Smart Meter P1 Port

johndoe11

I had a smart meter installed recently and was wondering if anyone knows if the P1 port is disabled remotely by ESB Network? I read on other threads that they are locked with tags, that is not the case with mine where it just has a pastic cover? I was thinking of investing in a SlimmeLezer+, which would integrate if with home assistant (if it works).

Thanks.

EverydayMuffin

Hi, which meter did you get installed? Sagemcom XS211 (CS 50001)?

I got one installed today, I'm not sure if the P1 Port is enabled by default.

It seems these are the same or at least similar to the meters which are used in Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg.

I am going to hold off on buying a SlimmeLezer+ or HomeWizard P1 Meter for the time being and instead check if I can read any data from the P1 Port using a Raspberry Pi, or even a laptop. If I don't get anything from the P1 Port, I will ask ESB Networks to enable it and see what they say.

These meters usually output data in a format that complies with the DSMR (Dutch Smart Meter Requirements) standard, but I'm not sure if Irish ones do, and if they do, I'm not sure which version.

johndoe11

Hi, I got one and tried it on the port but it doesn't work. I've had no luck with either ESB networks or Energia trying to get it enabled. Yes, that is the same meter I have.

Bould_Badger

Any joy with this?

Just had my smart meter installed today, same model.

johndoe11

No update, ESB won't activate it. They say it is the phase of the smart metre roll out.

theintern

Just to give some feedback on an alternate way of doing this. I'm really happy with my Shelly EM. It's easy to wire in yourself (as long as you shut off the main breaker and are very careful), and it works flawlessly with Home Assistant.

I gave up on trying meter based options.

bittihuduga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336271#Comment_120336271

can you please share some info this shelly EM? just want to know some info on how easy it is to wire :-)

ECO_Mental

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360852#Comment_120360852

I did a bit of a write up a few months ago see link below

Power / Electricity Apps? — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

fbradyirl

I can see some recommendations on this thread, although all require the P1 port:

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/what-device-with-a-smarty-electricity-meter-sagemcom-t-210-d-in-luxembourg/461887

iknorr

yeah i have a friend in holland. Allthere P1 ports are open.

A poster above mentioned "ESB won't activate it. They say it is the phase of the smart metre roll out"

As in never going to happen or we will open it up in the next phase?

johndoe11

That should have said next phase!

wexfordman2

https://www.hackster.io/news/the-snout-like-piggymeter-is-a-home-assistant-compatible-sensor-for-energy-meters-and-more-b3376b6af6ab

Any use ?

To be honest, this should again be something the regulator focuses on. My brother over.in the UK can see instantaneous readings from his smart.meter with a small screen inside the house. He can genuinely use the smart meter.to monitor his usage, not some crappy 30minute.readings.from a web page.like we are.given

WildCardDoW

Was just about to post it! Might take the hit in December and see if it works but assume that the port is disabled as per other posts may impact how this works.

I don't even get the crappy Web site feed, assume I need to get onto a smart plan for it.

WildCardDoW

So looked into it once I got home.

My meter, a Kamstrup Omnipower Single Phase ST supports:

IE 62053-21 and 23

And the only thin I've found so far for it is:

https://github.com/UtilitechAS/amsreader-firmware

bittihuduga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121370085#Comment_121370085

has anyone tried this? does it work for our irish smart meters?

iknorr

Anyone know when the next phase that will unlock the P1 port be?

VegetaIRL8e

I got a email from ESB saying late next year

remoteboy

Getting my smart meter installed on Monday next. Is it fairly useless from a HA perspective until P1 port is opened. Is there any kind of API that can be plugged into?

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121411986#Comment_121411986

I have the frient Electricity Meter Interface 2 working with an ESB Smart Meter and Home Assistant.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/frient-Electricity-Consumption-Electronics-SmartThings/dp/B0CGVB6LGC/ref%3Dsr_1_5?crid=3N3NB3JQ14XVK&keywords=frient&qid=1700838431&sprefix=frient%2Caps%2C62&sr=8-5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121306461#Comment_121306461

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121412807#Comment_121412807

Do you have solar? Does the led blink at same rate during export?

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413347#Comment_121413347

I don't so can't say.

bittihuduga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121412807#Comment_121412807

can the frient catch the wifi signal fine to connect to HA?

wonder where should be the router placed for frient placed outside the house?

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413382#Comment_121413382

It's ZigBee not WiFi.

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413382#Comment_121413382

It's Zigbee not WiFi.

I have some outdoor floodlights that are Zigbee as well and it looks like it connects through the nearest one of those.

bittihuduga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413499#Comment_121413499

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121413463#Comment_121413463

oh sorry..need to have a zigbee device closer to the outdoor frient. need to check what's on ground floor near the door

fael

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389952#Comment_121389952

I had sent them an email last week as well and got this as a reply:

Thank you for your email.

This is not available at present but is in the planning stage so will be available to all customers with smart meters in due course.  We do not have an exact date yet. 

Kind regards,

Won't hold my breath for now.

If they are serious about changing behaviour they should open the port straight away and offer a P1 dongle with small display you can put in your kitchen at a very low cost.

dam099

It's moot until ESB open up the P1 port but Frient now have a P1 version of their Zigbee Electricity Meter Interface 2.

https://frient.com/products/electricity-meter-interface-2-p1/

The version reading the optical pulses has been very reliable for me so far so not sure what advantages the P1 version offers other than not needing batteries (as I understand P1 provides the power for it).

StartledGiraffe

Was looking into this recently and got a reply from ESB networks and thought I'd update this old thread, P1 port access should be coming at the end of 2025. It's slow progress!

Currently the P1 port on all the smart meters is disabled and will not send any information if the customer plugs in a device. Port 1 enablement is planned for Q4 2025.  In 2017 the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (CRU) agreed a phased approach to the smart metering roll out and ESB Networks will have an In-Home Channel available by the end of 2024 - in line with the original plan.

The solution is envisaged to facilitate connection by a wide range of apps and devices that customers can purchase or that may be provided by their electricity supplier.

We are engaging with our meter manufacturers and working through the details of enabling the P1 port.  Please bear with us over the next few months as this work is conducted and look for updates on our website towards the end of this year.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121970156#Comment_121970156

In the early trials they offered a little tabletop display offering real time info etc and no one used it so it was dropped.
so basically they trulls what you wanted and no one uses it

fael

Any links to the device? I would like to see how it was connected to the meter.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947444#Comment_122947444

I can’t recall how it worked, it 4.2.3 here is where they decided against them

https://www.ucd.ie/issda/t4media/cer11080.pdf

fael

So your statement is: no one used it.

The paper you referred to says:

The electricity monitor was deemed to be effective as a support to those achieving peak reduction (91% rated it as an important support) and shifting to night rates (87% deemed it an important support).

This referred to 5000 households and 650 businesses. 91% and 87% resp. finding this an important support is not quite 'no one used it'.

However I do agree that the research has found that it's not significantly more effective that other measures. So I take your point that it's not money well spent by the government or electricity providers.

Anecdotally however, I have noticed a big difference where people use displays. I have family that don't live in Ireland and have dynamic (hourly) electricity pricing and have shifted large amounts of their peak usage. But this is not applicable to the general population because my family are either retired or WFH so are able to shift it. Also in the case of an EV you can make a massive difference by not charging at peak hours.
But once you have gotten the hang of it after a few weeks or months you can do without the display.
There are some devices that just cost €25 and plug into your meter (

Save on your energy bills with the Wi-Fi P1 Meter - HomeWizard

for example). Your data is then accessible on your mobile phone. That's money well spent. You can also sell it on if you fancy. But this simple device is not working in Ireland because they have the p1 port blocked for some stupid reason.