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Honda Civic e:HEV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ddcluracan


    That seems to be a dodgy excuse, Japan is RHD and use kph. Whatever the reason it is obvious the Irish market is fairly down the food chain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 shabaranks


    Funny you mention it because the Niro PHEV and the new Prius PHEV just announced were also on the list. The point for me is to try to find some value out there when the price tag on most new cars seems to have jumped two generations in one, and second hand prices remain 'unattractive'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    "retail for high €40's"

    Currently driving an ID.3 but I loved my Hondas, having owned 10 Civics and 3 Accords since 1996. But near €50K for a Civic is just insane. The fact that people are considering paying that just demonstrates how desensitized people have become to the crazy prices cars are at the moment. As a hybrid, it will probably only do about 55mpg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Would it not be a bit mad to spend €40k+ on a non plugin hybrid when there's 400km EVs for that money? At €30-35k fair enough but there's some good EV options now.

    The new Civic sounds like a lovely car but I don't quite get the "not ready for electric" in 2022. Obviously it doesn't suit everyone but if you can charge at home and aren't a sales rep driving around Ireland all day then an EV should work for most people, this isn't early days Leaf where you're doing 90kph to make it home at the end of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jasper79


    Yes. This. For low to high 40k there are some good evs same power and spec as the civic and lower cost to run. I do like this gen civic and been waiting for its release in Ireland but that pricing if/when official just won't make sense to most people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Especially as it is not even fully electric. If it was fully electric with a big range then maybe it might be worth that as the new Renault Megane has gone up a good bit in price to but at least its now fully electric.

    Big mistake from Honda but maybe they just do not want to sell them here anymore.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    On the UK Honda site, the Advance with nothing extra added bar metallic paint, is coming in at £35,000, which would suggest around €47,000 here. It doesn't seem to have much more in the line of extras over my basic ID.3 life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ddcluracan


    Ok, I know I am not the average commuter but the decision is not quite so clear cut. It really depends on cost of finance versus cost of fuel/electricity and also availability. Earlier this year I tried to buy an EV. I received grant money after doing a Retrofit on my home. My daily commute varies from 160km to 250km. 75% of which is motorway. Considering that to preserve battery life, one should charge to 80% regularly, you could lose 20% range due to weather conditions and there is no workplace charging. I determined that the WLTP range of the car should be 500km. When I ordered an EV6 the price was 52,650 (incl dealer charges and delivery). But of course it was delayed and the price went up. I cancelled the order.

    Now I hear the Civic will be priced between 40 and 45K. Lets assume after dealer charges it will be 47K. My down payment was going to be 20K. Assuming a 5 year loan at 4.9%. The EV unit rates are from Bonkers.ie this morning, existing customer using Electric Ireland day/night tariff. The fuel prices were at a forecourt I saw yesterday. The consumption figures are not official. I raised them to take account of motorway driving. Except for my existing diesel car which is accurate. The Actual cost row means the cost of the car loan after the saving in fuel costs. At the moment there is a 42 Euro difference per month between getting a hybrid or an electric car. The electric car just wins right now. But if you have to wait a year for delivery? What will happen to fuel and electricity prices then? And/or interest rates?

    Screenshot of EV cost spreadsheet.png

    What conclusion to take from this? It's a really bad time to need a new car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just shows, despite some people clambering for introducing further disincentives for ICEs in order for EVs to be more attractive proposition for more people, EVs are currently significantly incentivised in Ireland. If you compared like for like, a €45k Civic would cost in the region of €35k if incentivised in the same way as an EV. If equivalent priced EVs were in ready supply they would fly out the door like hot cakes. So a ready supply of reasonably priced EVs is the primary obstacle against further EV adoption in Ireland not the current level of incentives which are primarily subsidising manufacturers for peddling larger extremely expensive EVs in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    This is more about the new Civic being priced high in the market vs other ICE cars.

    Especially with Honda coming to the party with a 2 litre 180 bhp engine.

    Then it is about EV incentives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 shabaranks


    Not ready for electric for the very reason you mention. 33% of my driving are long trips from the south to Dublin /Belfast / Sligo etc. The ability to fill up with fuel in 5 mins and be gone vs the hope for the best Charger situation when you don't have time to plan remains a negative for me. Also if I'm on a motorway I'm doing 120 not hypermiling along. Zero issue with the concept of electric, its just a fuel source, but the practicalities have draw backs for someone like me.

    I've drawn a line under the Civic at this stage. Spoke to a different garage Friday, with the colour of your choice and dealer add on's this will be €50k retail.Just crazy money for what it is, plus real world reviews of motorway MPG less than stellar. Likely to go down the PHEV route with the Niro looking like a decent option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    That's it. This is not about ICE vs full electric. It's about value for money. If you are in the market for an ICE car, you can get a hell of a lot more car than a Civic if you are spending 50K!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I remember when I bought my Civic GT S spec in 2017, they were great value, considering they were fully loaded. Think the list price here was around 31K but iirc they could be bought for 28K or so. Same spec in UK was I think about 28K sterling, which was more expensive after conversion at the time.

    For the hp and spec there was little could touch it here at the time, pity if all that is going to change..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭elgicko


    I rang a Honda garage in the summer, can't remember which one, I was interested in the new civic, they told me they were "retiring" their Honda dealership, due to lack of innovation, sales and price of new cars, chap (nice lad) told me the new civic would be 50k. I couldn't believe it! I was expecting 35k.

    I bought a 2013 diesel civic (high spec), low Kms in the UK in 2017 for about 10k all in, still have it, reliable, efficient car!

    I switched tack and ordered a new MG4 (full electric) in October for €29.5k, I will keep my current civic as well.

    Can't justify 50k for a civic folks!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Wow the money for these seems mental if it’s what’s being touted at over 45k. All reviews seem great and from what I can see it is basically what an accord would be if it were still here.

    I just don’t see how they can sell this here with the civic name when it looks like it has moved up a class. People will see the name and compare it to the golf and focus etc. By all accounts it is better than both but that won’t matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 dmb2022


    I also called into Clonskeagh Motors a few weeks ago and saw the new Civic in the Elegance trim. I was told that there is three trim levels, Elegance, Sport and Advance. The base Elegance model in the showroom was over EUR46K. I was told the Sport would be EUR48/49K, and that the Advance would be at least EUR51K (this is the only model coming to Ireland). He is getting these cars from the UK as the Irish distributor is being very slow in launching the car here. I couldn't believe these prices so I rang another Honda dealer to sense check these, and he seemed to think that these would be in line with what would be the official distributor pricing. The new Civic has been launched in Germany where the Elegance starts at EUR32.9K and the Sport is around EUR37.9K. Not sure how Honda Ireland could ever stand over the above pricing - even with the general increase in car prices across the board. I have had 2 Civics up til now but if I was spending EUR51K on a car... it would not be a Civic. By contrast I went to a Toyota Garage and they quoted me EUR37.7k for a Corolla 1.8 Hybrid GR Sport trim, which is the Civic's closest comparator as they are both "self charging" hybrids. Even the 2 litre Corolla only comes in at just over EUR39k. The dealers seem to be going nuts with the lack of supply - the H-RV still isn't available here and I was told that it would start at EUR48k if/when it arrives. I wouldn't be surprised if Honda disappeared from Ireland at this rate. All a bit disappointing!! Though interested to hear what prices the distributor finally comes up with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    I actually feel sorry for dealers, Honda is finished in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    €46k starting price for a Civic really is taking the Mickey. Hybrid or not, it should not be that expensive in comparison to other countries in the EU. I know we have different VRT, Duty, VAT, dealer margins and blah, blah, blah that push up prices here but that figure just looks like the Treasure Ireland effect of "what the market will bear".

    Until the car buying public in this country collectively refuse to pay these inflated prices (not just to Honda, but all manufacturers), then this situation will continue. I know it won't happen though as everyone seems to love the idea of a shiny new car in the driveway at any cost these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Part of the issue is that it looks (to me) as if the Civic is creeping up to the next size up in terms of design and engine.

    The new one very much reminds me of an old school Avensis or Mondeo size hatchback.

    Plus its a 180 bhp 2.0 as standard.

    If they called it an Accord it would get away with this pricing even if exactly the same car.

    Especially with the reviews it's getting which give the impression of something a step up from pretty much most ICE cars out there that aren't a plug in.

    Edit - yes the pricing is too high for a traditional Civic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I see the current HRV isn't on Honda Irelands site either

    Totally bizarre



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    I could be wrong, but it doesn't look and bigger than the last Civic, certainly not as big as the Accord anyway.

    Edit: New Civic 4551x1802 mm (LxW)

    Current Civic 4518x1799 mm (LxW)

    So it's 33 mm longer and 3 mm wider.

    Post edited by Comer1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭Tech_Head


    If this is the interest they are showing at launch, imagine what it would be like if something went wrong.

    I really did think they were on to a winner but the price and lack of interest are just too much for me to put my faith in Honda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭Casati


    By comparison a Skoda Octavia is 4689mm long by 1829 wide. The last Civic saloon is 4648mm - so the new one is clearly not Accord sized, but it is Accord priced. Honda seem to have lost all sanity with pricing - a new base model Jazz with hubcaps and a 97ps engine is €31k on the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Comer1


    I'm starting to wonder is this car going to be on sale in Ireland at all now🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    At that price I doubt it. A pity, I always like Honda, but I would prefer a Model 3 with some change in my pocket..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 dmb2022


    Now that a Tesla Model 3 starts at 44,900, I feel sorry for the person that paid 46,800 for that entry level Civic in Clonskeagh Motors! Something for the distributor to think about... especially if there is going to be an EV price war!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭Tech_Head


    Agreed. I’ve given up on it at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 The Headwind


    Long time Honda driver here. Was hoping the Civic would be here by now. Looks like it’s going the same way as the HRV and we won’t see it. Time to give up on Honda. How much longer can they stay in the Irish market with no new models coming in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭Tech_Head


    Not long I’d say. I drove past the dealer in Mahon during the week and you wouldn’t think it was a Honda garage at all - didn’t see a single Honda in that section. There was no one there the last time I called up to ask about the Civic either.

    They still have some used Civics in front of their Silversprings dealership but still mostly other brands.

    Would be concerned about parts availability afterwards if this is their efforts at selling a new car.

    Had been promised by a dealer that I’d get an update from them in November and still waiting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 The Headwind


    Same here. Last time I was in a Honda dealer the showroom was full of used cars except for a new CRV.



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