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New Children's Hospital - A symbol of Ireland's scandalous and shady behavior

  • 08-12-2022 6:29pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    At least 3 or 4 times a year there is a new scandal linked to the new childrens hospital. Almost always either about the final cost or of the date of completion. These are always dismissed and forgotten about because sher what harm is another few hundred million and it's for the children remember so how dare you question it:

    "the only scandal in relation to the project would have been to cancel it" - Simon Harris

    I watched some very interesting footage a few weeks back on the building of the Empire State building in New York. The building was on such a mammoth proportions that they had to dig right down to the bedrock of Manhattan to find stone solid enough to support it.

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDECW5FLAM&ab_channel=Rick88888888)

    This was all during the height of the Wall Street Crash. And yes, building regulations, labour/material costs etc. were nowhere near what they are today and yes, the Empire State building is not of hospital standard, but you only have to look at the figures to see that there is something seriously wrong:


    (Source Wikipedia)

    We are all fully aware that the government simply chose the cheapest and quickest offer from the contractors (BAM) and signed off on an open-ended tendering process (essentially writing a blank cheque with little repercussion for missed timelines). And this doesn't even touch on the "Consultancy" contracts. All to the detriment to the tax payer.

    But it's all for the sick children, how dare you!

    An interesting thread was started a few years back but of course was scoffed at and dismissed to the cesspit of the conspiracy forum. The thread pointed to the very fact that the hospital is shaped like a serpent eye, a symbol notoriously linked with evil and shady business.

    This cannot simply be an underestimate of costs and lead time. The question is, how long before the real scandal is truly exposed?





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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭buried


    What's that grey tower by the path on the top left of the picture? The structure that looks like Sauron's gaff, what's that for?

    "Lunar South is Solar East" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    They must have factored in a cheque from Sean Quinn, that'll cover the cost of the hospital. Any day now it will be sent in.

    Just looking at the figures again - It's costing 4 times as much and 5 times as long to build a structure that is half the size of the Empire state building. I think that Sqm figure also includes car parking space too, so probably less than half the size



  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    But but but...what about Sinn Fein IRA Jean McConville??????

    I personally think Gerry Mary Lou Mcdonald Adams has questions to answer in relation to this Children Hospitals debacle. I notice they haven't denied involvement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah god knows the poor auld legal folks will be wanting some of that 'taxpayer footing the bill for Billions' action too

    "Lunar South is Solar East" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users Posts: 76,295 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And yes, building regulations, labour/material costs etc. were nowhere near what they are today and yes, the Empire State building is not of hospital standard, but

    yeahbut. You just explained everything about the delta, even before we mention that 2020 dollars are a lot cheaper than 2022 dollars. $659.63 M is the more accurate figure based on your table (https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm). The five human lives lost during its construction, technically priceless.

    Not to mention the ESB was designed in such a way to maximize floor space and minimize material cost, this building has other parameters in mind owing to its function. This contraption pictured above has other factors clearly driving its design: awnings, courtyards, pavilions, rooftop park, Helicopter pad, etc. it is not simply a tower of floors stacked with cubicles and mod cons.

    Not comparing oranges to tangerines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭screamer


    Sorry but you know nothing about the adversarial form of contract utilised here. You see a huge cost and think corruption, scandal when actually it isn’t. Besides anything else the cost of materials and labour had sky rocketed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 76,295 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not only that but administration, safety and overhead costs money.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Then why didn't we just build a tower with cubicles and mod-cons with the same amount of beds leaving enough left over to build a second one all over again in a more central part of the country?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Footage from the Empire state building is gas " wheres my 3-piece suit and bowler hat? I'm off to work to build a skyscraper"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Don’t be talking shite. The aesthetics of this place will cure disease. Why would you just build a hospital we are desperate for? Sure anyone can do that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    473 in-patient beds I think? I think that's the same as the three hosps it replaces.

    But 6,500 rooms altogether, it's a big building!!!


    UPDATE:

    "This 160,000m2 facility will feature over 6,000 rooms spread across seven storeys above basement, 380 individual in-patient rooms, each with an en-suite and bed for parent to sleep near their child, 60 critical care beds, 93 day beds and 22 operating theatres. It will also feature four acres of outdoor space with 14 gardens and courtyards, a helipad and 1,000 underground parking spaces."



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Its neither the Government Fault nor The Construction Firms fault.

    The Government are the customer.

    The Construction firm are the Delivery Team

    There is a team in the middle called the Project Management team who were/are responsible for The Scope, Timeline and Budget for the Project.

    Funny enough they seem to have failed in all 3 areas



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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,499 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    An interesting thread was started a few years back but of course was scoffed at and dismissed to the cesspit of the conspiracy forum. The thread pointed to the very fact that the hospital is shaped like a serpent eye, a symbol notoriously linked with evil and shady business.

    😂 Brilliant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    An interesting thread was started a few years back but of course was scoffed at and dismissed to the cesspit of the conspiracy forum. The thread pointed to the very fact that the hospital is shaped like a serpent eye, a symbol notoriously linked with evil and shady business.

    So the architects, engineers and all the rest conspired to shape a hospital like a serpent so that qualified doctors can practice unmitigated evil against innocent children?

    And that's where I end my contribution to this thread.

    David Icke, eat your heart out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Interesting I haven’t heard anything about bed numbers before.

    Surely we need more hospital beds in the Paediatric Healthcare System not the same amount. Haven’t politicians being talking about an increase in population for a long time now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Probably to do with the symbol for doctors the snakes around what ever the other thing is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭buried


    The Caduceus. Snakes entwined around a winged staff. Associated with Hermes and Mercury.

    "Lunar South is Solar East" - W. B. Yeats





  • Can this be booted to CT? The op doesn't believe in moon landings. CA is bad, but ffs.



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