Relics.

wotzgoingon

Do people actually fall for this bullshít. I know the truth and how he had wounds that bled but I will not mention it here but one day you will find out yourself and say what the f**k. They have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years the cowards and they should go back to their own pl****. Anyway I know people will say I'm crazy but you will find out after you pass.

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kneemos

Padre Pio secretly procuring Carbolic Acid to fake his wounds is common knowledge.

Mutually beneficial for all concerned I suppose. The church had a superstar,Pio got to prance about and the proletariat got a saviour.

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192768#Comment_120192768

The really long period between death and funeral day is more a UK thing rather than a protestant thing. The norm for Irish protestants (including the north) would be the usual 3 days.

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192768#Comment_120192768

Sounds more like memorebelia. From what I googled they don't believe in saints,and blasphemous to revere relics.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120194757#Comment_120194757

They stopped bleeding a few hours before he died because he was too weak to inflict the wounds on his hands. He was a chancer and a fake. Worrying church reports claimed he was self flagellating, having sex with women (nothing wrong with that if consensual). A doctor sent by the Vatican to examine his hand injuries concluded that the wounds were probably caused and maintained artificially. He was eventually banned from celebrating mass in public.

One thing you're right about. Padre Pio .. fascinating!

Bilocation!

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195811#Comment_120195811

You're being somewhat simplistic there. They do believe in saints...St. Paul's Cathedral?...they just don't pray to them as Catholics do. They most certainly don't treat relics just as memorabilia and include them in many services and hold them in high regard.

silliussoddius

Isn't it a case that they consider veneration of saints as going against the first and second commandments?

70sdreaming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120194692#Comment_120194692

I have a snippet of his robe I keep between a VHS copy of Clockwork Orange and a copy of Stephen King's Cujo.I know it's not a holy relic but more of a historic one,much like what it's sandwiched between.Certian folk are so desperate for miracles they will convince themselves with anything deemed a relic.Like the interviews of some people over St.Brigid.

70sdreaming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120194751#Comment_120194751

But aren't we instructed in the Bible what prayer to recite to reach God?To me the saints are just middlemen so why not pray to the source?

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195747#Comment_120195747

From my experience, the UK authorities actually want a death certificate before the funeral. Touchy, I know

Jim_Hodge

I have three in the house. One in a crucifix with a screw fitting in the top that allows it open and two each inside ornate metal and glass containers about the circumference of a €2 coin. Each has a certificate in Latin from the Vatican dated in the 50s. I've no idea what they are relics of and just keep them as curios and because they belonged to my parents.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120198572#Comment_120198572

Doctors sign a form here as far as I know. They certainly do before cremation lest someone try to dispose of evidence of foul play.

The official death cert can be obtained then for probate etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195861#Comment_120195861

Astral projection is well known about those who practice the occult.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199043#Comment_120199043

"Those who practice the occult" Otherwise known as spoofers.

HOLD ON... IS THAT YOU BEHIND ME?? Oh no, it's my neighbours dog I'm minding. Sneaky lurcher.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199697#Comment_120199697

Mocking what you don't understand.. Classy🤣

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199787#Comment_120199787

I understand knowledge of the measurable.

If you understand astral projection I implore you, in fact I challenge you to visit my kitchen at 10am and I'll cook you a 5oz seasoned fillet steak with a fried egg on top with some tobasco sauce and a cup of excellent coffee.

Will you do it? I'll PM you my address at 9am if you're willing to astral project yourself.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199812#Comment_120199812

Jesus I’d nearly go for that myself, but knowing my luck I’d end up buried in a wall and become a relic of an entirely different sort 😂

John_Rambo

Game on. @SouthWesterly are you willing to astral project yourself to my kitchen tomorrow?

Let me know and I'll send you my eircode, send me a PM now and I'll reply, you're online engaging now...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199831#Comment_120199831

drop it.

Count Dracula

I think it is a bit lazy to dismiss religion or any of its surroundings.

People sometimes fail to rationalise the birth of Christianity and how it evolved. It did not grow to the volume of 1 Billion believers overnight.

Personally I don't believe in organised religion per se. But I would have faith in the diligence and message which any of the well over 3000 forms of organised worship are trying to offer people? We have seen in our own country how divisive spirituality can become. I choose to not put my absolute faith in any one particular belief, but I refuse to cast aspersions on any. I might add that my reluctance to ridicule someone else's belief system, based on my own belief is not something my soul could entertain.... that is why I don't do it .. and not because I am living in fear of the almighty either.

But I 100% believe that something is occurring and developed to allow us to experience our own existence, what a gift and how lucky we are. If it transpires that it was the work of an almighty power then I am more than happy to lend that power my time and thoughts. I am certainly not worthy to not discover what it might be and I firmly believe that something goes on. It works in very strange ways and regrettably most organised religions have accumulated much opposition and more than likely it is not without rationale.

On the matter of relics, I think their symbolism is often construed as some sort of a patronising hoax, duping millions of god fearing people, who are simultaneously accused of having incredulous belief or faith? I would preferto spend the rest of my life learning about how I might understand other faiths, whilst also respecting my own.

Iconography was a standard form of communication long before people even had paper to write on or record things. Religion was passed on through word of mouth. So sturdy figurines not only existed, but they existed to spread the word. That is how it spread initially, via Chines eWhispers throughout the globe, influencing and delivering its' message to those who may not be aware ,to give them support and hope during their life?

Don't forget that without those very same people we would not even exist to contemplate or ridicule in the first place? Everything that you witness, believe or conceive was gifted to us by our predecessors. I simply could not disrespect my makers, by taking the notion that they were naive to believe in such and such, I owe them too much for that.

I have not been able to face a cross since I became a Vampire, over 1,500 years ago. That equates to many lifetimes of belief. It is a simple cross made from 2 pieces of wood bound by string. It has survived for over 2000 years as the original message and symbol and identifier of the Christian faith. It will be here long after you mortals are. Yet you scoff its' existence?

I must go, I sense the sun is rising.

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199971#Comment_120199971

I'm down with basic tenets of religion,all good advice. It's the bullshoite dogma where they all fall down. Wear headscarves, don't eat meat on Friday,pray feverishly to this bit of dead body it can heal cancer from ten metres.

No wonder they're losing the room in the 21'st century,all of this belongs in the dark ages.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199880#Comment_120199880

Ah well... SouthWesterly was a no show Zelda Crooked Skepticism. It's ten past nine and they didn't astral project themselves to my kitchen for the 5oz steak with a fried egg on top.

Graces7

Not sure if it has been mentioned but a widow used to be described as he r late husband's " relic".. It has a totally different connotation and meaning in the context than is being applied in this thread. Simply that which is left behind by someone.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195811#Comment_120195811

Do Catholics pray to relics kneemos? Don’t look it up now just answer. Do Catholics pray to Our Lady and Saints and relics in the best of your knowledge of Catholicism ?

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120201764#Comment_120201764

Definitely pray to saint for all kinds of specific purposes. A lot of them seem to have specialities.

I imagine if there's a relic of Pio for example on tour they pray to him etc.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120200083#Comment_120200083

"Wear headscarves, don't eat meat on Friday,pray feverishly to this bit of dead body it can heal cancer from ten metres." Not all religions are like that.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120201788#Comment_120201788

No they don’t pray to saints kneemos and they don’t worship saints. Catholics worship God. They ask saints, through prayer, to intercede for them to God. Saints are in the presence of God.

So, traditionally, if you lost your passport an hour before you were due to leave for the airport you would ask St Anthony to ask God to help you find your passport.

St Jude is the patron saint of hopeless cases etc. It’s praying THROUGH Saints not TO saints.

see below from Wikipedia

Intercession of the Saints is a Christian doctrine held by the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East and Catholic churches. The practice of praying through saints can be found in Christian writings from the 3rd century onward.[2][3][4] The 4th-century Apostles' Creed states belief in the communion of Saints, which certain Christian churches interpret as supporting the intercession of saints. However, similar practices are controversial in Judaism, Islam, and Protestantism.

Sephiroth_dude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120200199#Comment_120200199

You obviously can't follow a simple mod instruction. Do not post in here again.

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120201824#Comment_120201824

Bit pedantic. I imagine most Catholics believe they're praying to a saint.