Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Lotus Flower

Mount street is really getting out of hand now. There are tents on the street across the road too

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077930#Comment_122077930

"It just goes to show we can't have our cake and eat it on the border."

Fudge rarely works.

ujjjjjjjjj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077930#Comment_122077930

EU knew due to the Good Friday Agreement the border had to stay open so it was never an issue. They just used it as a wedge in the Brexit negotiations to create as much sh1t as possible. Absolutely let me be clear Brexit was a pain in the arse for Ireland but we had to approach it entirely differently to the rest of the EU simply because we share the border and the CTA. But I fear our kneejerk reaction to Britain has caused us issues as our relationship is damaged. Ireland could have played a more conciliatory partnership approach with Britain and it would have served our interests better long term. Might not have been as much fun but there is a price for fun.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077886#Comment_122077886

Spot on @Cluedo Monopoly .. This part "the migration to Europe is only going to escalate over the coming decades"

This is something not mentioned here or elsewhere - Mass migration to North world wide is only getting started, especially with the equator regions and med regions hitting 45/50deg+ for long periods. These are temps no human can biologically sustain or live in.

Add wars like Ukraine if Russia successfull .. thats another 30m/40m+ migrants heading west. If Putin goes futher then this figure seriously grows.

My point here is we - Ireland, the EU - have to be proactive in how to handle this .. enough of this after the fact reactive type thing.

dublin49

we should state categorically that any applicant that arrives from the North will not be allowed to seek Asylum and send them back to Belfast in a Taxi the way they are arriving.

Aurelian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077964#Comment_122077964

How was the EU giving a part of the UK unprecedented and unparalleled access to the single market throwing sh1t? And loosening the integrity of the same.

And why was the EU so automatically bound to the Good Friday agreement if the UK weren't? I don't know where you were those years if you think it was "never an issue".

This seems like a bizarre brexiter argument that the EU and Ireland were acting in bad faith but the UK wasn't.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077947#Comment_122077947

It will spread around the city center and all the damage and rows that will create. When it was obvious we had lost control and our system was overwhelmed we should have unashamedly closed the country to all asylum seekers so we could get our house in order. We didn't. Best boys and all that.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077976#Comment_122077976

I said the exact same thing months ago on this thread and I was called a far lefty pinky snowflake or some such. The numbers arriving now are minuscule in comparison of what will come. The EU may well break up as a result. We might take climate change a bit more serious then but it will be too late. The projections are scary.

kabakuyu

Rwanda doing well out of this, they get all the money but no AS whereas we get all the AS but no money.Poor paddy gets shafted again.

aidanodr

Interesting one earlier on RTE News at 1. A Northern Irish legal / political contributor ( forgot the name ) was on. He said that with the GFA in place and other recent agreements around NI and the EU etc Sunaks Rwanda law does NOT apply there. So if migrants end up in NI they cannot be flown to Rwanda unlike rest of UK.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077934#Comment_122077934

Can't do weekends sorry, I'm too busy being woke and offended by everything.

I remember hearing a lot on these threads a few months back that all we needed was better passport control at Dublin airport. You don't hear too much about that these days do you?

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077910#Comment_122077910

So what we should have rolled over and had a hard border? And how exactly would that have now stopped people travelling from Britain to Belfast or larne unimpeded and crossing any field along almost 500km of border? I’m all ears.

I’m dumbfounded how so many people on this thread think a hard border would make any difference. Clueless

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077886#Comment_122077886

We're not an island.

We share an incredibly porous land border with another jurisdiction.

That's the problem.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078044#Comment_122078044

And UK share a very porous sea border with France and other EU countries.

slay55

what has actually changed ? Government should be excited and happy. More poor unfortunates to help and provide for.

remember, these are all escaping war and persecution- we can’t not help.

Ireland has a large land mass that is not populated

We emigrated to other countries in times of hardship

st Patrick was an immigrant

more doctors and engineers etc

I’d have thought the Irish government would be only to willing to help the U.K.

ujjjjjjjjj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077993#Comment_122077993

I think what you have to understand is Brexit ended up with Britain and the EU both acting in bad faith and we got caught in the middle. Brexit was a pain for the EU and Ireland but a reality- the Tories wanted a harder Brexit for their own internal politics and the EU wanted to make the entire thing as tricky and awkward as possible to discourage other leavers.The EU knew the border had to stay open but we fell for feeling obligated to them for allowing it to stay open. GFA and CTA predated Brexit and were always going to be adhered to as you can't exit out of either leaving the border open regardless of what the EU wanted.

It's just a case of political reality which we missed. Ireland was never going to change the Brexit vote so we were better working with the UK and acting as a go between. Have always believed that , purely for servicing Irish interests best, uncomfortable as it may be.

aidanodr

Just on Drivetime now - barry ward i think. Up to LAST YEAR international protection people were NOT being asked through a questionaire how they arrived here. The dept were never collecting this info

So up to recently we havent a clue and never will. So this is where the 80% figure is coming from, its only from recent figures where the Q is now asked.

ujjjjjjjjj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078042#Comment_122078042

Nope hard border impossible due to CTA and GFA. We were just stupid enough to think we got this as a concession from the EU. It was never a possibility.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078049#Comment_122078049

You seem to be undermining your own point.

dmakc

One positive out of all this, it seems the nation has finally admitted that we don't want these chancers.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/drkevinbyrne/status/1784861069497811091

Jim O'Callaghan TD saying he has been told by businesses in the area that they will have to close down.

suvigirl

Unsurprisingly, this thread has gone into complete hysterics. You would think there were 1500 longboats on the way here with a million Vikings ready to pillage, plunder and rape. It's getting ridiculous and allowing more extreme elements to add to the conversation.

they say 80% of asylum seekers enter through NI, maybe that will increase, maybe it won't. But it won't be because of a fear of Rwanda, it will be because the courts have declared that persons cannot be sent back to the UK as it's unsafe.

All that needs to happen, is if someone arrived here having been in the UK, then decide their claims within a month. If denied, for whatever reason, start their relocation quickly with assistance back to their home country, if possible.

There is no massive 'invasion' People would want to calm down.

Government need to start sitting out issues in this country, housing health etc.

SuperBowserWorld

Looks like Electric Picnic will be even earlier this year and in Merrion Square. Right in front of government buildings.

TRANQUILLO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078103#Comment_122078103

headlined by the Fugees.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077986#Comment_122077986

the EU needs to wave the white flag and state and state the only asylum applicants considered will need to be processed at source. However well intentioned the concept was it’s not worked for in practical reality.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078099#Comment_122078099

Are you proposing to suspend the planning process and dramatically lower building standards to get homes built?

Even then it still take years to build homes.

The situation is not recoverable as it stands. The dam has burst. We can not physically build accomodation quick enough even if we threw the kitchen sink at it to accommodate those currently in tents and all those adding to it every week.

We are at the end of the road. The government will have no choice but to act soon.

SuperBowserWorld

We just need to play Natan Carter out loud on a national tannoy system until they go back to the UK mainland. And they can bring Natan with them.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078085#Comment_122078085

considering last week the government used force to show Irish citizens that they have no choice regarding accommodation locations then the government should have used force to make sure the visitors didn’t leave crooksling too.

Fair’s fair.

Patrick2010

Good article in yesterday’s Sunday times featured interviews with a number of recent arrivals staying in tents, all said they came to Ireland from England because of Rwanda. One lad was from Jordan, others from Afghanistan, all had been in England for some time.

Numbers are only going to increase, time for the government to act and dismantle this camp in our capital city. Setup a campsite outside the city with showers and toilet facilities. Fast track their applications and if declined cut off all payments, it’s likely many will take their chances back in Britain

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078099#Comment_122078099

Invasion of the sea peoples mk 2, will be be the modern Minoan or Egyptian civilisation.