NI Dec 22 Assembly Election

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619750#Comment_120619750

Another assembly election might well clear the air and facilitate progress. Would SF be in favour of this though? As it is, they are in a favourable position even if little can be done.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619767#Comment_120619767

No idea if they would. And no idea why it should matter.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619750#Comment_120619750

Another General Election?

How would that impact Stormont though?

Indeed, but the 2 major parties cant even sit together in their national government. So i wouldnt hold much hope for change there and they would have to agree something.

What would they agree?

meeting isnt going to solve anything.

political analyst

Why are NI Assembly and local council election votes still not counted overnight immediately after 10 PM on polling day?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620053#Comment_120620053

Because that's expensive and unnecessary

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619727#Comment_120619727

https://youtu.be/j2q3q1mJBaM

this is it.

Seth Brundle

^^^ that's rather pitiful but it was good that he was called out on it.

Mod: I deleted a below standard post.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620202#Comment_120620202

He makes quite a reasonable point I would have thought, in the context of this new shared island vision. Historically it's not something that might have bothered unionists overly when the boot was under the other foot, but this is now and we have new standards do we not? Bit of a sour puss on the lady sitting beside him.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620342#Comment_120620342

When unionists were in charge, they gerrymandered local councils, didn't have a universal local franchise and abolished STV.

It is a 7 seater constituency, so quite proportional, and of course the unionist did win a seat likely with some help from nationalist transfers, they could campaign for such transfers instead of aggravating everyone else with Brexit nonsense and the like.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620202#Comment_120620202

The cognitive dissonance at work in his head needs to be studied by scientists

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620831#Comment_120620831

Yes that was then, this is now.

When did two wrongs make a right in this brave new Ireland we're supposed to be looking to embrace?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621145#Comment_120621145

What was the second wrong?

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621172#Comment_120621172

I think putting up candidates for election is a wrong in some people's view.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621145#Comment_120621145

How is people fairly getting elected a wrong? How is it in anyway comparable to gerrymandering? Why are you anti democracy?

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620064#Comment_120620064

Overnight vote-counting takes place in the rest of the UK. So why shouldn't it take place in NI?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621229#Comment_120621229

Because it is expensive and unnecessary...

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621145#Comment_120621145

If you think stacking a constituency is morally equivalent to gerrymandering, then Northern Ireland is far from being part of any "brave new Ireland" you sarcastically refer to; in multi seat constituencies it's quite normal to have multiple candidates from the same party - but it speaks to resting paranoia that of course, it must mean shenanigans in this instance. Is it over the top to have that many candidates? Yeah, maybe, it was a pretty aggressive move. Asserting anything nefarious is hyperbole.

Ferm001

Have to say SF’s vote management this election was brilliantly done.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621470#Comment_120621470

Except in the areas where they left seats behind due to not running enough candidates!

FrancieBrady

Officially the largest party in Local Government for the first time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-65655547?at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_id=FB6AD616-F734-11ED-9998-EA70AD7C7D13&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_format=link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_origin=BBCNews

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621261#Comment_120621261

Why would it be expensive and necessary in NI but not in the rest of the UK? How can what's OK in GB not be OK in NI? After all, NI is part of the UK.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620202#Comment_120620202

more people vote for one party than another and therefore the party that loses (The DUP) doesnt like this idea of people actually voting. feck that oul democracy

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621544#Comment_120621544

It remains expensive and unnecessary in GB too. That somewhere else wastes money is not a reason to start

Sam Russell

Overnight counting is expensive when the voting system is STV with multiple seats. FPTP is simple - count and largest pile wins.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621708#Comment_120621708

While I do not approve of voting machines, there is scope for automated sorting of ballots with the hand counting being reserved for cases where there is a dispute, which is not the case in most counts. For instance, apparently SF would have gained control of Newry, Mourne and Down council with one more vote, you might need a manual sort in that case.

ittakestwo

SF obviously making huge ground to middle voters. They realise the hardcore nationalist vote has no other option so can appeal to the middle by attending King Charles coronation and come out with "we represent all" and not fear of losing hardcore nationalist votes but instead just taking all the traditionaly more moderate SDLP votes. It would also appear they're taking more than just the SDLP votes from the numbers

On the other hand DUP cant. They see their strategy of being staunch retains vote. The UUP who back the Windser Framework took a hammering. The even more staunch TUV or up and would take alot of the DUP votes should they back the WF so it does not look likely the DUP will change their tune on the WF anytime soon. So no stormont anytime soon either.

So how can we get stormont back? unionists found the Anglo Irish agreement to be unbearable as Dublin had an input to NI affairs. St Andrews agreement says if no government can be formed it will be home rule from london with Dublin input. Perhaps London could give Dublin alot of input to NI to the point unionism prefers stormont.

Unionists say this situation of votes being split between 3 Unionist parties is not sustainable given SF is cleaning up all the nationalist votes. So which Unionist party is going to offer itself to the slaughter? Cant see any doing it. So probably looking good for SF to be the largest party for a long time to come.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622102#Comment_120622102

Or maybe nationalists realise unionism is never going to allow them be equal and are coalescing around one party.

Quitelife

That’s the top party map for all local council elections in the 6 counties. How long more can the DUP keep places Like Tyrone & Derry & Fermanagh for that matter under British rule ??

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120621625#Comment_120621625

It's not expensive to have vote-counting done and dusted at the earliest possible opportunity.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120622334#Comment_120622334

What is the problem? It’s how they decided to do it.