it. some good advice has been given for getting what help is available in the community.



  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,710 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    I completely see where you're coming from OP, completely natural to have these concerns and not to be essentially duty bound into becoming a full time carer for elderly parents. I don't think the harsh comments are in any way warranted either. Financial interests are of course in play, and so they should be.

    I agree with some suggestions on here, get a cleaner, gardener, caterer, set up/automate reminders re heating and tablets. If they complain about you getting "home help" for them, tell them it's not for them it's for you.

    As things progress as they get even older, it might become difficult to withdraw yourself at that stage so I'd free yourself up as much as possible now with 3rd party help and get more as required.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Yea I agree. I think the OPs honesty is refreshing.

    He's speaking aloud the thoughts of many people in this situation.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭screamer


    I’d tell them how you feel. I’d also see if they were willing to sell up their house and go in with you to buy a property that would be better equipped for them and closer to services so that they could get some in home help and you could live your life. A property that would let you and them live together but have separate accommodation would be best, so you’re there but you have your own space, own door etc. you’re an only child so it might be feasible. Life is about compromise and that means no one gets what they want, but they get what works. At the same time, I see my own MIL who has an adult child living at home whom she does everything for, they live there Scott free, and will inherit everything, so my attitude is, well you’re getting it, so earn it, looking after her is their responsibility, and is only paying back the 40+ years of ass wiping she’s done for them.

    I do feel sorry for you, it’s not a good situation and you need to find a compromise that works for you all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Skibunny77


    Your expectation around inheritance is identical to your mother's expectation around care. I'm in healthcare and see this all the time, where adult children expect to benefit from parents assets yet expect parents to manage a lot of their own care without using their own assets. A reminder that our nursing home sector is poorly regulated, Hiqa have been saying this for years and I see it in healthcare. Primetime have done several shows on nursing homes and unsafe care in the last two years, I wouldn't go into one either!

    So your inheritance isn't set in stone, your parents care needs may dictate that the house and their assets are used for their care, care you understandably don't want to entirely provide.

    You need to have difficult conversations with your parents around their expectations and what you can deliver. I suggest you go see a counsellor and really work through the dynamic but you have to challenge existing structures.

    There is an excellent think ahead document you can use for your parents to plan. If there is a social worker in the hospital you could ask them to facilitate a meeting with you and your parents around their care needs to ensure everyones views are heard. Or you could be direct and firm

    'Mum we need to talk about your expectations of me when you come home. I love you and Dad dearly and I want to support you both, but I also want to build my own life, meet someone, travel and have my own interests. I cannot provide all of the care you need. . You have assets to pay for a live in carer or some home care or someone to help with meal prep etc and you need to have a chat with Dad about that. I want you to use your assets throughout your life for whatever care and support you might need. "

    Highlight other older people who they know who use similar supports to live at home.

    At the root of all this is your difficulty in expressing your needs. Go see a counsellor and work through this. I have seen many, many, people in your position who have managed to find solutions -- but thinking of their current assets as your fixed inheritance has to go, inheritance is what is left over after your parents lives have been lived!



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Skibunny77


    Just to say nobody in the hospital can or will force an adult to accept home care or home help. The Assisted Decision Making Capacity Law is coming into effect in April and the days of coercing older people to accept nursing home or home help are thankfully ending. Older people are entitled to make unwise decisions and live with an element of risk in their lives just like the rest of us. Including people with early onset dementia. That is the law.

    So no, you can't pretend a home carer is there for you OP or coerce them into accepting help. You can simply advise them of public and private support options and then make your own choices while leaving them to make their own.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    No one here said the hospital can force anything on anyone OPs mother has had a fall and has a dementia diagnosis. This WILL be taken into account when her discharge date is coming up, ie, is the layout of the house safe or does it need some modification against falls, does she need assistance bathing,cooking, etc, yet?

    If OPs mother has sound decision making abilities still, than SHE needs to make that decision- she can't force OP or her husband to be her carer either. . If OP says they won't take on the role without HH assistance and his mother is assessed as needing that assistance than she can be choosing how things go.i know what I'd be choosing. It won't be long before the wheels fall off that bus and decision time will come round again. How dsgusting to think that people who can't make safe, rational decisions for their future care will soon be put solely in that decision making role. More elder abuse from the HSE and abuse on carers all presented as a human rights issue but clearly a cost effectiveness excercise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Throwaway505


    Hi folks, as a general thing thanks for all the advice, I'm going to reply piecemeal to everyone, but first a quick update.


    Update: My mum came home from hospital yesterday, so the past few days have been a whirlwind of getting a bed ordered for downstairs, temporarily moving another bed downstairs, assembling HSE provided equipment and trips to stores to collect further equipment like wheelchairs. I'm exhausted. She had spent as much time in hospital as they feel she needed and will recover quicker at home - she was miserable with the noise and bustle of the hospital, wasn't eating the (apparently unsettling) hospital food and couldn't bear the other four people in the ward. They did have a phonecall about the house and how suitable it is (it was fine once we physically lifted her in a wheelchair up the 3 or 4 steps - the entire downstairs is flat). But nothing other than that - any home inspection has at least a six week waiting list. As far as the hospital is concerned, its just exercise and pain meds she needs. A comprehensive home care package can just be forgotten about in the short term due to resourcing.


    My dad (76 remember with the tail end of shingles) put a herculean effort into getting the place ready for her but he is now absolutely exhausted beyond words. He is doing all the housework and all the bedding/clothing/wheelchairing/pill-organising help - I am helping out as I can (but desperately trying to set up barriers) but I think he'll struggle quickly. I'm already filling in bits and getting caught with things just so he can sit down for a few minutes. Don't get me wrong, I will help out with the housework, of course I will as I live here, but I do need that barrier between "helping out" and "getting stuck caring". I am being dragged into things already and as much as I love my mother the words she used about helping out really did grate as they were out of the manipulation textbook "You can just do this one little thing for Your Mother".


    Anyway, hopefully it'll only be a month or so before she is back on her feet fully anyway. From what we've heard, HSE community help has a waiting list of many months but the community can come around and put railings etc up. He doesn't want this and is resisting, because he feels they won't put them in right and will snoop around the house. Which means he wants to do it himself, which means I'll have no choice but to help him because he can't cope himself even though he'll say he can. More of my weekends gone as I am not taking time off work to deal with this. I can't anyway, remember I'm in healthcare and its brutal at the moment. 


    He survived ok on his own for the period when she was in, but he was obviously delighted to see me and we ended up talking for a good hour once I got in from work every night. That was fine, although it did mean I got absolutely NOTHING done on work evenings. My own hobbies and administration slipped further.


    As I said I'll go through replies piecemeal but just to give a quick update for now.



    One thing I will address is the inheritance query - it isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned! I'm an only child so the house and savings will come to me anyway. Savings will cover Fair Deal if needed. This has been discussed between me and the folks already. The reason I bring it up is that if I live in the house for the three years before they die and the seven years after they die I don't pay inheritance tax on the house. Thesedays, with rent as it is, its got to be taken into account for sanity reasons. It's hard to stomach spending thousands on rent (regardless of freedoms) and then to have to pay inheritance tax on their property when I could alternatively pay them a peppercorn rent and pay for a few bits here and there, and then not pay inheritance tax on the property. It just doesn't make prudent financial sense and could make the difference between being able to retire very early and not. Things like this have to be thought of and understand that this has been discussed with them and isn't a cash grab on my behalf - I could survive perfectly well either way money-wise. But it is being thought about, at the very least.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Early retirement is very nice… I was kind of forced into it, but at same time happy to have accepted it.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very good latter point, reminiscent of psychiatric care in the community for people suffering from poorly controlled psychosis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    I commend your getting stuck into it all. Many wouldn't.

    But as you know, there's a fine line between helping and caring. For the moment, it seems, you will be living with them, and I would suggest keeping some situations at arm's length, lie if you have to.

    Like the cleaning, yes, you can do it, but you need to suggest that you cannot do it due to extra work (you can slot in an activity here) and employ someone. It won't cost a lot, once or twice a week for 2 hours, hoover, wash toilets, sinks, shower, bath, change sheets, that kind of thing. By removing one thing so simple can be a step towards cutting the cord that has grown while you e lived at home. Of course there'll be moaning and bitching, but ignore, ignore.

    You will, over time, have to loosen their dependence on you, and if it means stretching the truth for them, do. You will feel guilty, but for sanity and reducing the build up of resentment, you need to do it.

    I've been in a similar situation to you, although parents didn't get to live to very elder years. There were days I just sat in the car a few Kms from their house and told them I was doing X. Guilty? Of course, but it did save the resentment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,787 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I have to be honest, I felt a lot of sympathy for you as facing the role of a carer is not something most of us want.

    The extra stress, responsibility etc is not for the faint hearted.

    However any sympathy I had for you , you lost on your update.

    Your focus seems to have shifted to retiring early on the back of your parents hard work and savings, without putting in any extra work yourself.

    I'd love for your parents to see this thread and for them to book a holiday to Vegas and blow the lot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,780 ✭✭✭sporina


    wow - are you on the spectrum OP? your posts seem so cold.. sorry if this is offensive - hope I don't get a ban.. just being honest..

    if you don't wanna help out - why don't you move out?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Skibunny77


    Forcing care on someone who have the capacity to refuse it will be illegal under the new legislation. That isn't disgusting, it has come from years of listening to older people with dementia telling Govt they want to have choices and to live with risk. Safety is simply being physically safe, it is feeling like being an adult.

    Thankfully we now have people with dementia continuing to speak up, to work, to volunteer and to show how a diagnosis doesn't mean they turn into a child overnight. I know people who would rather live a shorter life in their own home than a longer 'safer' life in a nursing home. OPs mother has the right to make unwise choices, she doesn't even have to consent to an assessment of her home/care needs while in hospital..



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My parents had me back in 1961 when my mother was 41 and my Dad 39. It meant they were in their final decade when I was 40. I felt a little bit young to be in a situation of parents being in final years. But it is not at all uncommon, and indeed becoming increasingly so and will be ever more so in coming decades. There will be a helluva lot of 30-40 somethings in this position, and it’s not a great time of life, mid career, to be in that compromise. I can understand OP, though it may come across as self-centred and maybe it is. But he is explaining his inner mind here, not directly how he interacts with his parents.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    I think there have been a few unfair comments made about the op.

    Expressing ones own plans, dreams and wishes for the future doesn't mean he doesn't care or love his folks. A person who is trying to make their own way in life and being pulled back by aging parents and expressing themselves doesn't mean he wishes them harm or rushing them to the grave. It's all borne from frustration I suspect.

    Anyone that is a parent here, if they're honest with themselves, eye rolls and momentarily wishes for peace when their kids are young and jumping in the bed at 5am. It doesn't mean that eyeroll means them harm.

    Letting parents age, fending for themselves just to even have a night out yourself doesn't mean you don't care. It's hard to let go. It's hard to have a clear conscience.



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