What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122576647#Comment_122576647

To be fair to Bilbao, their ethos is ingrained in the club, throughout their history. Not like Bohs, where it's a modern invention.

Can't really compare the 2 clubs.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122576759#Comment_122576759

Isn’t it obvious? They have the “wrong” principles.

If they were banging an “anti-“ drum there wouldn’t be much complaining, except about the crappy performances which would be blamed on the manager/players.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122576907#Comment_122576907

Completely untrue.

I know from my OH that football clubs, especially local football clubs are a community. Their community means the world to them and they are made up of all types of people with various outlooks on life but with one definite thing in common; their club. They could disagree on everything, but they all turn up and get along because they love their team.

When a club puts out a statement like "Refugees Welcome" or even if they said "Refugees Not Welcome" it reflects on its supporters. Some people won't share those values but feel like they are being tarnished by being involved with the club. A club they have invested time, energy, money and emotion into; in most cases, since they were children.

It's different with a club that was founded on those values, but for a club to suddenly take such a definitive stance on a particular issue which has polarising opinions does a disservice to the people who are dedicated to the club.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122572773#Comment_122572773

So I guess the only way Israel has to make sure it won't be attacked again is kill all Palestinians? Esp the kids, well if they get polio they won't be able to hold a weapon properly anyway, but yeah gotta murder them kids, they could still carry a rocket launcher even with a limp

cms88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122572834#Comment_122572834

Few things are more annoying than the bleeding hearts of hostility owners we hear every second week in recent times.

It's all just take take take by them and they're still never happy.

I seen a post recently claiming pubs are only making something like .17c profit per pint. Trying to claim over a euro of the cost goes on wages! You'd have to admire their confidence to post something like that.

Iscreamkone

Any ceasefire that leaves Hamas in power afterwards would be unbelievable. Such a ceasefire would vindicate Hamas’ actions on Oct 7.

If you support a ceasefire but not the eradication of Hamas then you are a Hamas supporter and you disgust me.

Hamas could end the war tomorrow. They could surrender and return the hostages.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577812#Comment_122577812

Yes I agree. Going back to the October 6th apartheid by isreal and Hammas would almost certainly lead to violent resistance in the future.

Whether it's Hammas in power or not is irrelevant. There will either be a new group to replace them or the Palestinian people will live in an ever shrinking part of the land until they're successfully ethnically cleansed.

The only way they might get peace for both groups is if there's a settlement with equality for both groups.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577893#Comment_122577893

In this settlement of yours - what do you think that the Palestinians would be happy with?

What is their line - if we get to X we will never engage in war/terrorism again??

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577945#Comment_122577945

I don't know. It's never been tried before. I suspect it would take years or decades of negotiation to settle. I wouldn't have a clue how to settle it in a single post.

Do You have a plan for a lasting peace that you could sum up in a post?

2Greyfoxes

The Catholic Church has held back the Irish sense of humour.

Speaking as a none native who has been around the country a lot, and rubbed shoulders with Irish people from various walks of life. I am let with the overwhelming disappointment in how pedestrian the Irish humour is.

Father Ted was the only decent comedy that this land had created, and that was way back in the 90's, and since then nothing has come even close to that as the pinnacle of Irish comedy.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577964#Comment_122577964

I’m not asking you to solve anything.

I’m asking “what would keep the Palestinians happy?”

They have been offered a two state solution previously- but that wasn’t enough.

The problem might be that the Palestinians want it all - “from the river to the sea!”. Thus, every inch you concede to them is an inch closer to their ultimate goal.

csirl

I don't agree with the proposed Two State solution to the Palestine/Isreal situation.

All it will serve to do is polarise people into one extreme or the other. We in Ireland are very acutely aware of the dangers of polarising people who live close together on ethnic/religious grounds i.e. Northern Ireland pre-Good Friday Agreement.

Whatever number of States there are to be in the region - whether its 1,2, 10 or 100, they need to be secular democracies where everyone has equal rights.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577970#Comment_122577970

I don't think "Irish humour" works well in a scripted format. The most humourous conversations and experiences I have had were all off the cuff and I think that a lot (way over-representational) Irish people have a quite unique way of being spontaneously funny, and so offensive that it's inoffensive.

I don't think the Catholic Church has held back Irish sense of humour. In fact, I think our previous reliance and trust in the Catholic Church and the acceptance of how bizzare that was was the catalyst of our humour and definitely the reason we have Father Ted.

The majority of comedies that we love and revere wouldn't be made in the modern day due to the insistance to bow down to so-called progressive people. Even one half of the duo that wrote father ted is no longer available due to his opposition of trans-ideology (also the IT crowd was fantastic, and the one involving a trans character is comedy gold).

The seemingly agreed (and hugely flawed) idea that "punching down" is a thing is the most elitist, racist idea I have seen, but it championed by people who are pretending to be the opposite.

so sorry tldr; Irish comedy, as presented on TV is pedestrian, but I do think that Irish people, as a whole, are one of the wittiest people in the world.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578039#Comment_122578039

For Israel to stop taking land that Palestinians are already using in return for peace. Israel also want it all and eventually they will have the whole state.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577970#Comment_122577970

Father Ted is technically Brittish

Iscreamkone

What the Palestinians really want is to dissolve the state of Israel and send all Jews somewhere else (preferably the after life).

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578039#Comment_122578039

Oh FFS. You don't wany to know what settlement they should reach, you just want to know what settlement they should reach...

I said night don't know any of the specifics. I could make somenup if that's what you want.

The basic elements they will have to have are similar to everything else that gets settled. They'll need a country, independance and equality and the ability to defend itself. It'll also need backing from the West and I presume they'll have to do a civil war between the hardliners and the western backed government who accept the agreement. The usual. But I don't have any specifics.

You didn't say whether you have a neat solution to the whole issue

El_Duderino 09

Controversial opinion

I actually admire the brazen stubbornness of Enoch Burke. He's willing to be imprisoned for his belief. It's just a shame the is so twisted by religion and bigotry that he's totally misdirected.

If he Was fighting for anything worthwhile, he's the kind of person who gets things done in history ala Rosa Parks. Willing to stand against the whole system, even though he knows it can crush him.

And he's a non-violent protestor. Which I admire. Shame he's wasted on anti-trans nonsense.

El_Duderino 09

The Palestinian territory keeps getting smaller and smaller. And when they fight back it's evidence that they're trying to get rid of the Jews. They're getting ethnically cleansed in real time, and being accused of ethnic cleaning.

The lack of thinking is astonishing sometimes.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578610#Comment_122578610

Written by Irish men so not really.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578652#Comment_122578652

I don’t have a solution because I believe that there will never be a middle ground compromise. The Palestinians will keep coming looking for it all (with Iran’s backing). The stronger they become after peace talks, the more they can gain in the next round down the road. They seem to be playing a very long game at the expense of their own people.

2Greyfoxes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578144#Comment_122578144

I'm on about all types of humour, not just written, nor visualz bit all forms of comedy. With the groups I have worked with through my 2 decades of living in Ireland, it has been the English, The Danish, the Portuguese, and the French I have had the most laugh with. The average Irish humour is very lacking I find, it has no bite, no teeth to it.

2Greyfoxes

Not quite, Irish cast, and Irish writers. ot was funded by Channel 4, and from that got a big boost of popularity... which it deserves.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578077#Comment_122578077

One state, one wall and let their sky daddy pick his favourite.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578848#Comment_122578848

Perhaps. I would guess that is because over the last while the Irish have been afraid to offend. More than often our humour came from offending.

Another bleed-in from american culture where it's frowned upon to make fun of people. The punching down/privilege bullshit that automatically shows that you feel that if you aren't a minority you are somehow superior and can't speak ill of the lower people.

It was better a while back. Now it's full of attention seeking tiktok/insta clout-seeking brigade trying to latch onto the next outrage of the day

NIMAN

Those saying us Irish aren't funny obviously haven't seen Alison Spittle.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122579500#Comment_122579500

………

I won't go there.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122576759#Comment_122576759

not cross 😉 and sport is real life, real people, playing, running and supporting…..you support a team, in any sport, you invest time, effort money and emotion in doing so. You’d like that the team and club and indeed supporters to prioritise making decisions that enable sporting success, above everything and not get their heads all fogged up. Principle is organising, to win, in every elite sport that’s the case. ⚽️🏆

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578801#Comment_122578801

Fair enough.

The status quo is Israel doing exactly what you're accusing the Palestinians of doing, with the West's backing.

Not even worth trying a middle of the road solution with equality for both parties, according to yourself. I think that's the only solution, or else Iran or The west backs one to ethnically cleansed the other. I can't speak for you but I dislike ethnic cleaning so I think the we should at least try then only and obvious solution before declaring the situation unworkable.

we've tried backing the Isrealies to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians for decades and it's going well in one sense as the Palestinian territories have shrunk over the decades. Maybe you can take comfort in that? I'm not a huge fan.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122579619#Comment_122579619

The communities and cultures of a club are real and very important to society. The on pitch stuff is the least important part, in my opinion. It's not real life, it's an escape from real life for me as a fan.

It's real for the hundred or so people who work for the club as a career, so its real liife for them, but I'm not employed in a sports club.

I look forward to the matches, speculate on team selection and performance etc. And after the match I go back to living my actual real life. How do you do it, as a fan?