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New Italian government with fascist roots

  • 26-09-2022 9:16pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭


    The new Italian government is right wing and the main party in it has fascist origins. The media is quick to state the lead parties roots but that shouldn't be a big issue to us in Ireland as one of the parties in our government has fascist origins too. So why the big issue over this?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But she's not fascistic.

    She's at most, centre-right - albeit more centre-right than we'd expect in Ireland and the UK.

    But if you examine her positions, there's nothing that could be described as radical or extreme. Sometimes we may disagree with her policies, but that doesn't mean she belongs to Neo-Nazism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,964 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Working class woman leading a working class party.


    Bit of a stretch to pretend they are a fascist movement in any shape or form. What their grandparents did is not relevant to now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Election season, isn't everyone either a fascist or a communist these days?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    One of Europe's largest countries electing a fascist is a matter of huge concern. Of course, conservatives will downplay this as much as possible.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    Seems that anyone that isn't 'far left' is described as 'far right' and vice versa. Shame to see national broadcasters like RTE and BBC continually sow such political tribalism.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    She's not a fascist.

    Let me repeat that: she is not a fascist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Regardless at the labels thrown at her, I would like to know why people voted this way? Any analysis there?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    It would seem that any deviating from the Guardian newspaper's letter page might acquire the sobriquet of Fascist/Alt-right etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,321 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I don't she here lasting too long. No Government in Italy lasts long because the whole country is a right mess and so badly run. She can make all the promises she wants but facts are she will not be able to do half of them. Italy just in too much debt and the markets do not trust lending to it. We had the Piigs in the 2008 economic crash well the next one will have a UK and I anyway. I wonder who else will join them and what the acronym will be?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭thegame983


    This.

    'Far right' basically just means 'normal' in 2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The UK is royally fucked and there is a good chance the IMF will come calling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭thegame983


    People don't want endless dingys full of african migrants arriving on their shores



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It's the old Eurosceptic that gets them every time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Italy's place in the EU has always seemed temporary. The country's a mess. Always has been. It's always teethering on the edge financially which is a problem for us being in a currency union with them.

    It's great for Germany though. The more financially delinquent countries the better as that keeps the currency down which helps their exports.

    Until Italy needs a bailout of course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Always laugh when people say low euro will benefit countries that export stuff.

    Isn't it great that countries are exporting stuff and not sitting on their holes selling houses to each other at crazy prices, creating no actual value, forcing their kids to emigrate as they can't even afford to rent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Where did the "ALT-RIGHT" boogeyman go that everyone was busting a blood vessel over a few years back?

    That man is single handedly responsible for 99% of the leftist governments that put us in the horrid crisis we are in right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,321 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes it sure is and they have Lizz Truss to thank for that.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Another party elected on immigration matters.


    Great to see.


    Hopefully another one next.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,321 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes the EU might be better off without Italy and Italy might finally sort there crap out if they leave. Saying that do it would be sad if it happened and it would be seen as a failure by the EU and for the Euro so that would not be good for the EU or for us.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,475 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I think accord to some… anyone who is seen to be of the opinion that mass immigration is a bad thing for Europe and it’s citizens now equals a fascist. 😵‍💫🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I'm not really seeing how it's facist and I have seen them described as such. I think the meaning of fascism has changed and it just means right wing. Everyone should calm down the likelihood is that they will be gone in a few months.

    It probably shouldn't but the focus on God and family always makes me nervous. It generally isn't as wholesome as it sounds or should be.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Seeing Berlusconi to the fore in Italian politics again.............



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,201 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Ursula has vays ov dealing vit deese kinds of situvations, I hear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    Italy will be big trouble in the next decade due to the age of its population, which is the second oldest in the world. They've also had one of the lowest birth rates in Europe for the last 30+ years.

    This brings numerous problems, lower numbers in the workforce which means less people adding to the economy which turns into a vicious cycle as a slower economy has less employment opportunities and in turn leads to a brain drain as young people emigrate.

    With less people working it also means less people contributing to pension funds whilst simultaneously more people than ever will be claiming pensions. An aging population, coupled with increased longevity bring other problems such as increased health care costs and huge strains put on hospitals, many of which already have staffing shortages.

    This has been forecast for a long time now and with a number of European countries in a not too dissimilar boat, I'm not sure how it's going to pan out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭jace_da_face


    Let's not forget Italy developed to be a hugely successful manufacturing hub after the Second World War. The industrial triangle of the north was the European workhorse. The Italian economy was more competitive than Germany's throughout the nineties. But then the Euro happened. And that's when Italy's current problems began.

    Let's hope the new Italian leader is not as right wing as Rodger Waters when it come to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Seems some posters here want an extreme form of political correctness to be used when talking about fascists. ie. that fascists shouldn't get called fascist, in order to spare the feelings of the fascists.

    These posters hate straight talking, they're tell it like it isn't merchants.

    It's pure snowflakery.

    Fascists like Meloni and Salvini are fascist. Call them what they are. Tell it like it is.

    Here's historian Michael Beschloss:

    https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1574458620477149191

    New Italian PM says “we will never be slaves…at the mercy of financial speculators.” Sounds just like 1930s in Italy and Germany. No thanks for the memories.


    Mussolini enjoyed publicly referring to Jewish people as “financial speculators” who needed to be controlled.


    When a Fascist leader speaks, whether in Europe or America, never brush aside what you are hearing as meaningless rhetoric. Do not fail to learn from the history of the 1930s.


    History of the 1930s shows that fascist leaders in the United States have been very eager to link up and pool resources, often in secret, with fascist leaders in Europe. Monitor carefully and beware.


    And please never take it at face value when and if fascist leaders in America or Europe tell you that they have no personal or political animus toward Jews or other minority groups in society. Too many examples in history tell us the opposite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Not up on Italian politics what part of the manifesto contains fascist language ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,318 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The problem with her is that she is an outsider, shes not been in the golden circles before and might actually stand for the ordinary Italian person.

    while people are quick to label her as far-right nobody is putting forward any policies that are backing up that statement.

    Curbing immigration might be the one thats hearlded as being far right but people dont seem to have a problem with Australia, Nz, USA, Canada etc etc etc when they put barrier to immigration in place.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    She doesnt like the immigrants, which means she's Hitler



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