creeslough

asdfg22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056099#Comment_120056099

The cause of the greenfell tower was known immetiately, from memory it waa fire in apartment and spread to cladding.

Its no wonder if they go around in circles like you it takes so long. I did not ask for conclusion. What caused the explosion?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/03/gas-blast-house-welsh-family

Here’s a shocking case that happened in Wales, but thankfully no deaths. Investigation concluded in this particular case it was a faulty regulator on the gas canister outside feeding gas into the appliance, the cooker. The lady in the house smelled very slight odour of gas but when she touched the oven dial there was a massive explosion. Just shows even the faintest smell of gas, get out and don’t switch on or off anything electrical, or activate your phone etc in any way until you are safely outside.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056171#Comment_120056171

Your memory is questionable.

The " most likely" cause of the grenfell fire being an overheated fridge in an apartment wasnt known until stated in the inquiry on 28th November 2018.

The grenfell fire happened on 14 June 2017.

Its quite a stretch to claim that's "immediately"

asdfg22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056004#Comment_120056004

The investigation is over but they have decided not to tell the people the findings, the experts are long gone

.Just a matter of typing. The explosion was caused by xxxx. We were unable to establish the cause.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056202#Comment_120056202

The investigation isn't over.

Stop repeating this mistake over and over

The cause in the case of Creeslough will be disclosed in time. There are witness(es) which they would have interviewed and re-interview to established a train of events.

In air crash investigations of some shortcoming of an aircraft is established during any stage of the investigation it is normal good practice to reveal it to concerned parties without delay, in order to prevent further such incidents. Eg, in the case of the small Let twinprop a Russian investigation revealed the propellers, when tested, had an occasional tendency to go into beta mode, giving reverse thrust on one side, causing potential loss of control. This was communicated to all parties globally. That was at a time before the good guy in charge of air accident investigations in Russia was sacked by Putin as he was overly communicative.

walterking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056171#Comment_120056171

I got a new record player for Christmas - one of my old lp's has a scratch on it and the same few words go on repeat repeat repeat repeat until I get up and change it.

Your posts are similar.

The local investigation at the scene is over, but not the investigation itself. Now they have to painstakingly go though everything, arrive at a conclusion. And THEN, you will get the report. My guess is another 6-8 months

I think everyone knows that gas was what caused the explosion. Just like in grenfell, they knew an electrical appliance caused the initial fire because the person who was in the flat told them, but the deaths were not caused by this. Gas does not simply blow up of its own accord and this is what needs to be investigated and that is not an easy investigation.

Was it an inlet, was it an appliance, how long was the gas build up, could it not escape though vents, was it an accident, was it poor workmanship, was it a faulty appliance, was there human intervention and probably another dozen questions that each has to be painstakingly checked and it could take many more months.

Grenfell was in 2017. That enquiry is still ongoing

asdfg22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056228#Comment_120056228

They have gathered all the inform from the site, do they know what caused the explosion?

The green fell is a very bad example the cause of that incident was known immediately.

The fire started in an appartment and the deaths were caused by the curtains transferring the fire to cladding outside. The fire in itself was not the cause of the deaths.

The conclusion is a separate conversation.

asdfg22

So the witnesses will confirm the likely cause of explision. Get real.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056382#Comment_120056382

You do know there is more to the garda investigation than the site investigation don't you??

Do you think there could be, like, possibly, I dunno, lab tests and reports to be carried out??

Do you know they have interviewed over 300 people and have over 500 lines of enquiry, from as far away as Spain.

All YOU want is for someone to satisfy your own curiosity, and thankfully that's not how these things happen, no matter how much you keep repeating incorrect stuff

asdfg22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056619#Comment_120056619

If they do not know the cause by now its likely they will never know. I expect there will it may be the reason for delay in announcing an actual finding. I never said i had knowledge, i simply asked a question that people want to be asked it seems. It seems not a priority and i think it should be.

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056720#Comment_120056720

You didnt ask a question. You made a wide sweeping statement in your first post and just to jolt your memory this is what you said ..... "I find it strange that with all the investigating the authorities were not able to find the cause of the awful tragety that happened nearly 3 months ago"

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056720#Comment_120056720

They do know by now. And its possible the families affected know too because they may have been given that privilege.

You don't know, and I don't know, but it's none of our business. We all have a fair idea but that's all we are entitled to.

Can't figure out how you cant understand how complex and sensitive this is and that it has to be done right.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120056720#Comment_120056720

"It seems"... ??

You've shown loads in this thread that you haven't a clue about these things, so how things "seem" to you isn't really a solid basis to be making any judgements

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120055633#Comment_120055633

With respect, even you are demonstrating that there is lack of public knowledge of the cause of the explosion. It was widely reported at the time as likely concerned with gas and repeated here. But you are querying even that above.

There was all sorts of other speculation at the time. At the very least, it would be useful if the authorities stated that insofar as is currently known that the basic cause, for reasons still being investigated was a domestic accident associated with a gas leak - or something along those lines.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120057126#Comment_120057126

In all due respect OF COURSE im demonstrating a lack of public knowledge.... Because there IS a lack of public knowledge as to cause of the explosion.

It's easy to say it was most likely a gas explosion, but that doesn't say what the actual cause was. It's like saying the reason for the big fire was the small fire.

So I'm urging the op and others not to post hypotheticals or assumptions untill they full facts are known, surely not a difficult ask.

Even the forum that the op decided to post in is in itself an assumption that was a building regulation issue here.

MarkR

Sure they're hardly going to come out and say "We reckon it was a gas drum in apartment 2" or something until they can give ALL of the information. Imagine if you got named as the cause of all these deaths, but the full report WASN'T available? You'd be trying t clear your name against whispers and half truths.

There's no conspiracy, no one is needlessly drawing out things. Sure they catch people standing over dead bodies with blood stained knives, and Investigations still need to take time. More so if there is litigation to follow.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120057195#Comment_120057195

"Even the forum that the op decided to post in is in itself an assumption that was a building regulation issue here."

BIG mistake op, Building Regs is a very rarefied atmosphere.

Maybe better in Current Affairs or legal, probably not regional as you'll probably be banned from there, Muffler has already got your number.

Slideshowbob

Where are the investigations now?

This has slipped out of the national news. Wasn't a Scandinavian consultant appointed to review the debris and do 3D analysis?

Thinking of the triathlon deaths this week, they'll be in to long investigations too. And then I thought of Creeslough......

sydthebeat

looks like the investigation is concluded

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0322/1439384-creeslough/

Two men in their 50s have been arrested in connection with the garda investigation into the tragedy in which ten people died in Creeslough, Co Donegal.

The arrests were made this morning in the ongoing investigation into the explosion at the service station and apartment building on 7 October 2022.

The two men were arrested for alleged offences contrary to the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997.

They are currently detained under the provisions of section 4 Criminal Justice Act 1984 at separate garda stations in Donegal, and can be held for up to 24 hours.

10-10-20

I won't get into finger-pointing as to what role these individuals played within the overall tragedy, but it's sad to hear that arrests were made and the indications aren't that it was a material or structural defect as a cause. All available information considered - maybe there are aspects of defects outside of the human factor, we won't know for a good while until evidence is presented. Anyway, good to see progress as I was only wondering about this last week.