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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 6/3/23*



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭ francois

    How many refugee threads can we cram into IMHO?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭ jam_mac_jam

    Why don't you aim for a unicorn and three wishes for everyone. It's about as likely.

    Nobody is going to support a no refugees policy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭ Yellow_Fern

    No. Id argue through Brexit they did try to be the best boys in the class. FG pushed the Single Market as if it was sacred entity whose enforcement (checks) could not be changed to suit our complex border situation. Ireland's hard line on the Single Market has led to a radicalisation of the Tories preventing Britain from returning, and for what purpose? Was the Single Market really under threat and if so why are we making concessions allowing a light touch approach to checks now?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭ Count Dracula

    Why because the price of ice cream is costing you a good night's sleep?

    There is room for another 2 million people in this island, at the very least?

    What is the problem with supporting people from other lands or places. What is so wrong with that?

    I think your concept that everyone is having them in their houses is naive. The reason why RTE showed for example Ukrainian nationals being housed by Irish volunteers is that it was part of a wider campaign to encourage homeowners to give their houses and properties over. It is called propaganda.

    Media raising the issue of overcrowding has the advantage of not only raising public awareness about what is actually happening with refugees in Ireland whilst enabling gormless fascist cretins to be analysed, sub divided and then manipulated by global web platforms, that know where you live, all your bank details, what type of sex you are really into and how often you spend online spouting indecipherable sentences of garbage, which you feel might escalate your polarised over influenced opinion into something that actually matters?

    There are worse problems than accommodating people in temporary dwellings whilst they figure out what they are doing? Refugees need amnesty and assistance. When an enemy you don't even understand comes and burns your house down after raping your wives and daughters and laughing at you running away up the street you might have a different focus on how important it is that people who are suffering under perilous regimes and other chaos have the potential to live a life somewhere away from that mayhem. Where ever it is.

    Help is available and being offered, I am proud of that and especially proud of the people enabling these options for those who are lost, alone and lonely in a country a long long way from their homes and loved ones. Fair play to them.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭ dublin49

    40% of the refugees arriving have no passport and so the simplistic "send them back" doesn't apply,as we don't know where to send them back to and good luck trying to get Italy or Greece to take em back because that was the safe country they came from. .Theres a simple answer to this but also a practically insurmountable problem.Answer: all Airlines/Shipping lines bringing customers into Ireland must provide a photocopy of the Passport that allowed the customer to travel with their company.Problem,airlines or Shipping lines wont play ball and will threaten to stop flying into Ireland if we try to introduce this.I think we will eventually see a version of this but expect massive resistance initially.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,072 ✭✭✭✭ Galwayguy35

    So what about the ones who show up with no passports?

    What do you want to do with them ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,527 ✭✭✭✭ Spanish Eyes

    I did have a wry smile when I saw O'Gs tweet to would be asylum seekers, not verbatim but along the lines of "We have no accommodation, so if you are currently in a place of safety please stay there"

    Now would someone please tell me how someone other than an economic migrant would leave a "place of safety" to come to Ireland under International Protection. Protection from what I wonder?

    Regarding our International obligations, I am not in the loop about the legalities of the 1951 declaration, but we as a country are contributing a huge whack of cash under the International Aid Program to many of the countries from which we are taking in asylum seekers. What is going on, is International Aid money from all over the globe not helping these countries sort themselves out or what? Maybe another flippin scandal waiting to break.

    So there we are on a Friday Night. Enjoy the weekend.

  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭ Count Dracula

    I suppose the best thing to do is to either help them get one.... or turn them away?

    Assuming someone arriving without a passport is going to rob your sweets is not really seeing the big picture?

    Plenty of criminals here already getting away with murder, I can't see how a few more can make things any worse?

    Passports are kind of the modern equivalent of tattooing medieval slaves with solder irons.

    This is not your country, you just live here and pay your taxes towards it? Regimes change, so will Ireland.

  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭ Count Dracula

    I don't have to help anyone if I am being honest. I am not a bad person for not helping either.

    But cranking, bitching and wining about the help... and not doing anything to help?

    How is it affecting your life?

    I really cannot understand people who take umption with other people receiving support, it is worse than dogs fighting over a bowl at din dins?

    The lack of compassion is staggering, and that is coming from an immortal vampire lord, who has lived as a blood sucking parasite since the 4th century?

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,487 ✭✭✭✭ Akrasia

    Currently at pretty much full employment while still retaining access to EU migrant workers

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,487 ✭✭✭✭ Akrasia

    Cause his country is being systemically starved and bombed into oblivion by the Saudi's

    Maybe instead of punishing these children and very young adults from running away from a war, we should put pressure on the USA for arming the Saudi army so they can bomb poor Yemeni civilians

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,487 ✭✭✭✭ Akrasia

    Don't be ridiculous. We have a huge budget surplus. A few billion euros of state investment to build social housing would solve our housing crisis. Also some regulations on foreign ownership of property would prevent foreign hedge funds from buying up irish property for investment purposes.

    It's not the refugees that have caused this problem. Refugees have been extremely beneficial to the Irish economy. We're lucky to have them here. The parasites are then bankers and 'investors' who sit on assets and extract economic rent from the irish economy

    (if you don't know what 'economic rent' is, look it up)