Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260552#Comment_120260552

You are only going to get the most hardened people who don't care about their reputation at anti migration protests because the media have painted those with concerns as racists. No one reasonable wants to be called that.

The real feelings of people going forward will be expressed in polls and at the ballot box. Up to now, groups that have failed at elections may now start to see progress and some success. Especially if a party with a respectable face emerges, which I suspect will.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261050#Comment_120261050

At least it's woken people up to the grotesque NGO charade. If you're wondering why a country with no meaningful defense budget and tens of billions of excess corporation revenues still has wretched and depleted public services, look no further than at that list of NGOs to see where all the money is going.

BoxcarWilliam99

Masi - Movement of Asylum seekers in Ireland marched yesterday. A movement who call for an end to all deportations. No matter the case or reason.

PBP call for Europe to open its borders and take every single person who wants to come as western imperialism caused all of the problems in the developing world.

ROSA was another group in attendance. Self described as "international socialist feminists " who " want capitalism abolished because it is a system that uses and produces gender oppression and hetronormality"

These aren't everyday real people. And they are funded from my and your taxes.

Bonkers

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261295#Comment_120261295

Ah so you are going to claim nothing has happened there at all. Got it. You lived in Malmo and are feigning ignorance - that clearly shows you are not even remotely honest so not worth talking to!

I'm not going to bother countering this because 5 minutes on Google will answer this and the current Swedish government will straight up tell you. It took me about 2 seconds to find a headline saying that bombs and shootings are now part of life in Malmo due to gang violence in the 'vulnerable areas' they filled with refugees. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

But that's all right wing fantasy I'm sure!

cajonlardo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260972#Comment_120260972

You have to be on some kind of wind up?

Love conquer hate?

A convicted Murderer, A Fundraiser for the Provos and others with murderous terrorism connections on a stage to lecture us on how we must do better.

Cringefest.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261327#Comment_120261327

Where can I see how much tax payer money is going to MASI?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260398#Comment_120260398

How dare an NGO founded for refugee civil rights help refugees defend their civil rights. The Irish govt should be ashamed of themselves for being duped into finding an Irish refugee civil rights group that actually supports that mission.

🤥

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260092#Comment_120260092

Gosh Irish people will find these posts all sorts of funny until a Charlottesville event happens in Ireland.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261245#Comment_120261245

That's simply because no alternative credible politicians exist yet. The political system has even been self congratulatory in recent weeks in how they have all sung from the same hymn sheet on this for years.

If a political party espousing control rather than hate emerges - maybe something like the PD's or an Aontu that is non religious, they may do reasonably well. And even then it's at least two electoral cycles away before they become a threat to the big parties.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260792#Comment_120260792

The "elderly lady" is associated with the "Tallaght Intercultural Drop-in Centre" so (again) is no innocent bystander, and presumably has years of history at the public trough.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261326#Comment_120261326

Can you provide that list of NGOs? Genuinely interested.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260469#Comment_120260469

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260577#Comment_120260577

You’d probably regard “the right immigrant” as “too woke” no?

I mean heck in the right type of migrant - degree, masters, engineering. Why would I move to where there’s a shower of racist or xenophobic sentiments from the religiously anti-woke brigade?

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261345#Comment_120261345

No, I'm going to point out that the government were happy to clap themselves on the back while making no effort to integrate the people who arrived. They built high rise ghettos with absolutely minimal investment and just left them there, cops were basically told it was a no go area.

Despite all that, there's been no verified proof that there's been a spike in immigrant crime (crime was actually down in Malmo a few years ago)

If you treat people like animals and lock them in a cage, you don't get the moral high ground.

Even the current government admit they haven't done enough to help integrate immigrants, you've ninja edited to include an article supporting that.....

But I have no faith in the Irish government learning from somewhere elses mistakes. (Or indeed their own)

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261256#Comment_120261256

You make it sound like the Irish government has no choice but to accept people fleeing from future climate change chaos ?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120260792#Comment_120260792

Maybe that elderly woman has been helping refugees out since the end of WW2? You don’t know?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261256#Comment_120261256

Also, it's much easier for people to move around the globe than even 30 years ago. Trying to revert to the 'norm' in Ireland of 40 or 50 years ago, when there was virtually no immigration or acceptance of refugees is a bit pointless.

Also, Ireland is a very 'internationalist' type country, which again makes the idea of trying to severely reduce immigration a not particularly good idea. By internationalist, I mean very high levels of foreign direct investment, huge levels of inward and outbound tourism, an export led economy (unlike our neighbours GB) etc. Dublin Airport is the 15th busiest airport in all of Europe and close to the top 10. Trying to impose "closed borders" on a country like this is a recipe for trouble.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261477#Comment_120261477

No I didn't really. They will come regardless. How they are managed is another thing entirely.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261278#Comment_120261278

Because you told them to. Read your question again. Not a good attempt at a gotcha.

“Do you support illegal immigrants from countries with backwards views towards women and where sexual assault is more frequent than ireland.

“Allowing these illegals into Ireland increases risk for irish women.

“If your answer is yes then we can agree you care more about illegal immigrants than the safety of women.

A simple yes or no will do.”

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261326#Comment_120261326

What does the defense budget do with anything? Ireland is not under any military threat. And defunding health and education NGOs just for a new set of old fighter jets from Europe or the US will do what exactly? You gonna shoot down a plane if the fighter pilot sees a lad rip up his passport in the toilet?

bertieinexile

New Sunday Times/Behaviour & Attitudes poll out today

Last one was a month ago, conducted up to the middle of January.

Since then Varadkar has called for

“more appropriate and more robust border controls”

said “we need to be fair, firm and hard... We also need to be firm with people who come to Ireland with a false story or false pretense. We need to be firm with them and say that we are going to make a quick decision on your application and that we will return you to your country of origin, people expect that.”

" It’s important that we have robust systems in place to make sure that we welcome those who are genuinely fleeing war and oppression and return those who are not.”

Did that hurt him? No it did not.

In the space of those two polls FG support has risen 4%.

SF are down 3% and FF down 1%.

Early days.

Talking to the other side at the protest yesterday and asking them where they thought the momentum of our local protests and the changing mood in the country should go, they all seemed to have the one answer - direct it against the government.

In my opinion we should do the opposite. It also seems the more natural channel for things to take. We should be pushing on what seems like an open door with FG, and presumably also with FF once they see what is happening.

I think it would be most effective for us to involve councillors at the protests, if we can, and hopefully bring in the grassroots of the main parties and help shift their centre of gravity on immigration. A shift that's already happening - as evidenced by Varadkar. Ideological capture if you will.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261327#Comment_120261327

• “MASI is not funded; we depend on our own resources and raise our own funds as we can.”

can you fact check the other 2 for me and confirm they at least take taxpayer funds? 😶

https://www.masi.ie/about-us/

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261443#Comment_120261443

If a political party espousing control rather than hate emerges - maybe something like the PD's or an Aontu that is non religious, they may do reasonably well.

If wishes were horses beggars would ride. Are you aware of any efforts, even very preliminary, to establish such a party? Nobody appears to be, and it seems unlikely to me that if anything serious at all was happening on that front, word would not have leaked out somewhere in new or old media. So if we assume that nothing has been done to date to establish a PDs version 2.0, how likely is it that such a party would be up and running in time for the next general election, which might well be only a year and a half away?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261345#Comment_120261345

What a hilarious post. Someone claims to speak for Sweden, gets called out by a Swede and now the Swede is the one accused of dishonesty.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261556#Comment_120261556

Who's the swede in this situation?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261591#Comment_120261591

Or someone who lived there*?

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261592#Comment_120261592

I lived there, just off stolpalosa, worked in trianglen, don't have the apartment address to hand but I can probably get it for you. Not too keen on messaging my ex to win an argument on boards though.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261473#Comment_120261473

If no party offers a tighter immigration policy and if a tighter immigration policy is what the majority want, then the answer to your question has to be no.

Actually there are parties offering a tighter immigration policy, like the National Party and the Irish Freedom Party. If these parties continue at their current levels of success that at the very least demonstrates that immigration is not THE burning issue for any beyond a small handful of voters because if it was for any individual voters they would hold their nose and vote for those parties, regardless of how much they disagreed with other policies of theirs.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261542#Comment_120261542

I agree that trying to simply trying to turn it into a right vs left issue is of no use. But Ireland has never really been sympathetic towards countries who are perceived as being hard right and anti-immigration - witness how unpopular the Tory Brexit govt, Israel, Trump's version of the US etc were.

The anti-refugee people are making a mistake if they think they can simply transplant anti-migrant narratives and ideas from other countries and make them work in an Irish setting. Even Scotland in the UK is not on board with all the anti-immigration and anti-refugee stuff going on down in Westminster and we in Ireland are much more removed again from all of that.

Galwayguy35

The NGo's, Soc Dems, Labour, PBP, and even Christy Moore seem to have no issue rubbing shoulders with an ex jailbird killer.

Come to think of it neither do RTE considering they had him on a few weeks ago.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261548#Comment_120261548

Welp, since they didn't answer my question: I can find nothing that shows People Before Profit got taxpayer money, either

Same for ROSA

In this thread seemingly NGO is a catch-all term that people seem to confuse with all NGOs getting billions of dollars from the exchequer. In reality an NGO can be, more often than not, a privately or crowd funded organization with a public policy agenda.