So Covid is supposed to have killed 7million people now. How many of them people would have died?

AMKC

How many of them people would have died anyway without Covid and how many should still be alive just going about their lives if Covid had never happened?

I understand its impossible to get accurate data on this but best estimates at least.

Water John

Many would have had underlying issues, but covid wasn't a very pleasant way to die. The second important issue at the time was, overloading of hospital systems. What happened in northern Italy frightened the life out of both politicians and the medics.

I recently lost a youngish relative to covid, so it hasn't totally gone away. You also have the unknown effects of long covid.

accensi0n

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Jim_Hodge

2.6 million.

4.4 million.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

You say it's impossible to get accurate data so where do you think we would get enough information to provide an estimate?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120302966#Comment_120302966

I have no idea. Maybe WHO would have some statistics that could show the possible and likely causes of death from or without Covid.

CPTM

Was clarity ever found over the link to vitimin d by any chance? Many at the time said that vitimin d helped massively to avoid severe illness. But low vitimin d would be typical among people with underlying health conditions because maybe they don't go outside a lot. And it would be higher among young fit and active people because maybe they spend more time in the sun. Just wondering if anyone ever ruled it as correlation as opposed to causation in terms of suffering from the virus.

Water John

How the stats are compiled in different countries make it impossible to have accurate figures. Over one million died in the US if my memory is correct.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120303026#Comment_120303026

So you have started a thread expecting others to do what you say is impossible?

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120303038#Comment_120303038

Some noted that Invermectim (a horse dewormer) mainly showed good results in impoversished areas, in impoverished populations were worm infectation was an issue, and this was the reason it seemed to work, it's didn't do anything for COVID, but improved the general health of the population and made them more resilient to infection. Giving VitD could fall into the same general effect.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

I don't know, but I remember Bergamo in early 2020

Mrs OBumble

All of them would have died, eventually.

I'd guess 90% would have survived another year or two until now

kippy

I personally know two people who would not be dead were it not for COVID. One was elderly but in great health, the other was in their fifties with an underlying condition that hadn't caused them anyway issues to that point.

I know this isn't scientific but I have no doubt those two people at least would still be alive today we're it not for COVID.

I know hundreds more including myself who had the disease and didn't even know we had it to only for antigen tests.

I've no doubt based on personal experience that COVID killed killed people who would otherwise not have died at that time. Particularly the earlier strains of the disease pre vaccines and weakening strains.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

All of them. Everyone's mortal.

Water John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120524687#Comment_120524687

You are in fact incorrect. As the OP postulates, some would still be walking around.

Mrs OBumble

All of them - eventually.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120524846#Comment_120524846

"...How many of them people would have died anyway without Covid.."

They all will.

1) He's really asking is someone dying earlier worth it so others are not inconvenienced.

2) Which will then lead into what about deaths caused by the COVID. Which of course is already answered by 1)

Flinty997

There's no right answer it's subjective and situational.

Flinty997

Knowing life is short people should be living today not doom posting about 3 yrs ago..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

Before posting, did you stop and think to consider how painful and insensitive this thread might be to families who lost someone to covid?

Three years ago this week, was the week with the highest number of deaths per day in Ireland. Many families, are getting through the third anniversaries of those deaths.

The last thing they need, is a thread speculating "would they be dead anyway?" As if that matters.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

Does this really matter? If COVID causes someone to died a few days/weeks/months earlier that they would have, it's still a tragedy for those whom have lost that time with loved ones.

bb1234567

Well 10% had no health problems so a minimum estimate of 700,000 anyway. Some countries such as USA, India, Russia, Brazil also had hundreds of thousands more excess deaths during the COVID waves than the number of covid deaths so in some countries it was underrepresented

Flinty997

Like a snooker ball rebound, change of people's behaviour could have a positive effect just as likely as a negative one. Hindsight is 20:20 vision as they say.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120531234#Comment_120531234

I noticed, for the period that kids were wearing masks in school, nothing of them brought colds/coughs home, and as soon as the masks were gone, everone in the house started to get coughs again.

Maybe it was a coincidence.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120532328#Comment_120532328

No, it's called ditching the fearmongering covid theatre and getting back to normal again.

Flinty997

...and we are back to burning the books...

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058286459/so-covid-is-supposed-to-have-killed-7million-people-now-how-many-of-them-people-would-have-died

I can categorically confirm that ALL of "them people" would have died anyway, regardless of COVID.