Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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I'm a bit late to the party but I see there's now 70 tents on both sides of the Grand Canal in Dublin.

slow clap Government, slow clap

How the **** can this blight of tents continue in our capital. When is enough a enough? When does the government declare a national emergency and stop this chaos.

Where is Ireland's deterrent?

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100793#Comment_122100793

You are a conspiracy theorist as you believe a particular conspiracy is happening behind the scenes. Doesn't mean you are wrong, just that its only a theory at the moment. And who are you referring to as peasants?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100798#Comment_122100798

There is no objectivity or logic applied by a very smalll minority of posters who post like they are part of a secondary school debating society who must argue the side they have been assigned regardless if it goes against all logic or reason. You all know who I'm talking about.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100809#Comment_122100809

100%, but there seems to be an idea going around that Irish government (and even the opposition) have somehow 'caused' the asylum seeker crisis and are responsible for all the asylum claims. In truth, every country in Europe is having to deal with the major challenge of this at the moment.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100226#Comment_122100226

The fact remains you are completely wrong. Over 4696 people were returned or deported from Ireland in 2023.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-11-28/411/

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100838#Comment_122100838

The argument is less that the State’s asylum policies have resulted in an increase in migration entirely absent in other EU Member States, than that the State’s asylum policies have resulted in an increase in migration disproportionate to other EU Member States. Asylum applications in the EU increased 50% from 2021 to 2022, in Ireland they increased 400% from 2021 to 2022. Compared with pre-COVID figures, there was a 34% increase in asylum applications in the EU between 2019 and 2022, there was a 186% increase in Ireland. 

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100781#Comment_122100781

According to the Dutch report, non-western migration represents a net expense to the exchequer around 1.7% of GDP, a Government report in Denmark found that non-western immigration represented a net expense to the exchequer of around 1.4% of GDP. Recognising a certain degree of caution for non-peer reviewed papers, I’d be interested in your criticism of the content of the paper.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122099390#Comment_122099390

How would they rack up the credits if they haven’t been working here?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100817#Comment_122100817

That would be the average citizens who are seen as something between an inconvenience and irritant depending on the situation and the point in the electoral cycle.

In this case it refers to the patronising and insulting notion (as pushed by certain politicians, media outlets, and social media types) that anyone expressing concerns on this topic is either one step removed from being a fascist Nazi, or just gullible and easily led by the "far right" - because, as the likes of McEntee live in social media apps and mistake the polarised ranting for reality, they think that the rest of us care what some randomer with a Twitter account says to the point of taking action.

Of course, there are some who fit that description but they're a tiny minority, or they're antisocial criminal elements using the issue to cause trouble regardless, but again a very very small number vs the whole.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100843#Comment_122100843

You're outright wrong

It actually says in the paragraph above the tables refused leave to land does not perclude one from claiming international protection and she actually doesn't answer the deportation question at all

Further she deflects by only producing figures for Dublin

Now as always my interpretation may be incorrect but you'll have to show it to me in the policy you're relying on otherwise your supposition is without foundation and you better go sit down and consider a change of plee

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100812#Comment_122100812

They are sat at home with the 6 kids and grandparents waiting for the Ryanair tickets to come through the letterbox.In some cases maybe 3 or 4 wives.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100838#Comment_122100838

they haven't caused it, but up until this week they haven't even acknowledged there's a problem. Taking thousands of hotel rooms out of the system, putting up portacabins and tents on numerous sites around the country, yet they still won't admit the country is at capacity and we have a major problem on our hands.

Rather than listen to the concerns of communities around the country, they rather paint us as far right and bulldoze their polices into areas. Normal citizens who have no voice, and basically told, tough, like it or lump it, because its happening and there is nothing you can do about it.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100876#Comment_122100876

I don't think I've seen anyone called a peasant in real life or online. It would suggest someone from a rural area for one thing. I can think the immigration policy is one of those cases of attributing as malice that is actually a result of incompetence

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100843#Comment_122100843

evening minister for justice who hasn’t a clue about the numbers of forced deportations .the government have admitted they have no idea who is here illegally and shouldn’t be

.Donegal.

I see Denmark mentioned as a country to follow as they like us can abstain from the EU migrant pact. The current government in Denmark is left of centre and a member of the Party of European socialists.

Can anyone explain to me in detail what is Denmark’s asylum policy? What are they doing that we are not? Could their policies work as well here?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100885#Comment_122100885

It's fundamentally referring to the idea that the public need to be told what to do or believe on an issue that characterises this Government and FG in particular.

There is an arrogance that we need to be guided by our "betters" or need their validation or approval that extends into how our politicians engage at EU level.

It's also why there's such indignant outrage when they get a dose of reality, such as with the recent referendum results.

hamburgham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100745#Comment_122100745

O’Gorman is at the coalface and no doubt knows the full extent of what is really going on. I bet the scale of it all is far higher than the official figures. I think he was quite idealistic at the start but now that he knows the reality, maybe he’s become disillusioned. Also fed up that he was left to deal with it all on his own. I wonder is he horrified by his earlier intention to offer them all own door accommodation.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100883#Comment_122100883

from what i've seen the only people being called far right are the usual suspect agitators who show up at these protests with their ireland for the irish and irish lives matters posters, i would consider the messages on those posters to be pretty right leaning tbh, and the people setting buildings on fire.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100862#Comment_122100862

They don't need credits for dole

Absolutely. It doesn't say anything of the sort claimed. In 2011 4000 people were deported or removed. People "refused entry" in 2022 were not on the majority removed despite the fiction the usual suspects attempt to create. That's the difference.

fran38

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100812#Comment_122100812

Laughing their **** arses off at the Irish. That's where.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100780#Comment_122100780

excellent post as always and like the rest of us branded as the big bad “far right” can see with our own eyes the change in our towns and villages.

Turned on that clown Brendan O’Connor show today after listening to Ivan Yates calling it out on path to power pod and it was the same old bs from rte.his feigning of no knowledge of Green Party minister gorman’s tweets of welcome and milk and honey was just incredible

The public are angry

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100911#Comment_122100911

I doubt it. He's a Green Party TD who are a one issue party and who have demonstrated again (as they did last time they were let at the controls) that they have no idea of how their fantasy idealism and ideologically driven ideas could work in the real world.

Catherine Martin and her handling of the RTE mess is another example of this.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100860#Comment_122100860

You lot and your 'Dutch report' 🤣🤣🤣

Basically the 'research' of a couple of Dutch racists published on their own website.

I'm calling them racists based on the content of their 'research' and the fact that the only group 'peer reviewing' them are Mankind Quarterly.

From their wiki page

Mankind Quarterly is a journal that has been described as a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment", a "white supremacist journal",[1][2] and "a pseudo-scholarly outlet for promoting racial inequality".[3][4][5][6][7] It covers physical and cultural anthropology, including human evolution, intelligence, ethnography, linguistics, mythology, archaeology, and biology. It is published by the Ulster Institute for Social Research, which was presided over by Richard Lynn until his death in 2023.

For anyone unfamiliar Richard Lynn was an Ulster academic whose own 'research' focused on 'scientific' measurements of how the Irish are less intelligent than other European 'races'

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100883#Comment_122100883

They should definitely be criticised for how slowly they have responded to the crisis and for using hotels to accommodate them.

Having said that, some of the protests at least been out of order. That place Crooksling for example is up in the Dublin mountains in the middle of nowhere and with no houses nearby.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100912#Comment_122100912

don't be so niave, anyone who protested against an ipa centre in their community has been called far right somewhere along the way. From ministers to internet trolls, the abuse has been whole scale. Even going as far as contacting people's employers to say such an such was at a protest or commented on social media post. We are in a horrible place in this country at present.

irishproduce

The sindo must have worked really hard to find a picture that wasn't a load of African lads for this headline

It does raise the question how a woman was there? I thought it was all men camped outside since city west for reserved for women and kids. I'm actually shocked to see a woman and kids were tented on mouth street. Unless now the sindo need to issue an apology in next weeks paper that the photo used was a lie and out of context of someone who wasn't tented on Mount St

willyvanilla

I firmly believe that at some point in the not too distant future, this whole fiasco in Ireland and elsewhere will become known as a bang up to date form of corporate colonialism.

Powerful multinational entity chooses stable established nation to land in to maximise profits, based on how placable and manipulated the nation presents itself. Suckers, in other words, is what they want

Soon after follows the relaxed laizzez faire attitude to mass migration, prolonged propaganda about how "its really great for your society, swear to god", followed in short course by deepening infrastructural problems, weakened states of identity via cultural "war", political extremism, destabilisation, escalating inequality, asset buyouts, vulture-like groups picking the corpse from many country's away, and so forth.

Once the society has been sucked dry of profit making ability, the multinational entities will look for the next bunch of suckers and bow out. Needless to say, you wouldn't want to be living in the aftermath.

We haven't reached the end point yet, but looking at the fortunes being made at the expense of a previously healthy and stable Ireland, what can only be described as wanton banditry in some cases, the jumping ship phase is probably going to happen within the next decade.

Every single "disaster" and "crisis" in this country has someone somewhere either saving billions or making billions. That's all its about.

https://www.leefang.com/p/american-corporations-help-fuel-mass

Somewhat interesting article there on how these large corporations absolutely LOVE mass migration, wage depression and such, and they don't care whether its legal or not. Meanwhile, the politicians have their back and will provide, out of the goodness of their hearts, I'm sure!

That government 2040 plan was basically a bat signal to every parasitic group on earth to descend on Ireland, "the party is over here".

Its a switcheroo like never before seen. The "left" are the cheerleaders of this, for precisely all the wrong reasons. Meanwhile the "right", as far as it seems, are the ones throwing a wobbler about it. Strange days.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100930#Comment_122100930

A review from a questionable journal invalidates the report itself? I’m doubtful of that, regardless, the Danish Government commissioned a report with findings that reflect the Dutch report, with that in mind, I’d be interested in the objection to the content of the report itself, or of the Danish report instead.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100930#Comment_122100930

Address the oireachtas figures then instead of gaslighting, nobody referenced mankind only you, you've not sought to disagree with the content only attack the authors, very big tobacco-esque