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  • 01-03-2023 6:16pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭


    Need some educating please...

    Why is there so much mountain being burned at the moment?

    Do the fire services nomally stand by for this, or are they be called where fires have gotten away on those burning?

    It's kinda difficult to watch, but don't know the first thing about it so forgive the ignorance.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭50HX


    To kill off dead vegetation and promote new growth

    Weather is v suitable at the moment for this



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Absolute disgusting practice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,828 ✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Setting fire to mountains and having the fire services called out?

    This must stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Controlled burning is allowed up to March 1st. It is an old practice of re-establishing fresh growth on hills, especially for sheep.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭alps


    Hopefully say my name might add in....Is there a char formed from the burning? Is this advantageous to fertility and soil build up..or even carbon storage over time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,528 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Saw footage on RTE news.

    Clearly out of control when it was about to burn the fence posts without intervention by fire service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭satstheway


    Very simplistic uninformed view.

    Let it grow ungrazed for a couple of years and then you will see fires but they will be uncontrollable.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most hill have entitlements on their hectares, particularly in this area. Burnt land is ineligible for payment. Farmers are always blamed but imv and to my knowledge, many others have lit fires including firefighters themselves. Uncontrolled fire is arson, which the hard of thinking always blame on the farmer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Jjameson


    Theres a subset of very vocal idiots who belong to the vegan cult that believe in biodiversity above all. However they haven’t the mental capacity to acknowledge that desirable biodiversity needs management. Old scrub is often extremely devoid of life. New growth brings life that benefits a lot more than the sheep. It’s land that’s burned every year I’d assume and probably for as far back as human habitation.

    john Gibbons will be wiping the cheese off his chin and getting his perpetual media interviews educating the public about how virtuous his cult is and how evil these farmers are…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Nothing controlled about the fires I've seen on the hills of kerry over the last few days.

    Valentia lifeguard Station was almost burnt down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Uncontrolled is the issue. Burning would fertilise the ground with the ash. The burning has a role and isn't damaging to the hill itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,532 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Kerry fire crews respond to 56 hill fires in three days

    Hardly sounds very controlled.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Correct. Uncontrolled arson leaves hills here in bad shape for the guts of a decade. It burns fences, livestock, forage and the very ground it grows in. It opens space for invasives like gorse which are fire adapted. A vocal few keep blaming farmers, where is it a farmers interest to burn his entitlements and impoverish his grazing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Jjameson




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,532 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They don't see it that way. And that's just in one County.



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    what's happening in Kerry is a disgrace. Had to travel from Listowel to Tralee tonight and there are active fires visible all over the place, flames, not smouldering grass. The fire service must be running on empty now, no backup for road traffic accidents or house fires (see what happened Wexford Hospital tonight!! If that happened in Kerry there would be no Fire Service available, they're all up the hills!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,528 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Fires from what?

    These were set alight by farmers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Im not a vegan but that’s absolutely rubbish.

    Those fires do damage to wildlife and biodiversity.

    Scrub is not devoid of life, It’s teeming with insects and birdlife.

    You can’t just set whole mountains on fire, this is not natural to Ireland.

    You would swear wildlife couldn’t survive before man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Probably a difference in cool burning and hot burning i.e to ash. There's been some reports in journals of accounting for the pyrolysed carbon. But you have to account for these are 99% probably peat ground and carbon will be stored fire or no fire. But then if no fires are allowed full stop the biomass gets to such a stage that if when a fire does break out most likely in the summer then it could be more serious than a cool burn. But too much burning can lead to no biomass and ground cover and rain erosion and soil loss.

    All a balance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There are people who get their kicks from arson and just set things on fire to see them burn. If land is not managed to reduce the fire risk all that happens is it provides fuel for situations like last summer in Howth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭weisses


    Just get rid of the fukcing sheep and let nature sort itself out ... people who set fire to the hills and let it burn uncontrolled probably have a bit of a screw loose anyway..



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Most of the mountains in Ireland look like moonscapes. We've grown up with them looking like that so most people think that that's just how they are meant to look. That's not their natural condition though. It's a result of overgrazing by goats, sheep and deer (none of which are native to Ireland by the way). The natural condition of those mountains would be to be covered in forest. Our wet and humid climate is ideal for tree growth. However they never get the chance because the saplings are eaten by grazing herbivores as soon as they emerge from the ground.

    Someone mentioned in a post about how the fires are used to "kill off dead vegetation and promote new growth". For the record, dead vegetation takes care of itself. It'll turn into humus and that, in turn, nourishes the soil for the next generation of new growth. This process takes time though and so some people put their thumb on the scales.

    As well as being a potential hazard to humans and structures those fires devastate wildlife, many of which are incinerated every year in these fires. Just because "that's the way it's always been done by people" doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do. It benefits a very narrow group of people and animals at the expense of everyone and everything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    These fires were not managed. They should identify the culprit and impose both a criminal conviction and a fine to recover the cost of firefighters etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    Firefighter in killorgan got caught setting the fires last year, was mad for the overtime,



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Controlled is when you alert the Gardai, the Fire Services, your neighbors and forest owners within a mile, pull firelines to stop the fire spreading and have help on hand to burn.

    I burn 40 acres withing 100 acres of forest, within the burning period and providing the vegetation is dry enough. I do all of the above and there is no issue. When I took over the land it had not been burnt in 20 years with waist high heather. Six weeks after the burn there was an explosion of flowers and bog cotton and fresh heather, and after a few years we noticed the return of the red grouse. The fire burns the dead vegetation and fertilizes the ground. The ground is wet so the peat does not catch fire. The absence of woody vegetation on site makes it easier for raptors to hunt for prey on the mountain.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not true.

    The forests of Scots Pine, hazel and birch and occasional oak were cut down by early farmers, and burned too, and a climate change in which the weather got cooler and wetter promoted moss growth then peat formation. These factors working together helped to denude the hills. Wind regime and temperature change make it impossible to grow oak. The soils have been leached by acidity from the peat so you're left with a very infertile soil.

    It's instructive to stop thinking in the short term about what we want for ourselves....some of these changes are natural...swings and roundabouts and most likely the overall temperatures will rise over the millennia and forests will again grow. Of course one can start them off with birch and rowan and salix.

    it should be noted too that management of ecosystems is important. The recent number of huge forest fires in the Aquitaine region of France, 92% of which is covered in Maritime Pine first planted in the 18th century. It provides a massive forest industry to the region and France. In 2017 a TGV or high-speed train service was inaugurated between Paris and Bordeaux, Capital of Aquitaine. Unfortunately this opened the area up to certain Parisians who like the D4/D6 people had strong opinions on conifers. They decried the planting of pine, and demanded rewilding. Some forest areas post felling were left to nature and to rewild. That meant no human intervention. The result was some of the most devastating wildfires in France, all of which started in the rewilded areas where dead grass and vegetation had accumulated.

    Apologies for the digression.



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