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If/when we "run out of time" to fix the planet, will we still have the draconian measures

  • 18-11-2022 6:54pm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭veryangryman

    MM said last week how we can't waste one single second more on this. Lets assume we wasted 6 in the meantime.

    Are we ok to accept that regardless of whose fault it is we can't fix the planet and get on with what's left of our lives. A bit like skipping Chemo to enjoy what's left of it all?

    Would a politician who knows the facts ever admit we are out of time and just shrug their shoulders to say "do what ye like"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,999 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious

    It would never happen. If anything the politician will have a swipe at going ultra-authoritarian for the time that's left. People become politicians because they're seeking out that power to meddle with the lives of others

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld

    There are loads of politicians like this already who are effectively saying this. Not sure if their is an Irish politician. Maybe the Healy Rae's etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,999 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious

    There is no climate. Have you not ever watched the BBC? Outside the 6 counties we don't even have weather.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,637 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005

    There are 160 TD's, 60 Senators and 949 County Councillors. That is the sum total of politicians. They come and go at the will of the people. Just make sure to get the right ones.

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  • Posts: 0 Nicole Weak Shelf

    I blame the people of doggerland , they literally sat on their holes and drowned

  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭japprentice

    Two more weeks.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    I think we have maybe 5 years left to change our energy output switch to solar and green energy. The problem is many countrys are under the control of right wing extremist governments. They are unlikely to change the system that keeps them in power and gets them bribes from their cronys for government contracts

    Also our present energy supply system is being disrupted by the war in ukraine

    What will likely happen is it.ll be gradual process some countrys will be hit by droughts flooding extreme storms or hurricanes

    There will be mass migrations as people try to leave countrys that have a shortage of water or extreme heat conditions

    The strange thing is we have acess to power like solar and wind energy that could replace most of the present energy sources

    Some places will have a lack of water while some citys will be under water as sea levels rise. Itll cost billions to replace our current energy system but the choice is to wait while our planet s ecosystem is destroyed

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭growleaves

    'Some places will have a lack of water while some citys will be under water as sea levels rise.'

    It doesn't seem to affect property prices at all. Clearly neither real estate agents, property buyers or property seller believe that e.g. San Francisco will be underwater in five years' time

    Nor are Portmarnock, Clontarf, Sandymount house prices etc. affected.

    I am not the type to faint

    When things are odd or things are quaint

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach

    So the political class claim an emergency and to cede them extraordinary powers to fix the percieved problem. Like that has never had happened before, nor for that matter notiable changes in the climates in that past two millenia prior to the age of Industrialisation.

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous

    What about giving up the fags and reducing that radon gas before you get cancer in the first place?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,048 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    business, agriculture and industry are three of the biggest causes of climate change.. yet have you ever heard a politician put a gun to any of those three sectors ? And threaten them ? Nope.

  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭GSBellew

    Sure it'll just be another 100% redress nothing less millstone hung around the taxpayers neck to rehouse them, it'll be grand.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    I dont think san fran will be under water in 5 years time, climate change is a slow gradual process ,what will happen is some places will be flooded some places will have a severe shortage of water

    the challenge is will we take action to stop climate change every country has different policys and political partys in power theres seems to be no united long term plan of action even among eu nations.

    of course if you are a boomer ,over 40 you might not care , eg by the time climate change happens i,ll be gone , its gen z who,ll be left to deal with it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭Furze99

    The common sense thing to do: along with modest and slow changes to our power generation model, we should also be investing in mitigation measures. We are a very small state in the context of the world and no point in prostrating/ flagellating ourselves completely. There's a balance, a point where the cost/ benefit curve starts to rise steeply.

    So, we will continue to use coal, oil & gas but slowly build up other options inc solar, wind and nuclear. On the mitigation front - ruthlessly ban all development in areas that are suspected to be at risk of flooding, build flood defences where deemed necessary, stop land drainage schemes and seek to restore natural flood plains and land that will absorb and release rainfall more slowly. And we need to control immigration, humans use resources and the more we have, the more work we need to do to mitigate.

  • Registered Users Posts: 49,957 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover

    Will we get anything extra in our pensions to compensate us i wonder?

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭kippy

    What "Draconian" meansures are you talking about?

    In fairness, it's not the the end will be an instant wipeout for civilisation - it will be a gradual increase in climate events that will, over a prolonged period of time lead to much harsher living condidions which we will need to adapt to. It may lead to a planet upon which humans eventually die out - but it won't be "instant".

    The "draconian" measures you think are in place now, will pale in comparison to what we will need to do to deal with the consequences of unchecked climate change, unfortunately.

    Any things we do to reduce our input into climate change will lengthen the time before events get worse. or reduce the impact of climate change so I don't think theres any logic in "just stopping".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,955 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk

    We haven't changed at all, we're consuming more now than ever, flying more, more cars on the roads than ever in Ireland. It is politically impossible to make the changes required, the people will not stand for it. When resources start to become more hard to get a hold of, and crops fail worldwide etc., there'll be no collective effort to remedy the situation, we'll point fingers at others and there'll be wars, loads of wars, and fascist governments. I don't believe for a second it can possibly go any other way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)

  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ Emberly Tangy Drill

    Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Enjoy yourself, you can't do anything to change it. Qué Sera Sera and all that.

    Nuclear war is a far more urgent threat right now if you want something to worry about.

  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 89,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight

    In July 1988, during at a lecture at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, oceanographer John Martin stood up and said in his best Dr. Strangelove accent, “Give me a half tanker of iron, and I will give you an ice age.”

    If there was some way for rich people to profit from this it would have already happened. FeSO4 is very cheap.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,048 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    The vast majority of people, ordinary citizens, when asked to put their shoulders to the wheel, will and are now.

    the majority of businesses won’t, unless instead of getting asked a gun is put to their heads…

    general business like farming is a greater catalyst for climate change then aviation, or anything civilians are doing. Yet literally as usual nobody dares to criticise the poor farmers… you NEVER hear of anything farming and climate change related especially of a critical nature. In Ireland, you do not criticise farmers or the industry, just because that’s why. Farming is one of the main catalysts of climate change. Yet are putting on the poor mouth looking for handouts before they’ll do anything.

    aviation is constantly attempting to utilise more green ways to do business.

    1. aircraft mandated not use APUs until 15 minutes before departure. Crews themselves as I’ve known leave it shut off till much nearer departure.
    2. routes planned to minimise fuel burn.
    3. Aircraft parking planned so that towing off isn’t necessary. Fuel guzzling tugs and APU.. auxiliary power unit which is a small engine to supply electrical and hydraulic power located in the tail….
    4. many ground support vehicles and equipment at airports are now electric or hybrids…

    it’s an industry doing more then most.

    Both the OECD and the UN have criticised the global agricultural industry for not doing enough…

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,431 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    You don’t have draconian measures right now and when it does happen the physical changes will be such that lockdown will seem like very small measures in deed.

    There are very self centered people who believe they inherited the earth to do as they please on the one side and people who believe they hold it in trust for future generations. I hope for the sake of my grandchildren’s grandchildren the problem is addressed but I don’t know if we are at the tipping point yet.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad

    Most politicans are over 40, its hard to convince them to take action that will cost billions, switch over to solar ,wind nuclear power ,

    reduce gas and coal produced energy, when they think in terms of 4 years elections, they people who will have to face the full effects of climate change will be gen z, gen z,s children.climate change happens bit by bit in different places .places like australia ,usa are seeing

    extreme heat, mega forest fires during the summer , worst and more daming fires that are harder to put out .some states in the usa are seeing drastic falls in water supply ,less rain and snow in winter. we,ll have draconian measures because water will be scarce in some countrys, there,ll be more extreme weather like floods or drought. most politicans do not think in terms of 20 to 30 years in the future .our tds can work for 10 years and retire with a large pension.the government is facing rising inflation, a housing crisis, dealing with 1000s of refugees from ukraine, rising energy costs .young people are leaving ireland because of high rents,high house prices.

    i think climate change is not on the high priority list for the government.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭veryangryman

    He also told Mario Rosenstock to "just have a pint and sort it out with his dad". I don't think the man understands complex issues