Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261872#Comment_120261872

Meltdown as they watched how many NGO employees are on the taxpayer bankroll. We're not seeing value for money, let's be honest 😄

There was a few additional crusties there banging drums, blowing whistles etc, though. I'll give you that.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262540#Comment_120262540

Meltdown as they watched how many NGO employees are on the taxpayer bankroll

How many?

Someone gave the name of 3 NGOs earlier, I checked all 3 and couldn't find any indication they took government funds.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262380#Comment_120262380

Really.

If people who are in favour of illegal immigration aren't willing to help them out then how can people who are opposed to it be expected to.

Truth as as there is a shortage of accommodation for people arriving into the country somebody is going to have to help alleviate the situation so why shouldn't those who are favour of people arriving into the country not be the ones to do so

Once again the generosity of some people only goes to the point where they have to actually do something and then they go all silent when they are asked to step up.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262555#Comment_120262555

Once again the generosity of some people only goes to the point where they have to actually do something and then they go all silent when they are asked to step up.

A few pages ago the lads doing something and stepping up both were accused of 'profiting' off the refugees, because some of their costs are being recuperated, for, as you said, Doing Something.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262543#Comment_120262543

Whether you believe it or not these "NGO's" are influencing Irish politics, they don't speak for the average Irish person. You can pull in a pretty nice salary working for an NGO as well. I know a few. It's always a concern when state run media is pushing a certain narrative, reminds me of ..........

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262555#Comment_120262555

Should people who help out at soup kitchens take in the homeless Irish?

Should people who support pieta house take in suicidal people?

If you donate to women's aid should you take in a family from an abusive situation?

It's a pathetic put together argument that nobody with two brain cells to rub together would actually make.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262574#Comment_120262574

Ah sure I know a few popes as well.

Pull another one. "a few" NGO workers out of ... hundreds, thousands of NGOs, most of whom are not funded by the government. Grand, taken under advisement, lol.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262574#Comment_120262574

Who had 7.57 on Sunday for a Godwin in the pool, collect your free refugee before Wednesday.....

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262572#Comment_120262572

I'm all for that apart from their costs shouldn't be recuperated , why should law abiding taxpayers have to fund citizens aiding and abetting people breaking our laws, they wish to do it off their own bat with their own money I'm all for it.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262578#Comment_120262578

None of those people are breaking our laws though.Also people who work in soup kitchens are actively helping homeless people, people who work with Pieta house are actively helping people who a e suicidal.

people who go on marches like this are not actively helping anyone.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262578#Comment_120262578

What a bizarre view point, which makes no sense at all, you're comparing domestic issues (which we can't even cope with mind you) to bringing in 100k plus people a year, with no housing or infrastructure to support them. This will not end well at all. Countries that are far better set up than us have much stricter laws surrounding immigration.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262599#Comment_120262599

You lost me, we were discussing people opening their doors to house refugees, not aid and abet crime.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120261850#Comment_120261850

I don't support any illegal immigration.

So my answer is a no.

The fact you can't answer a yes or no makes it obvious you support illegal immigration.

I would love to know why you are in favour of it.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262609#Comment_120262609

What the f uck is this crap. Theres very few workers earning 100 grand.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262613#Comment_120262613

If they are refugees that is fine, no problem taking in genuine refugees, we should be doing that.

However everyone knows there are thousand who are claiming to be refugees who are not, everyone knows there are thousand who are travelling here illegally.

BoxcarWilliam99

Does Roderick OGorman not hold some responsibility for the 10 fold increase in asylum seekers coming from countries around the world.

He and his department put the word out in numerous different languages that Ireland would take in ,house, educate ,give medical treatment and education anyone who wanted to come.

Own door accommodation after 3 months was a particular one.

No wonder some of the other government departments are slow or unwilling to help him

dtothebtotheh

I'll leave it here, but currently, Ireland can not take anyone in, housing, education, healthcare, transport is under pressure. We are losing young Irish people again, and denying them the opportunity to grow, live and have a family in the country they were born in. These are plain facts!

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262608#Comment_120262608

So what level of help should be involved before you don't have to adopt a refugee? And several of the groups at the march work directly with asylum seekers, for everything from legal fees to sanitary products. They are also actively showing the likes of the women and children in ballymun that had a baying mob threatening to burn them out that actually, the vast majority don't feel that way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262609#Comment_120262609

What does that have to do with the moronic viewpoint that if you don't house one, you don't have a right to an opinion.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262583#Comment_120262583

Any idea where the money comes from for the 190k charity employees overheal?

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/ga/faisn%C3%A9is-don-phobal/%C3%A1r-nuacht/2018/july/research-highlights-the-major-social-and-economic-impact-of-registered-irish-charities

Registered Irish charities have an income of €14.5 billion, directly employ 189,000 people and are supported by 300,000 volunteers, according to research on the social and economic impact of charities in Ireland, published today

Jack Daw

I think most people agree that we should take in genuine refugees and legal immigrants.

However if you only extend that far you get labelled as far right and racist which of course is ridiculous.

Very few people are actually opposed to taking in genuine refugees or legal immigrants but the way the media and various NGO's goes on you'd think there was some sort of active campaign by the majority of people in Ireland against anyone being allowed into the country, their isn't and labelling a fairly tolerant nation like Ireland as a bastion of "Far right racist" sentiment is disgusting and should be called out by our elected representatives and media but of course they won;t as their too cowardly to do so.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

Any idea where the money comes from

Usually from sappy commercials "for just 5p a day, you can sponsor a bla bla bla to bla bla bla"

The cherry you picked only tells us what their collective income was, not where that income originated, or even if a penny of it comes directly from the treasury.

From your cherry tree:

"At one end of the scale there are large hospitals and universities with budgets funded by the Exchequer, extending to hundreds of millions of Euro, and hundreds of

paid staff. Many of these are large charities engaged in delivering critical health, education and social services.

"At the other end of the scale, there are completely volunteer-led organisations, providing services at community level, with small budgets."

Plenty of evidence in the report clarifying that there would be numerous, thousands of NGOs even that don't get a dime from the exchequer (along with thousands that do). And the ones being name-shamed in this thread have been the variety that I don't see any evidence of government funding of. Yet they are being painted as scrounging off the government teet, to suit a ragebaiting narrative. The report indicates 47% of NGOs are registered charities which are in fact not government supported.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262667#Comment_120262667

This is a thread about introducing a Zero Refugee Policy.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262667#Comment_120262667

I’m opposed to any refugees being taken in right now as we need a time out to get our house in order, I include Ukrainians

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262649#Comment_120262649

I think you are taking what he said too literally and your response was moronic (There seems to be certain types pushing this, there's loads of space here, come on in narrative, with little or no liability). In a democratic nation, there should be a common consensus on issues such as this, and this is a big f@cking issue, where we haven't had a say in what is currently happening. You can have your opinion, that's fine.

But this labelling people as right wingers or racist for having a different view point is wrong. It's very simple why people are angry, albeit it's directed at immigrants rather than our government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262543#Comment_120262543

Seriously? I just went to Twitter and searched #IrelandForAll

Very first result is from "An Cheile". Taxpayer funded NGO.

"Le Chéile Mentoring is funded by the Department of Justice through the Probation Service. Our Restorative Justice Project receives funding from the Probation Service and Limerick City and County Council."

https://lecheile.ie/about-us/funding-and-governance/

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Another of the first results who were there is from the Women's Council. Also funded by the taxpayer. Granted, they're less crusty-ish than other NGOs, their tweet in question makes me scratch my head:

"As women, we're asking women to come out on Saturday. To stand in solidarity with the women targeted by the anti-refugee protests and to stand up against the misogyny evident at the protests"

So, they're basically marching for women's rights... alongside people demanding the importation of men from countries where women have no rights (as someone articulated so well here earlier).

Do you see any issues here? Do you see any contradictions and potential problems down the line?

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We're also funding something called the "Far-Right Observatory". For the sake of balance, is there a "Far-Left Observatory" receiving our money? I could go on and on with these taxpayer funded NGOs.

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/06/15/far-right-observatory-how-did-an-anonymous-antifascist-organisation-receive-e225000-in-charity-funding

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Here's another (non-NGO) crowd there yesterday. "Irish Anarchist Network":

"We will forever chant no borders, no nations, **** deportations!"

https://twitter.com/acrataireland/status/1627030863744491523

This is the type of intellect we're dealing with. "Open borders". Besides how we'd receive every criminal feeling prosecution in their own countries, what these people fail to realize is that you can't have both open borders AND social welfare. I wonder if they'd change their tune if they knew their dole would eventually disappear. I'm being deadly serious here, too, lol.

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Regardless of what government, NGOs, "socialist" politicians, globalist corporations, marxist college professors, bought-off mainstream media, puppet celebrities etc keep telling you, you will not be living in some multicultural utopia. None of this will end well longer-term. It never does.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262709#Comment_120262709

this is a big f@cking issue, where we haven't had a say in what is currently happening

A bunch of people went out and protested this weekend, was that not an option? You can petition the government for things. And they're elected democratically and all.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262617#Comment_120262617

I'm very happy you can see life in black and white simple terms. Unfortunately most of us realize there's a little more to it than that.

If it's not no it's yes - maybe in 5th class.

dtothebtotheh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262651#Comment_120262651

It's a business. They have metrics, bonuses etc. like any other business.

thegame983

Forget the protests for a moment. Serious question - where do we put them all?

We've seen the migrant camps in Calais, the Greek Islands, etc. Is that really what people want here? (we already had migrants sleeping in tents during the winter)

Because we've seen that the government don't really have any interest in building housing regardless of who it is for.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191718#Comment_120191718

unfortunately alot of these protests are hijacked by hate mongers.

My problem with this welcome all to Ireland and houses for everybody is an economic problem. We cannot afford this open border crap.

We have among the highest debt per capita ratios in europe and our servicing of that debt is dependent on multinational corporation tax.

If the ass falls out of the tech / multinational industry in Ireland, all these economic migrants will hop to another country , local irish will be left in poverty.

It's not racism , we cannot afford all these migrants.