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Sponge25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388639#Comment_122388639

The far left often don't view Stalin as an monster. If you were to have a poll amongst the general populace of who was more evil, Stalin or Hitler, the vast majority would vote Hitler even though Stalin caused more deaths and misery and atleast Hitler didn't randomly purge his own party after the Night of the long knives. (which I would argue was necessary as Rohm was going to cause a civil war or attempt a putsch.) No doubt Hitler was evil but he was no more evil than Stalin or Mao, even lefty favourite Trotsky was an atrocious individual who was up to his neck in blood.

whisky_galore: The left has absolutely destroyed the morals of the West. It has been there plan for a long time to undermine the family. There's evidence of this is readily available with a quick google search so I don't intend to dig it up here.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386231#Comment_122386231

It's tempting to give government extra powers to crack down on protestors you disagree with, but these powers will still be there to use against you if you want to protest.

If people are breaking the law or committing criminal damage then the Guards already have the laws to arrest them. Of course, it might not be practicable during a protest.

You make laws for the bad government, not the good one. A bad government would love the ability to fire rubber bullets at protestors. Make protests illegal in practical terms and then treat protestors as criminals. I doubt you'd be happy about it if you actually got what you're asking for. Effective protest is pretty important and what you're proposing is part of neutering protest against a bad government - which is when we'd really need it.

Iscreamkone

I do not support the Irish rugby team.

I feel that the team is full of private school knobs, northern unionists and mercenaries from the southern hemisphere. Good luck if you feel part of “the team of us” but I have nothing in common with them.

Also Munster supporters who look down on the posh Leinster supporters. Give me a break - pot and kettle come to mind.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388497#Comment_122388497

Not sure where you're getting your information from but Kosovo is 95.6% muslim. Albania is 60% muslim. Turkey is 90% muslim

Having actually lived in the area I can say that they are tolerant societies. And they are not ' All of them are much more intolerant than the European mainstream. '

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388982#Comment_122388982

We dont live in China or Russia, it is just fearmongering to be thinking we are going to get some crazy evil Government in Ireland any time soon, if ever.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389289#Comment_122389289

Let's hope not. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

spacetweek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389020#Comment_122389020

I meant to say Bosnia not Kosovo.

Nowhere in eastern Europe whether Muslim or Christian is as tolerant as the west, that is notable across the region. And organisations have surveyed Muslims on their social attitudes in many countries and none are tolerant by western standards. Read “The Moral Landscape” by Sam Harris for more information.

“I have lived there and it’s tolerant” means your limited personal experience there gave you limited insight. I’d trust nationwide surveys over that.

Rezident

Palestine is not a true State, it is a radical Arab construct to kill the last remaining Jews in the Middle East by any means including sacrificing their own women and children as suicide bombers and human shields just to kill one Jew or even just for anti-Israel PR.

It has fooled whole nations, including Ireland, who think that the Arabs are the oppressed. Only 7m Jews left in the midst of 450m Arabs. It is one of the most diabolical and ingenious plots in history and it is working.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389744#Comment_122389744

Personally I would always take someone's lived experience over various statistics cobbled together by a research team, with no actual experience of anywhere.

a claim was made that No Muslim country in the world are democratic, tolerant societies. There are, I just mentioned the ones I am more familiar with, I'm sure there are others.

Not all Muslim countries are strict Islamic states, lazy and prejudice to suggest it, not just by you in particular.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389755#Comment_122389755

Yeah that's about as clever as anti-Irish propaganda when we were fighting for our right to self-determination.

The British told each other the Irishare savages who just wanted to kill the British, but what we actually wanted was our own country and to govern ourselves and not to be second class citizens in someone else's control. After we got independence it took a few decades to properly normalise relations. But we got there.

What we wanted was equality and independence, not to kill the British.

Dr.Tom

The GAA……

A multi million euro profit generating land owning state funded organization for a sport "played by amateurs and ran by volunteers".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388472#Comment_122388472

I think his treatment of the Jewish people and "undesireables" would have prevented him from getting that title even without WW2, but please do tell me the damage the far left have done in the last 75 years?

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388782#Comment_122388782

*their plan...

Sorry but this is bullshít. For a start, the main parties people elected here are centrist, centre right/centre left. "The actual left" are marginal fringe parties.

You are free to practice your religion, start a family (you get free money for having a kid), incentives for married couples.

Show me how it's being destroyed.

cms88

If marriage was the other way around ie the woman had to propose, would end up losing almost everything if it didn't work out it would be very interesting to see how high marriage rates would be.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388782#Comment_122388782

Do you have any evidence that the far left don't see Stalin as a monster or do you just believe everything that you like the sounds of on social media? Most people would consider Hitler worse and there's reasons for this, one of them is Hitler killing millions of Jews is more well known to the general population than Stalin killing millions of his own people.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390795#Comment_122390795

Plus as well, polling on who is the most evil is just very opinionated and arbitrary. Like definitively saying one party is the most evil is just an awkward thing to define. Go to one region and you're likely to get a different result because the impact on the region is more recognised by the people there. Such a vote result doesn't translate to people viewing other parties as not evil.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390893#Comment_122390893

Yeah, Seriously.

A: Which is worse, Stalin or Hitler?

B: erm, probably Hitler.

A: you don't view Stalin as a monster!

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122391118#Comment_122391118

Honestly, it reminds me of the posters who excitedly say "Hitler was a socialist", there's an agenda and it's pretty dodgy.

spacetweek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389755#Comment_122389755

Palestine with Arabs in it has existed for more than 2000 years, since the biblical exodus I believe, right up to the point where Israel was created right in the middle of it without any consultation. It seems to me that most of the reason for Western support for the creation of Israel was because most of those countries had always unfairly accused their Jewish minorities of being troublesome and were glad for the opportunity to see them leave.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora#:~:text=In%20722%20BCE%2C%20the%20Assyrians,in%20the%206th%20century%20BCE.
Palestine certainly doesn’t exist just to piss off Jews, it has a very long history and its own distinct culture.

Sponge25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390403#Comment_122390403

I meant without the treatment of the Jews and "undesirables" etc. Damage the far left have done, wokeism for a start. They have lobotomised the youth of the West.

silliussoddius

Reducto ad woke

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392612#Comment_122392612

You said, " if Hitler had've stopped at the Anschluss, he'd be considered the greatest statesmen of the 20th century" - his persecutions started long before that. If you take out his invasions and persecutions there's not much to remember him by, let alone make him "the greatest Statesman of all time".

You didn't say "damage", you said "heinous crimes". And wokeism is as broad a term as you can get not to mention divisive and not even close to being a synonym for "far left", but again: if would depend on what specific acts you're refering to as "heinous crimes". "Lebotimis[ing] the youth of the West" is a bit too figurative to be considered.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392612#Comment_122392612

Can you clarify, what aspects of Hitler do you admire? Cause you seem to be a bit of a fan.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388435#Comment_122388435

There is a big class divide, between the people who work and have ambition and the lazy people who want everything for free and refuse to work and begrudge people who have built up wealth for themselves. I despise the former, a bad little crowd of bitter people who blame the Government for all their problems, they will be put in their place soon enough. As for Martin Cahill, he was a piece of dirt, glad he is dead, hardly a hero, slashing peoples tyres is pathetic, the action of someone who never grew up.

Sponge25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392692#Comment_122392692

Most historians agree that if Hitler had've stopped at the Anschluss and didn't commit the prejudicial crimes against the Jews etc. he would've retained the admiration that most Western statesman had for him. He brought a nation out of the depths of despair and depravity and turned it into the most powerful country in Europe in less than four years. People don't understand just how traumatic WW1 and the Versailles treaty were for Germany. Hitler had huge support in the West until the Munich agreement. He went from an absolute nobody in the World War to restoring a great country to its natural place as a great power in Europe in an extremely short period of time, if that isn't great statesmanship then I don't know what is.

As far what the far left have done to the West, that should be so obvious that i'm not even going to bother discussing it. 'Those with understanding need no explanation, to those without understanding no explanation will suffice' etc. I will just say they have so undermined the traditions, morals and values of the Western world that they pose an existential threat to the continuance of the Western way of life. Universities were once the bastion of free thought, now they're the bastion of lefty thoughtlessness.

eightieschewbaccy: I don't admire Hitler. I love history, especially the periods leading up to the Great War and the end of that series of events in aprox. 1945. I will say though, just because Hitler was evil and commit some of the worst crimes in history that doesn't mean he didn't possess any desirable traits. He had extreme courage under fire and was awarded the Iron Cross. The problem with discussing anything about Hitler is when you point out a single admirable thing about him people accuse you of holding sympathies.

SpoonyMcSpoon

If you stripped away some of the gloss from Ireland and there was a bit of an economic decline (not even on the level of 2009-2013), it would seem that the country has not really developed much over the last 20 years. Close a few businesses, lose a few jobs and all of a sudden people would start to notice that a lot of roads are of poor quality, cycle lanes not really developed, public transport unreliable and dated, architecturally unique buildings not really produced despite the boom of the last 20 years, housing underdeveloped, public amenities lacking and of poor quality, health system terrible etc. Essentially it doesn’t seem like much investment had gone into making the place modern, more liveable and nicer despite the billions upon billions that have flowed into the country.

What I have noticed from going to other European countries is that they are just nicer all round than Ireland is in terms of infrastructure, pedestrianised streets, trams, metros, cleanliness and even with architecture there has been no attempt at developing aspirational and inspirational buildings in the country that you would see in other countries. It all seems to be just under the high house prices and booming corporate tax receipts surface that Ireland is in fact not investing in itself for the modern times and feels very underdeveloped.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393817#Comment_122393817

1 - Exactly how did he do this? What policies and acts are you talking about here? I'm guessing you're not talking about the fascism, so what's he being admired for?

2 - Best sidestep I've see in a while - you don't answer the question because you CAN'T answer the question.

3 - See question 1. And don't answer it with "everyone knows…." or "it's soooooo obvious, duh….."

Sponge25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394047#Comment_122394047

It's not that I can't answer, it's that I can't be arsed answering. I'm not going to spend the next hour formulating a response with evidence that the far left see the family as their biggest threat because if you had any real knowledge of communism or read any far left literature on fundamentals then you would know this. It's for my own sanity really, a simple google search will provide an abundance of evidence as it's a core tenet of Communism (the destruction of the nuclear family).

As for what Hitler accomplished, it's kind of hard to say without sounding like a sympathiser but i'll give it a try.

Hitler was ordered to spy on a party called the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP). He had just returned from the Great War to a country that was bankrupt both morally and fiscally. People who had worked their entire lives lost their entire lives savings, you LITERALLY needed a wheel barrow to carry the money to buy a single loaf of bread that was worth over a billion reichsmarks. The country was extremely traumatised, they were promised a swift glorious victory and received degradation beyond your worst imagination. Debauchery was everywhere, old women had to sell their bodies to put meagre food into the bellies of their loved ones. I could go on and on but it's well documented so I see no need too. Hitler, an absolute nobody, in short order turned this country into the most powerful country on Earth (atleast militarily). He restored dignity, jobs, happiness and order back to the German nation. He achieved what alot of commentators at the time called a miracle. This coming from a man who didn't come from the political class too. The DAP was a fringe party of about 100 losers, he renamed it the NSDAP and turned it into the most powerful party in Germany and became chancellor in the democratic manner proscribed by law. As I said, if he didn't persecute the jews and others and stopped at the Anschluss he would rightly be considered the greatest statesmen of the 20th century. I could go on, but I don't fancy writing a novel.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394180#Comment_122394180

1 - My point entirely. You know you don't know, I know you don't know, we leave this one here.

2 - Doesn't answer my question. I'm aware of the effect the reparations had on Germany - my question wasn't about that, it was about the specific policies and reforms he put in place - or are you not "arsed" about answering that either?

Sponge25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394186#Comment_122394186

You're the one that obviously doesn't know. It's been an aim of Communism since the beginning to destroy the traditional family and associated values. The most infamous demand of the Communist Manifesto is "Abolition of the family". They see the family as the greatest impediment to Communism… You obviously haven't read it.

Between 1933 (the year of Hitlers rise to power) and 1938 wages rose by 19%, unemployment was practically zero and ordinary workers went to the Italian riviera trough the Strength trough Joy programme. (Something absolutely unheard of for working class people) Their economy improved faster than most other countries coming out of the Great Depression and the populace was happy. I'm not an expert on the specific policies that enabled the growth but it was because of policies Hitler introduced. There was a system of promissory notes but i'm not entirely familiar with how it worked as it's not my area of interest.