If/when we "run out of time" to fix the planet, will we still have the draconian measures

veryangryman

MM said last week how we can't waste one single second more on this. Lets assume we wasted 6 in the meantime.

Are we ok to accept that regardless of whose fault it is we can't fix the planet and get on with what's left of our lives. A bit like skipping Chemo to enjoy what's left of it all?

Would a politician who knows the facts ever admit we are out of time and just shrug their shoulders to say "do what ye like"?

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058272329/if-when-we-run-out-of-time-to-fix-the-planet-will-we-still-have-the-draconian-measures

It would never happen. If anything the politician will have a swipe at going ultra-authoritarian for the time that's left. People become politicians because they're seeking out that power to meddle with the lives of others

SuperBowserWorld

There are loads of politicians like this already who are effectively saying this. Not sure if their is an Irish politician. Maybe the Healy Rae's etc.

ancapailldorcha

Do we really need yet another climate denial thread? Aren't there enough already?

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119891624#Comment_119891624

There is no climate. Have you not ever watched the BBC? Outside the 6 counties we don't even have weather.

dxhound2005

There are 160 TD's, 60 Senators and 949 County Councillors. That is the sum total of politicians. They come and go at the will of the people. Just make sure to get the right ones.

elperello

The chemo analogy is very weak.

Someone facing a terminal diagnosis makes a decision for their own future.

Someone deciding to party in the face of an existential crisis is giving up on the future of children, grandchildren etc.

We're just not built like that.

I blame the people of doggerland , they literally sat on their holes and drowned

japprentice

Two more weeks.

riclad

I think we have maybe 5 years left to change our energy output switch to solar and green energy. The problem is many countrys are under the control of right wing extremist governments. They are unlikely to change the system that keeps them in power and gets them bribes from their cronys for government contracts

Also our present energy supply system is being disrupted by the war in ukraine

What will likely happen is it.ll be gradual process some countrys will be hit by droughts flooding extreme storms or hurricanes

There will be mass migrations as people try to leave countrys that have a shortage of water or extreme heat conditions

The strange thing is we have acess to power like solar and wind energy that could replace most of the present energy sources

Some places will have a lack of water while some citys will be under water as sea levels rise. Itll cost billions to replace our current energy system but the choice is to wait while our planet s ecosystem is destroyed

growleaves

'Some places will have a lack of water while some citys will be under water as sea levels rise.'

It doesn't seem to affect property prices at all. Clearly neither real estate agents, property buyers or property seller believe that e.g. San Francisco will be underwater in five years' time

Nor are Portmarnock, Clontarf, Sandymount house prices etc. affected.

Manach

So the political class claim an emergency and to cede them extraordinary powers to fix the percieved problem. Like that has never had happened before, nor for that matter notiable changes in the climates in that past two millenia prior to the age of Industrialisation.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058272329/if-when-we-run-out-of-time-to-fix-the-planet-will-we-still-have-the-draconian-measures

What about giving up the fags and reducing that radon gas before you get cancer in the first place?

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!

Strumms

business, agriculture and industry are three of the biggest causes of climate change.. yet have you ever heard a politician put a gun to any of those three sectors ? And threaten them ? Nope.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119892197#Comment_119892197

Sure it'll just be another 100% redress nothing less millstone hung around the taxpayers neck to rehouse them, it'll be grand.

Atlantic Dawn

I predict in 20 years we will still have minutes to correct things and 50 years after that we still will. If things are too late and defeat is accepted there will be no environmental cash to tax people with or money for $150k a year scientist jobs working in million dollar portacabins in the Arctic.

riclad

I dont think san fran will be under water in 5 years time, climate change is a slow gradual process ,what will happen is some places will be flooded some places will have a severe shortage of water

the challenge is will we take action to stop climate change every country has different policys and political partys in power theres seems to be no united long term plan of action even among eu nations.

of course if you are a boomer ,over 40 you might not care , eg by the time climate change happens i,ll be gone , its gen z who,ll be left to deal with it.

Furze99

The common sense thing to do: along with modest and slow changes to our power generation model, we should also be investing in mitigation measures. We are a very small state in the context of the world and no point in prostrating/ flagellating ourselves completely. There's a balance, a point where the cost/ benefit curve starts to rise steeply.

So, we will continue to use coal, oil & gas but slowly build up other options inc solar, wind and nuclear. On the mitigation front - ruthlessly ban all development in areas that are suspected to be at risk of flooding, build flood defences where deemed necessary, stop land drainage schemes and seek to restore natural flood plains and land that will absorb and release rainfall more slowly. And we need to control immigration, humans use resources and the more we have, the more work we need to do to mitigate.

tayto lover

Will we get anything extra in our pensions to compensate us i wonder?

kippy

What "Draconian" meansures are you talking about?

In fairness, it's not the the end will be an instant wipeout for civilisation - it will be a gradual increase in climate events that will, over a prolonged period of time lead to much harsher living condidions which we will need to adapt to. It may lead to a planet upon which humans eventually die out - but it won't be "instant".

The "draconian" measures you think are in place now, will pale in comparison to what we will need to do to deal with the consequences of unchecked climate change, unfortunately.

Any things we do to reduce our input into climate change will lengthen the time before events get worse. or reduce the impact of climate change so I don't think theres any logic in "just stopping".

Thelonious Monk

We haven't changed at all, we're consuming more now than ever, flying more, more cars on the roads than ever in Ireland. It is politically impossible to make the changes required, the people will not stand for it. When resources start to become more hard to get a hold of, and crops fail worldwide etc., there'll be no collective effort to remedy the situation, we'll point fingers at others and there'll be wars, loads of wars, and fascist governments. I don't believe for a second it can possibly go any other way.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119892294#Comment_119892294

True. We are parasites.

bodhrandude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058272329/if-when-we-run-out-of-time-to-fix-the-planet-will-we-still-have-the-draconian-measures

I think its just a Pink Floyd translation for 'Time'.

Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Enjoy yourself, you can't do anything to change it. Qué Sera Sera and all that.

Nuclear war is a far more urgent threat right now if you want something to worry about.

Capt'n Midnight

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Martin

In July 1988, during at a lecture at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, oceanographer John Martin stood up and said in his best Dr. Strangelove accent, “Give me a half tanker of iron, and I will give you an ice age.”

If there was some way for rich people to profit from this it would have already happened. FeSO4 is very cheap.

Strumms

The vast majority of people, ordinary citizens, when asked to put their shoulders to the wheel, will and are now.

the majority of businesses won’t, unless instead of getting asked a gun is put to their heads…

general business like farming is a greater catalyst for climate change then aviation, or anything civilians are doing. Yet literally as usual nobody dares to criticise the poor farmers… you NEVER hear of anything farming and climate change related especially of a critical nature. In Ireland, you do not criticise farmers or the industry, just because that’s why. Farming is one of the main catalysts of climate change. Yet are putting on the poor mouth looking for handouts before they’ll do anything.

aviation is constantly attempting to utilise more green ways to do business.

1. aircraft mandated not use APUs until 15 minutes before departure. Crews themselves as I’ve known leave it shut off till much nearer departure.
2. routes planned to minimise fuel burn.
3. Aircraft parking planned so that towing off isn’t necessary. Fuel guzzling tugs and APU.. auxiliary power unit which is a small engine to supply electrical and hydraulic power located in the tail….
4. many ground support vehicles and equipment at airports are now electric or hybrids…

it’s an industry doing more then most.

Both the OECD and the UN have criticised the global agricultural industry for not doing enough…

https://www.oecd.org/agriculture/topics/climate-change-and-food-systems/

Graces7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119892529#Comment_119892529

Well, yes.... in one way or another!

Jim2007

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You don’t have draconian measures right now and when it does happen the physical changes will be such that lockdown will seem like very small measures in deed.

There are very self centered people who believe they inherited the earth to do as they please on the one side and people who believe they hold it in trust for future generations. I hope for the sake of my grandchildren’s grandchildren the problem is addressed but I don’t know if we are at the tipping point yet.

riclad

Most politicans are over 40, its hard to convince them to take action that will cost billions, switch over to solar ,wind nuclear power ,

reduce gas and coal produced energy, when they think in terms of 4 years elections, they people who will have to face the full effects of climate change will be gen z, gen z,s children.climate change happens bit by bit in different places .places like australia ,usa are seeing

extreme heat, mega forest fires during the summer , worst and more daming fires that are harder to put out .some states in the usa are seeing drastic falls in water supply ,less rain and snow in winter. we,ll have draconian measures because water will be scarce in some countrys, there,ll be more extreme weather like floods or drought. most politicans do not think in terms of 20 to 30 years in the future .our tds can work for 10 years and retire with a large pension.the government is facing rising inflation, a housing crisis, dealing with 1000s of refugees from ukraine, rising energy costs .young people are leaving ireland because of high rents,high house prices.

i think climate change is not on the high priority list for the government.

veryangryman

He also told Mario Rosenstock to "just have a pint and sort it out with his dad". I don't think the man understands complex issues

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119896088#Comment_119896088

You raise some interesting points. At the end of the day when it comes to farming, food is a necessity. Flying is not.

I absolutely can not get behind things like cutting down the Amazon so they can export beef. Unfortunately Ireland has already been deforested.

I would love to see an in-depth review of farmland in Ireland. Bad land with poor output that needs tons of fertilisers could surely be put to better use being rewilded. Traditionally there was a reason for rotation and land to be left fallow. Industrial farming does need to take a look at itself. We do also need to consider food security going into an uncertain future. We don’t need tons of fancy ice cream, but we will need more crops instead especially as the climate starts to seriously affect supply lines

It is easier to criticise industries such as the fast fashion industry that in reality aren’t as necessary as agriculture.

BattleCorp

I'll stick my head up above the parapet and say that us (Ireland) making tremendous sacrifices by doing everything to prevent climate change is a waste of time when any good we do is undone multiple times over by China, USA, India etc.

I agree that we do need to change but it's futile while the big guys continue to pollute on a scale way above the levels we produce.

dxhound2005

We can blame our former rulers for all the trees disappearing. They were nearly all gone by the year 1700. We have made good strides in reforestation since independence. We are ahead of England and the North, but behind Scotland and Wales. The 11% does not take account of a further 7% of land area covered by hedges and individual trees.

"Since the foundation of the State, forest cover in Ireland has grown from 1.4% of the land area to the current 11% (or 770,020 hectares), excluding inland water bodies. The current level of forest cover is estimated to be at its highest level in over 350 years (DAFM, 2021)."

j2

Great question, had me nut! If you believe the extinction rebellion type predictions, aren't we already in that position right now? In the sense that China/India/Russia aren't about to stop producing CO2 at any point so the damage will inevitably continue while we run around fretting about our 0.009% contribution to global emissions. I don't believe that we're headed for apocalypse personally and I don't think I'd care even if we were, but we can do precisely the square route of jack sh1t about it here in Ireland anyway, so all our measures are futile regardless of whether we've run out of time or not, but we're still doing them and getting heavier into them. So the answer is yes, we'd have draconian measures and people crying about emissions and building ever more complex and annoying cycle lanes even in a desert hell-scape where the flesh melts off your bones if you're expose to sunlight for 30 seconds.

Mister Vain

The young wans should be out partying while they can instead of throwing soup at paintings and gluing themselves to walls.

Fandymo

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Not while there’s money to be made out of “climate change”

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119892197#Comment_119892197

Look at the Maldives, they’re under so much pressure they’re reclaiming land FROM the sea and building 5 new airports.

The scaremongering is laughable.