Why do we settle for this?

daedal

I wake up and I read the news and I hear another bad story about this country, I try to decipher it and tell myself Ireland isn't that bad but I'm losing the battle, so much so that I've acquired a Canada visa and **** off there in the next couple of months. This is the second time I've emmigrated since 2012, this time will be for good.. I've realised I can build a retirement here. What the **** is going on here? Why aren't young people getting upset about this ****?

Gregor Samsa

Do you think you’re going to wake up in Canada, and the news will be full of positive stories?

Allinall

Why did you come back the first time?

We need more positive people, not whingers.

kirk.

What is going on op ?

Buddy Bubs

Theres crime and poverty and corrupt politicians and high house prices and social welfare scroungers and unemployment and junkies and homeless in Canada too. Enjoy your trip.

igCorcaigh

Honestly OP, if I were you, I would attempt to focus on things that affect you directly. Things that you can control. Forget about the things that you have no influence over.

Bad stuff happens everywhere, all the time. Just be grateful that most of is not happening to you.

Switch off the news. Don't get emotionally attached to media content. Focus on what matters to yourself and those you love. You have a good life here and now.

Nigel Fairservice

I lived in Canada and it was a lovely place to live but bad things happen there too.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817564#Comment_119817564

Theres a local bigwig an out and out c*

Always proclaiming in the press that we need "can-do people"

Mostly in response to criticisms directed at his organization

Strumms

Because young people here it seems are infected by the ATW ( all things woke ) virus… they don’t care, they are educated, no sorry, groomed now not to believe that their birthright citizenship owes them anything or entitles them to anything…they’d rather have a dubious future, difficult to access healthcare system, no public transport system improvements to speak of, an increasing and deterrent-less lawlessness, increasing Q’s and waiting lists for EVERYTHING, falling or stagnant wages and the inability to get on the property ladder… but, “what are we doing to help xyz….?” They eat, sleep and drink woke….these are all fine questions to ask if living under a bridge… which in one guise or another a few in years to come will…

if it’s any consolation I’ve never met a Canadian I disliked and count one as a longtime friend another a friendly acquaintance …. They speak highly of their homeland and quality of life, I think healthcare is getting challenging im told but that aside… Canada seems sweet. The two I mention are from Trois Rivières and the other Toronto.

It’s going to take a hell of a mindset change to get this country back on track. It’s certainly along with many of the population.. left the rails.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817867#Comment_119817867

It's all cause by Woke and Canada is a paradise why do people write nonsense like that? We have the same issues as all developed western societies except our housing issues is worse. Canada is a lovely place but its got the same issues as any wealthy first world democacery, lots of woke culture as well.

The idea of the shinning city on the hill seem to be part of the human psyche.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817867#Comment_119817867

what a most excellent rant lol. Banging on about woke... have you ever been to Canada? They may have the wokest leader of all time, if you think Ireland is woke you're in for a shock with Canada.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817867#Comment_119817867

they are educated, no sorry, groomed now not to believe that their birthright citizenship owes them anything or entitles them to anything

This is the first time I've seen someone complain that the youngsters today aren't acting entitled enough! <shakes fist/>

What a mess of a post. Your pathological obsession with the woke bogyman has led you to believing irrational generalisations of both Irish and Canadian people that are beyond parody.

waterwelly

Another one of these faraway hills are greener threads.

Amazing how these lads keep looking back over their shoulder though.

Larbre34

Settle for what?

Everyone's fate is in their own hands. This Country offers cheap high quality education and rewards hard work with well paid jobs and a pretty safe environment, compared to hundreds of other nations.

If people take responsibility for themselves and take advantage of opportunity, they'll be rewarded.

And let me clear, the smart person does not study IT and work 20 hours a day for Google while living in a box room in suburban Dublin. The smart person learns a transferable skill, a trade like plumbing or electrics and builds a beautiful house on the outskirts of a mid size town where the quality of life will beat anywhere in the World.

Is this a new AH game? "Guess the woe?"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269904/why-do-we-settle-for-this

Canada's lovely. Enjoy it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817867#Comment_119817867

Canada's lovely. Have you thought about moving there?

Ubbquittious

Canada has its own fecking housing crisis just like we do all due to policies agreed upon by the West many years ago. Our money supply depends on a steady stream of people taking out new mortgages and our economy depends on a steady flow of new money being created so these housing crises are hard to avoid without a fundamental reconfiguration of the system.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269904/why-do-we-settle-for-this

canada is on the brink of a banking/housing crash, so.....

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818527#Comment_119818527

Our housing issue is possibly the worst in the whole world for a developed nation.

That is a really big problem. And it looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818615#Comment_119818615

Lots of smart people use their heads to work remotely. Otherwise I agree with your post.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818886#Comment_119818886

....we have a wee bit of narcissism in regards our housing issues, this is in fact a common problem across the world, many developed economies are experiencing more or less the same problem, countries such as canada, Australia, new zealand, sweden, are all more or less experiencing the same problem, and if you think prices are off the walls here, you should check out south korea, whereby in some cities, citizens must take on sizeable mortgages, just to get access to rental markets! i.e. our housing problems are in fact a serious fundamental failure at institutional level, and is quickly becoming a global problem

Furze99

Grand, off you go.

Jequ0n

It never ceases to amaze me how many people fail to seize the opportunities they are given and settle for whinging.

Go ahead and leave and leave the opportunities for me so.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817867#Comment_119817867

Perhaps the OP has room for you in his case.... the bad news for you is that Ireland is never going to go where you would like it, because that is not what the voters want.

Ham_Sandwich

people just like to have a moan and a whinge saying theres problems I do never have toruble just keep to yourselfs and people who go looking for trouble always find it just keep youre head down and you wont have any trouble

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269904/why-do-we-settle-for-this

Out of interest how much local Canadian news to your read in comparison to local Irish new? Most local bad news never reaches the international press. For instance you might of heard of Sepp Blatter as a result of the FIFA scandal, but here in Switzerland we are far more concerned in figuring out what he got up to as one of the principle officers responsible for military procurement. And then there was P26, a group Swiss army officers of decided to taken Switzerland's arrangement to Ireland to move their government to Ireland in the event of a war - they spent millions on acquiring Irish property, garages full of suitable government cars, food stocks and even handed over Swiss military secrets to the Irish defence forces. And yet this hardly got a mention in the Irish press. Bad crap happens in every country and just because don't hear about it does not mean it is not going on. So if that is your criteria for a move, then expect to move again....

As for young people, they live in a country with a strong economy and vibrant beat, so it's the place to be. Yes there are issues such as housing, petty crime etc... but those are everywhere and a large portion of them have had a chance to experience Europe via the Erasmus program etc... so I expect they have a better perspective on what is on offer.

I hope you find what you are looking for, but given your criteria I would not be optimistic.

TheIrishGrover

Seeya

dxhound2005

This seems to be another post where the OP disappears. I was going to let them know about a radio phone in from Canada which I happened to hear yesterday. Callers were raging against high fuel costs, and wanted to have their politicians put in jail.

TheIrishGrover

Isn't Toronto the most expensive place in the world for Realestate at the moment?

Hyperbollix

Ireland's problems arent unique to Ireland. They are the problems of most developed, first world countries where profit is put before people. Now, in the big scheme of things, Ireland isnt even that bad because a lot of the cons of this economic model are offset by governments which do a reasonably good job of redistributing the wealth in society. There are plenty of places that have Ireland's issues plus deep, embedded inequality and winner takes all capitalism.

Are there "better" places to live in? Sure, we could be one of those fabled Scandi states with natural resource wealth on top of vibrant high wage economy where citizens are motivated and largely happy to pay inflated taxes for the greater good.......... but we aren't. But we aren't too bad either and we could be a fúcking hell of a lot worse.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820273#Comment_119820273

Dunno if it's the most expensive in the world, but I hear it's quite expensive. Vancouver is very expensive too.

riclad

i read about the canadian property market , house prices are high .it attracts a lot of foreign investors who need a safe place to spend their money.ireland is suffering from success , plenty of jobs, a safe place to live, but a housing crisis and a shortage of rental units at a reasonable price .canada gets very cold during the winter, energy costs are rising in most countrys right now. i agree with most of the comments above, but our government needs a 10 year plan, build x amount of houses per year, give more money to local authoritys , don,t just build in dublin.

i think canada has many of the problems that ireland has .At least we are part of the eu, the uk is in a state of chaos due to brexit.it turns out leaving the eu is a bad idea for a country that depends on acess to international markets and exports to many eu countrys.

i think you could just google country x news and get bad news about most countrys considering oil, gas,energy prices are rising ,there are still problems with supply chain even if we are in the closing stages of the pandemic. these issues effect canada as much as any other country.

they call it doomscrolling, if you read the news everyday alot of it is bad ,its hard to be optimistic

but i prefer not to give in to all the negative storys.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820273#Comment_119820273

The problem with going to any other Anglo Sphere country is that not only have they the same problem, they have the same basic legal system, political system and mindset as to what the solution should be.

Real Donald Trump

Hate to break it to you Op, but Canada is way more woke than Ireland, in fact it's even worse than California.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119821944#Comment_119821944

The OP didn't give out about woke

Another poster did.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818923#Comment_119818923

I don't think you understand what I mean.

I'm not exaggerating.

On a national level the availability of housing, to rent, is probably the worst in the world of any functioning country.

Go on daft.ie and check yourself how many rentals are available across the entire country and in each county.

Cork City Popn 220k, rentals 35 units

Limerick County Popn 205k, rentals 25 units

Kildare County Popn 247k, rentals 41 units

Ireland Popn 5,065k, rentals 1079 units

It's completely broken on a national level. That is definitely an achievement others will find hard to match.

The irony is that while there have never been more jobs available in certain sectors, getting employees to fill them is becoming impossible when they have nowhere decent to live.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/this-is-the-worst-ive-seen-it-in-my-life-maternity-hospital-staff-shortages-at-critical-point-as-cost-of-living-takes-its-toll-42112477.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/1028/1331821-teacher-shortage/

maninasia

Are you trying to claim Irish people don't pay inflated taxes? There's a lot that would disagree with you.

Cool Fool

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Cool Fool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269904/why-do-we-settle-for-this

Having a look at your posting history you seem constantly overwrought with everything from pvc windows to burgers to the weather to boards.ie etc etc

Is your diet ok? Perhaps you are masturbating too much or not enough? Are you properly hydrated?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819070#Comment_119819070

no thanks ;) I’ll stay put, seemingly discernible democratic machinations might be less prevalent here now but I apparently have that choice to stay where I am 🤪

Ireland is not going to where I’d like it anytime soon yes… but the future roadmap is often drawn courtesy of the evident mistakes / problems of the past. What’s happening now…

we don’t have to look very far to see what can happen when people say ‘enough’… rightly or wrongly. That’s our choice.

Graces7

I have family in Canada and I send them food parcels. The cost of living out there compared with here is shocking and as for the benefits system... Some had their homes smashed in the hurricanes and were in emergency accommoadtion for six weeks then had to pay,,, they pay less in motels than they had to on emegency accommodation

And yes re not obsessing re news. I have no TV etc for that reason. I check online a couple of time a day is all

Oh family sent me this laptop and msn shows the Canada news! NO WAY would I advise Canada,

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818615#Comment_119818615

Canada wont be taxing you fifty percent over a pittance of an income. It's far more vast, cosmopolitan and open minded...

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820768#Comment_119820768

Yeah, I think you are right. I think it s actually Vancouver I meant. I know it wasn't the OP, it was another poster who bemoaned the "Rise of the woke" (Grooming, they emphasised) and all things "What about the locals?"....... Boy, they say they were in Canada before... Really? They must have had some SERIOUS blinkers on as, by their "definition" of "woke", Canada is, and always was, "woke".

And I know I have used that half-baked, ill-defined, catch-all, lazy term three times in one post and I hate it. It is such a cynical, intentionally broad term.

A friend of mine moved to Canada about 5 years ago. He does like it. He has a nice house (He had a nice apartment here too which he sold). A family and a good job. Yes, his money is better and some things are cheaper but some are MUCH more expensive. His house is bigger than his apartment, sure. But he's not living/working in or near the capitol or similar His town of about 40K is about 2.5 hours from Toronto. Utilities and essentials are very expensive. I have been over to visit and found it pretty expensive, that's for sure.

Now my friend is beginning to spiral down the YouTube/fox"news"/Facebook rabbit-hole. Becoming more and more right-wing - and vocally so (Which is why I have had reduced contact with him over the last few months. Each to their own but don't try to convert me. Conversations ALWAYS seem to eventually shift to immigrants (The stuff they get that I don't!!!) or Trans rights or, of course "Liberal Media". I have my own opinions on these and others. I just want to know how your wife and daughter are doing, man). But, as a result, that is his biggest gripe with Canada... This perceived "Rise of The Wooooooooke". Even though his Canada-born-and-raised wife has tried to tell him "Nope, this is the way Canada has been since I grew up. Maybe more migrants but that's the world over"

So Ireland has its problems. Of course it does. The UK is just as bad. An imploding government and Brexit woes yet to manifest totally. The US tearing itself apart by hate and partisanship at all levels of society. A country that (always) hates and abandons its disadvantaged. There is no utopia. In the words of Kyle Reese 😀: "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves"

"The grass is always greener" is an old old ooooooooooooold phrase for a reason. 2000 years ago people were saying the same thing. 2000 years from now they will still be saying it

Swaine

Amazes me how the young folk of Ireland reacted to the death of George Floyd but not a peep out of them when actual issues are affecting them personally. Protests for some criminal thousands of miles away but nothing when they essentially are being screwed over by their government.

Strange.

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823490#Comment_119823490

Rte have them brainwashed...

BattleCorp

Yiz are all bollixes. Don't mind them OP.

The streets of Canada are paved with gold. Canada has absolutely no social problems or any other kind of problems. It's unique in that it's the only perfect country in the world and doesn't have even one of the problems we have.

Sure everyone knows that the grass is always greener on the other side.