Bus curtailments in Tallaght

StreetLight

Here we go again.

Curtailments on Routes 27, 65B and 77A will see them operate as far as The Square only after 6pm from tonight:

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-bus-drivers-to-suspend-evening-services-to-parts-of-dublin-amid-grotesque-levels-of-violence-42280886.html

Ush1

Someones little darlings.

Jizique

Halloween comes early

Muller1991

From speaking to a few drivers in Ringsend, I honestly do not blame them. Safety is a priority. It also looks like they are prepared to sit this out for the long haul.

newmember2

I rang Tallaght Garda station one night in need of a Garda and was told there was only one car and it was dealing with a road traffic incident, and it had somewhere else to go after that before it could come to me. This is in Tallaght - with a population of 80,000 people.

MrMusician18

It's no surprise that drivers don't want to drive in west D̶o̶n̶b̶a̶s̶s̶ Dublin. Place has been a war zone and no action taken.

We needed a specialist transport police years ago.

john boye

I assume the 54A is included in this but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere

Muller1991

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120098139#Comment_120098139

I wouldn't think so the 54A Turns left after the Square and into Whitestown and then on to Kiltipper to terminate. It mainly stays away from the problem areas.

No mention of the 54A in any of the news articles I've seen.

mikeybhoy

Why isn't the 175 affected that takes a similar routing to the DB routes diverted. Do GAI not want to not notify customers they are diverted or do GAI disregard the health and safety of its drivers and passengers.

Muller1991

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120098794#Comment_120098794

Might be something to do with the Union statement.

PokeHerKing

I live about a 1000 yards from the garda station as the crow flies.

Regularly while I sit in traffic with my fellow commuters I witness lads on scramblers/quad bikes tearing through red lights, down the wrong side of the old bawn road.

All a couple of hundred yards from the station, not a guard to be seen. But drive the n81 and you regularly see traffic stops 20 squad cars deep across both sides of the road.

They've plenty of guards to do the work they want them to do.

dfx-

I've been on many a 56A around Maplewood Shopping Centre with the bus egged or more recently the centre doors pelted and broken.

It's an ultra close range slow corner so a sitting duck for the lads hanging around the Super Valu there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099050#Comment_120099050

The newest PA model bus is run on that route too!

Muller1991

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099015#Comment_120099015

I live just off the Old Bawn Road. Forever seeing scramblers and the likes heading on or adjacent to the Avonmore road either heading to Dodder Valley Park or towards the N81.

I was at a wedding in Naas a few weeks back and there was 2 ex DB Buses on as a Private hire. As we approached Tallaght the driver of the bus I was on would only stick to the main roads as there was groups of teens etc out after 3am pelting stones at buses.

where are the parents is the question I have to ask.

noc1980

In before the usual "hApPeNs In EvErY CiTy" nonsense. No it does not. Place is an absolute kip.

StreetLight

A press release on the Dublin Bus website at 5.55pm this evening provides for a revised routing. Basically all routes will operate to and from their respective termini, but will not serve the troublespots of Brookfield and Killinarden Heights.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Routes-27-65b-and-77a-in-the-West-Tallaght-Area/

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099189#Comment_120099189

What parents? In Jobstown, 60% of families are single parent families. 50% male unempoyment etc. Its a toilet.

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120098389#Comment_120098389

Seems it was to be affected, at least earlier, but I'm not sure if the compromise has changed that.

It doesn't get it too bad but the area around the Killinarden House can be a bit spicy at times.

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120098794#Comment_120098794

The DB curtailments are driver action, not company action. I've no idea if GAI drivers are taking the same action. Don't fool yourself into thinking DB are doing the honorable thing here and the other company isn't.

Hopefully A&E services to areas like that will follow.

nidek

I am a resident of the Jobstown area and a regular user of the 27 bus.

In the last few weeks the level of incidents on the bus has skyrocketed, from theft, yelling and disorderly conduct.

All of this was caused by a group of teenagers of about 8 people between the ages of 14-20. They were always the same.

It was something that was seen coming, nothing ever happens to them, sometimes the driver stopped the bus and called the garda, but little else.

It is a pity that for such a small group we have to affect all the neighbors. But I fully support the drivers, there should be 0 tolerance to anti-social behavior.

I also believe that the problem is not solved by enforcing the law only, you have to make initiatives in the community.

For example.

If there are young people who like to race motorcycles, encourage local competitions and the creation of racing teams.

If there are young people who like to fight, make boxing competitions.

In jobstown there is a giant jobstown park, why not make local events for young people?

Although I don't justify it, many of those teenagers don't do evil because they want to be criminals, it's because they don't know any other way to focus their energy and fun. Sometimes the family environment doesn't help either.

I think that the solution to these problems is a work between the city council, local associations and neighbors in the area.

iamwhoiam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097810#Comment_120097810

I think the opposite , kids whos parents couldnt care less about them , kids who parents are out drinking and on drugs and who dont give a damn about their kids .

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099951#Comment_120099951

GAI drivers should be doing the same after all GAI drivers are represented by SIPTU and NBRU same as DB.

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100480#Comment_120100480

Yeah it seems odd that they're not but who knows what's going on there.

dtothebtotheh

So many acronyms in this thread , after 12 years in Australia I really feel like I’m living in a different country to the one I left, what the hell is GAI???

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100480#Comment_120100480

If SIPTU and the NBRU haven't referred to GAI drivers, it's because they haven't been complaining as much. The 175 doesn't serve any of the most badly affected areas. There have been isolated incidents on the 175 over the years (some particularly nasty), but even Fortunestown Lane, in spite of its reputation, is relatively quiet at night.

dtothebtotheh

Jesus Christ, who are the NBRU & GAI, I know who’s siptu is, but a google search doesn’t find me about others

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100687#Comment_120100687

NBRU - National Bus and Rail Union (first thing that comes up when you Google "NBRU")

GAI - Go Ahead Ireland

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100296#Comment_120100296

If there are young people who like to race motorcycles, encourage local competitions and the creation of racing teams.

If there are young people who like to fight, make boxing competitions.

In jobstown there is a giant jobstown park, why not make local events for young people?

There's no places to legally ride motorcycles and NIMBYS won't allow it. There's is/was a lot of waste ground around the affected areas and none of the lads on scramblers every went near it to race. They rather doing wheelies up the middle of the road.

I know of several combat clubs in the area and they are willing to accept anyone. These people don't want to train they want to intimidate people

See what happened to the bike rental stations they installed, broke within a few hours. We can't have nice stuff until we sort out the scumbags

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120098039#Comment_120098039

Is Tallaght West Dublin? Not sure about that.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100737#Comment_120100737

Dismissing them as "scumbags" won't "sort out the scumbags". Bored kids mostly, the majority of whom will grow out of it.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100669#Comment_120100669

I heard there were issues on the 76 too around Neilstown but never a peep from GAI about buses being diverted

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100296#Comment_120100296

Go away now. Its always someone elses fault.

There are as much facilities and outlets in Tallaght than Maynooth, athlone, galway or waterford. These are just scrotes with scrote parents being scumbags.

Its always the same argument with the bleeding hearts. Look to blame everyone else apart from the little scumbags themselves.

dtothebtotheh

Thanks, I’m really struggling with being back, half the time I’ve no idea what people are talking about, I mean when I was growing up it was just the bus😅 tallaght was just being built, great times as a young lad, unfortunately my health is failing me, I’ve read boards the last few days, I used to like it, but now it seems like a different world altogether, I don’t understand all of these new acronyms, I’m sorry 😞

dtothebtotheh

So has Dublin bus split into 3 separate organisations?

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100797#Comment_120100797

There are sporadic issues on almost every route. The 76 isn't really worse than any other. The problems with certain routes in West Tallaght are more sustained and require a strong response from unions - without whom there wouldn't be a peep from DB.

nidek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100737#Comment_120100737

I know,

it's a complex issue, the question is how to end the problem . it's something that takes time .

It is also true that the law should be stricter with minors.

nidek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100808#Comment_120100808

It is not a about of blaming others.

But if parents or children do not comply with the law or do not have the most adequate education, I think it is best that the law, society and the environment show them the right path.

Strumms

Unfortunately when the little scumbags don’t have a deterrent… criminal justice system / Garda resources to meet them head on this is what happens.

roughly 80,000 people live in Tallaght. There is one single Garda station in Tallaght, for 80,000 people

I’ve a friend who has lived in Millbrook Lawns for aeons…they won’t walk to the shops any more. Get a lift to and back from Tallaght shopping center, at least lots of people around. That’s not due to fear, paranoia, it’s directly to do with what is going on in that area. Millbrook was always a settled avenue with nice families, yet she was threatened by scumbags on the flyover on the way to the shopping center, Gardai didn’t want to know, the reviews of the station on google, 2/5. She was left for over 30 minutes waiting to talk to someone there, looks not to be unusual. According to google someone wanted to get passport form signed and waited 50 minutes….

if a station can’t staff up to get someone to put ink to paper and look at a photo without waiting 50 minutes how can they be trusted with actioning timely responses to criminality and victims of crime , being a deterrent and protecting the public ?

a legacy of political dipsticks burying their heads up their…

what will happens with the metro ? Drivers just say ‘no’ to working those routes ? So no buses ? No metro ? No taxis ?

scumbags 10 - 0 civilised society…..

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100839#Comment_120100839

No, Dublin Bus is the same as it has always been.

SIPTU and NBRU are trade unions that represent the staff who work at Dublin Bus and other transport companies.

Go Ahead Ireland are a new bus company who now operate 10% of the bus routes in Dublin along with Dublin Bus.

thebourke

T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100332#Comment_120100332

Their parents are probably on social welfare all their lives that we the tax payer are paying for.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100747#Comment_120100747

Claiming they are bored kids is part of the problem. There's loads of facilities in the local area yet their idea of fun is vandalism and intimidation instead of playing football, GAA, doing martial arts, swimming etc.

These "bored kids" destroyed the local Lidl when it was being built, that's what scumbags do, and it was "bored kids" who pushed the girl under the DART, who got a slap on the wrist from our justice system.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120101065#Comment_120101065

It's far from only West Tallaght and it's all modes.

Green Party types asking people to use public transport. What person with the comfort of a car would use public transport in Dublin?

No one and they shouldn't. It's not worth it.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100332#Comment_120100332

Those are the exact parents who think the sun shines out of their kids arse.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100737#Comment_120100737

100% correct. They don't want to race on a track or to fight someone who is willing and regularly training. They want to cause mayhem.

My cousin is from Brookfield and runs a kickboxing gym. The biggest hard lads on the estate turn up for one class and don't come back. The quieter ones who have a lot of trauma often turn out to be the most dedicated.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120101365#Comment_120101365

Sure I see on Facebook Sacred Heart pitches are regularly destroyed by scramblers. that's their facilities. As soon as that new playground was opened in Jobstown near the N81 it was set fire to.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120101065#Comment_120101065

Never forget when a bloke I know was on his own outside Level 4 after closing and three blokes started on him. He fought them off and was literally fighting them across the road and he managed to back himself into the garda station. Said to the guards what was happening and they said if they attack you again when you leave, just ring us!

Hoboo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120100747#Comment_120100747

They grow out of wrecking buses into far worse as adults.

I have a nephew, 16. When he’s bored, and he’s not playing football or gaa or basketball (all on the street, there’s no courts or pitches) he draws. Pencil and paper, available to even the poorest of kids. He doesn’t throw rocks at people on buses.

It’s always the lack of amenities and boredom and poverty. Everyone else’s fault.

I think the bus routes and Luas should stop after dark and when the good people of Tallaght finally have enough of no transport they’ll sort the problem out pretty quickly themselves.

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099050#Comment_120099050

Fortunestown Shopping Centre.

In all my years getting the 56a I've never seen trouble with a bus there but I'm not surprised to hear of it. Anytime I pass that bus stop on the same side as the shopping centre it's littered with cans, bottles etc so obviously a place where people gather...

I'm surprised they haven't moved the bus stops to the new road that goes behind the shops.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120101408#Comment_120101408

Let's not go overboard here. I use the bus every day across the city and is certainly not as bad as you are claiming.

Yes there are problems, mirroring the social issues that our society suffers, and some routes suffer more problems than others.

But to imply that anti-social behaviour is rife across the network is scaremongering of the highest order. It isn't.

Citrus_8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120105101#Comment_120105101

The way you say things, it looks that you've never lived abroad, or at least visited for more than a few months. Ireland is really degrading. The scums of our society is left alone without any discipline or responsibilities, there is no use of them, they just create a trash and crimes. This is a severe problem which happened due to laziness and a lack of responsibility. They see parents living like scumbags and themselves becoming the ones. No use to the society of such degradation. Some of them should be locked in a cell, parents should be taught social life and respect to the tax payers, and the ones on a longer than a 12 months' period for the job seeker's benefits should do a mandatory community work: clean streets especially. It's disgusting how filthy our streets and people are.