Why do closed businesses in Ireland never put up a sign on their website they are closed?

jetsonx · 24-09-2022 5:44pm #1

Why do permanently closed businesses in Ireland never put up a sign on their website that they're closed?

In other words, why do they pretend that there're still trading when they're not.

Or, this this just another example of the "cute hoor" culture in Ireland.

gameoverdude · 24-09-2022 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264718/why-do-closed-businesses-in-ireland-never-put-up-a-sign-on-their-website-they-are-closed

They can't. If they go into liquidation they're website is taken.

jetsonx · 24-09-2022 5:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659952#Comment_119659952

I'v never heard of that. Do you have a link?

callaway92 · 24-09-2022 5:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659952#Comment_119659952

That’s a bit of a simplistic way of looking at it

Can often be a case of a business wanting to ‘go away quietly’ and come back under the same name in the future, even if they left creditors unpaid etc

NewbridgeIR · 24-09-2022 5:57pm

Just another example of the casual attitude some Irish businesses have.

Don't answer emails. Don't provide order updates. Don't have items in stock. Don't deliver on promises.

And then wonder why people go elsewhere.

gameoverdude · 24-09-2022 6:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659973#Comment_119659973

Correct. Simplistic. Won't use the same website.

Like car sales places.

callaway92 · 24-09-2022 6:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660005#Comment_119660005

Sorry - I misunderstood your post - you’re correct

Yes exactly that - for the OP - Companies don’t want to ‘advertise’ that they’ve closed basically (unless it’s a retirement etc)

24-09-2022 6:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264718/why-do-closed-businesses-in-ireland-never-put-up-a-sign-on-their-website-they-are-closed

Not really cute hoor as more ingrained gobsh:ttery

BrianD3 · 24-09-2022 6:45pm

Many people are sloppy and everything they do is half arsed. They don't finish what they've started and they leave a mess behind them. Ceasing to trade and not bothering to announce it on their website, social media etc. is the sort of thing they do.

Another possibility is that people feel shame that they have had to close their business so they brush the matter under the carpet. I think this would be a minority of cases though.

gameoverdude · 24-09-2022 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660136#Comment_119660136

This is an interesting point about shame.

How many people try and fail. Lots I imagine.

In America it seems to be celebrated. Fair play and I actually agree. Give it a go if you're confident in your business. Different laws though.

Furze99 · 24-09-2022 6:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264718/why-do-closed-businesses-in-ireland-never-put-up-a-sign-on-their-website-they-are-closed

Just not a priority, especially if they were more of a bricks & mortar business. Some now think that all revolves around the internet and websites and an increasing amount of business is done there. But for many small businesses, the physical place of trading is where things happen. The website is just a casual after thought, probably funded by a LEA ecommerce grant or whatever.

24-09-2022 9:41pm

I'd bet this happens in any country.

gameoverdude · 24-09-2022 10:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660172#Comment_119660172

ITs a domain that's related to the business. A liquidator gets that as well

Dodge · 24-09-2022 10:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659977#Comment_119659977

These are business that have failed and you think they’re worried about people going elsewhere? Ha ha

jmcc · 24-09-2022 10:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264718/why-do-closed-businesses-in-ireland-never-put-up-a-sign-on-their-website-they-are-closed

Many websites are outsourced and treated in the same way that print advertising was in the past. They may not be updated over a year. When a business runs into trading difficulties, the website is often the least of its priorities. Just for .COM, there were 3,276,178 new domain names in August and there were 3,145,284 deleted. The website of a business that ceases trading in January might not even be deleted until some time in February of the folliowing year. It depends on when the domain name was registered or renewed and when the business paid for the web hosting. Both of these are typically annual payments. It isn't just an Irish thing. In theory, the liquidator of a business should get the domain name as a business asset but most of them are deleted without being sold.

Regards...jmcc

jetsonx · 24-09-2022 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661368#Comment_119661368

In the cases I'm thinking about, the businesses might have ceased trading 3-4 years ago but there seems to be a deliberate attempt* by the operators to keep their website up and running.

*(Because the hosting fees are still being paid)

jmcc · 24-09-2022 11:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661420#Comment_119661420

Websites can go without updates for longer than that. If a business has ceased trading, the liquidation process can take some time. Businesses might also get taken over and hosting and renewal fees keep getting paid. There are options to renew domain names for up to ten years though most renewals are yearly. If the website development is outsourced then it may be up to the web developer rather than the business to take down the website.

Regards...jmcc

dxhound2005 · 24-09-2022 11:34pm

On rougue trader in England closed down after being investigated by a consumer programme on the BBC. They opened up again shortly after with a slightly different name, and "as seen on TV" as part of their advertising.

Larbre34 · 24-09-2022 11:39pm

Who gives a ****, you're slightly inconvenienced, their present livelihood is gone.

24-09-2022 11:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661278#Comment_119661278

But a business that closes isn't automatically liquidated.

A business that closes because the lease wasn't renewed or the owner wants to retire or whatever might reopen elsewhere or later.

Keeping some web presence is probably much cheaper than trying to recreate the same, it's not like keeping a shop leased on the main street just in case.

Relatives of mine closed a business years ago, but various Web crawlers still list it years after it shut.

Ubbquittious · 25-09-2022 1:06am

Domain could stay registered for up to 10 years

Hosting might be paid for several years as well, all outsourced and forgotten when the place closes. No way to get a refund for it either usually so they don't bother .

Also a lot of the time businesses don't close completely, you'll see places that are gone with years still doing a few small jobs for old loyal customers

Jim2007 · 25-09-2022 1:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659977#Comment_119659977

If I was to walk in and tell you that your place of employment had gone bust and that as of that moment you would not be paid, how concerned would you be about putting up a notice on a website, answering emails etc?

If you were owed money by the firm that went bust, you you be happy to agree to that money being spent putting up notices and following up emails etc rather than paying you?

You have no idea of what happens in a liquidation.

NewbridgeIR · 25-09-2022 9:44am

@Jim2007

”Don't answer emails. Don't provide order updates. Don't have items in stock. Don't deliver on promises.” - these are all issues that I have experienced with Irish businesses that are trading normally.

Obviously in a liquidation situation, I wouldn’t expect staff to answer emails.

Donald Trump · 25-09-2022 9:50am

It's a bit like asking why doesn't a dead person change their status on Facebook to inform people they are dead

If the business is closed then it's gone. They're not going to be paying someone to update their website.

walterking · 25-09-2022 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662152#Comment_119662152

I've experienced that with UK and German sites.

You will always experience more of that in your own country as national websites will have far more priority.

Furze99 · 25-09-2022 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661278#Comment_119661278

There's many a business just closes - no liquidators involved. That's the proper way to close a business - pay off all creditors, settle any amounts owed to staff and just close. As pointed out above, websites for many are just an extension of advertising. Would you pay any attention to an advert in last years paper?

The OP must have a specific case in mind though, where perhaps a business has stated it's closed with bills outstanding but continues to trade online?

The Nal · 25-09-2022 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660136#Comment_119660136

We're very sloppy and half arsed about all aspects of IT in this country. Even really simple things like opening times and Google reviews. The first thing you see when you google them.

Lets not even get started on cyber security. Years behind where we should be.