Former left wing utopia Sweden turns Right Wing

John Doe1 · 14-09-2022 10:35pm #1

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902

Is it because the Swedes have just become massive racists randomly in the last few years?

Or perhaps just as a logical reaction to being at the coalface of the multiculturalism experiment for a decent amount of time?

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 10:41pm

Well this will be interesting to watch. The problem people are faced with is voting Right even when they are not due to Government failures and not protecting its citizens. I was amused seeing Liberals on the list as right wing. See either with us or against us.

dotsman · 14-09-2022 10:43pm

It's just a natural response to years of failed left-wing policies. Not unlike Tump in the US etc. Ultimately, courtesy of (anti-)social media, the centre/moderate voices are getting drowned out in favour of far-left/right.

thegame983 · 14-09-2022 10:47pm

This is why it's important to not give people a choice when it comes to immigration. They will ultimately vote against it.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 10:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620011#Comment_119620011

Well not really. If you said Immigration with proper checks visas point system actually need for the skills most people will be fine.

Miadhc · 15-09-2022 12:13am

Italy next. The far right are nailed on to win the election next month.

screamer · 15-09-2022 12:19am

Far right is going to sweep across Europe, not here though, we seem to be very far left…. For the moment. It’s pretty easy to understand really, when people see their standards of living dropping. Even Brexit was really of the right sided school of thought, protectionism, and drive out Johnny Foreigner.

xxxxxxl · 15-09-2022 12:39am

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I think the War in Ukraine is also hardening peoples opinion Some countries responses were terrible. OFC Russia will be Defeated but an enemy at the gates kind of focuses minds. I think it's the last straw the war. Governments to focused on Issues most people don't even think about in a serious way. The Green push has not helped. Pie in the sky with no solutions. Mixed messaging like reduce consumption and open the doors to everyone. The pendulum inevitably swings the opposite direction. Simple stuff like you said standards of living what hits you in the pocket. I don't think it's General Johnny Foreigner it's more like welfare tourists. People actually takeing the P*ss. One thing that is badly needed in the EU is stop funding NGO's were paying them to say were terrible. And if their cause gets fixed their out of a job so not in the interest of fixing it just talking about it. Imagine Refugee NGO's and alike actually spent the money in the countries affected making it better for them at home. It's a mad Idea alright...

creeper1 · 15-09-2022 1:13am

Sweden is lost. So is Western Europe. You can't just try multiculturalism and then decide you want to go back on it because it's not working out. It's a process that cannot and will not reverse. It only ever goes one way.

There is hope for Eastern Europe. Orban is against multiculturalism. However look at the vilification he has received because of that. The facist European Union are doing their best to make sure there isn't a single corner of Europe not enriched.

15-09-2022 2:22am

Many original thoughts in this thread. Well done to all concerned.

slay55 · 15-09-2022 6:01am

Hopefully ireland is next to vote right wing

EOQRTL · 15-09-2022 6:36am

We most definitely need a lurch to the right here at home of some sort to steady the ship. It will happen eventually anyway in years to come when people finally see laid bare in front of them the damage the multicultural project has done to the island but it may well be too late by then.

Unfortunately just like Sweden we will suffer first.

15-09-2022 6:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620329#Comment_119620329

No chance. People aren't that stupid.

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2022 7:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620249#Comment_119620249

Swedan is lost. 🤣

Lost to what or from who?

Glenomra · 15-09-2022 7:40am

What will RTE interviewees do, now that Sweden has elected a right wing government. Their default setting when criticising Irish deficiencies was refer to how things were done so brilliantly in the 'Scandinavian model'.

is_that_so · 15-09-2022 7:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620213#Comment_119620213

Italian election law, quite bizarrely, rewards broad alliances and they've exploited that - a reminder of how much more united right-wing politics can be. Italian governments come and go very swiftly but it would be interesting to see a female PM.

On the OP, Sweden's lurch seems to be more about gang killings.

15-09-2022 7:48am

"Left-wing"

She was a standard centre-right European.

is_that_so · 15-09-2022 7:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620376#Comment_119620376

The only right-wing entity here, by European standards, are the National Party and the vast majority have never heard of them. We do look to be flirting with the left though, according to opinion polls.

1percent · 15-09-2022 7:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620462#Comment_119620462

Did we try looking in the last place we saw it? 😂

foxsake · 15-09-2022 7:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620376#Comment_119620376

no we are a different kind of stupid. slavish obedience of whatever we are told by media political elite types - the last 2 years is evidence of that.

batman_oh · 15-09-2022 7:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620376#Comment_119620376

I wouldn't say the Swedish are stupid for this - more desperate as the idiots in charge have turned areas of the country into absolute slums and it now has some of the highest levels of crime in Europe with rapidly rising gang violence, gun violence, sexual assaults etc. But yeah, it's the normal people that are stupid.

Danno · 15-09-2022 8:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620475#Comment_119620475

Nice to see the smirks wiped from the faces of the stickies in RTE. Shower of pontificating b.....ds

15-09-2022 8:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620520#Comment_119620520

It's the water. I blame the fluoride...

Boggles · 15-09-2022 8:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620475#Comment_119620475

Sweden haven't elected a right wing government.

No government has been formed yet.

It will be fascinating to watch though if they will and can and with whom. The horse trading will be epic. None of it good for stable governance though. .7% in it.

For the record Sweden has had governments of the right in the not too distant past.

SafeSurfer · 15-09-2022 8:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620621#Comment_119620621

The right, far right and liberals had a pre election pact, to unite to defeat the incumbents.

Boggles · 15-09-2022 8:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620682#Comment_119620682

Have they? I read differently this morning.

There is no formal agreement between the SD and the Moderates, Christian Democrats and Liberals about how they will govern together, although the centre-right parties have said they will not countenance ministerial positions for the far right.

Have you a link to that?

foxsake · 15-09-2022 9:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620618#Comment_119620618

you do? more power to you.

timmyntc · 15-09-2022 9:17am

A colossal failure in policy by the Swedish incumbents over the last 2 decades, has contributed directly to this.

Gun violence in Sweden compared to Norway, Denmark or Finland is a very telling statistic. They are no longer the progressive utopia of Scandinavia, but a place mired by immigrant-ghettos and criminal gangs. Bad immigration policy has led them here.

TagoMago · 15-09-2022 9:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620329#Comment_119620329

Not going to happen for a long time, if ever. The right wing parties in this country are laughably bad, there's no way the likes of Justin Barrett et al would be able to lead a party to be in any ways significant on a national scale.

Maybe if the general population's outlook were to swing considerably to the right then FF and FG may change their messaging to pander to this, but that's a big if.

Elmer Blooker · 15-09-2022 9:34am

I genuinely can’t tell the difference between right and left anymore, it’s the ‘woke’ left who are the ones who are against free speech and pro censorship, anyone who dares disagree with them is shouted down in an aggressive and obnoxious manner and branded a far right Trump loving racist which of course is a tactic to shut you up and prevent any debate whatsoever.

I know a LOT of these lefties and they scare me!

The ‘left’ used to be ones who organized anti war marches but now WW 3 can’t come quick enough!

Tabnabs · 15-09-2022 9:41am

All the right wing fanboi's on here thinking Sweden will become their spiritual white homeland. This is Ulf Kristersson, the man who leads the largest party in the new government coalition and who will most likely be the next Swedish PM. Seen here with two of his three adopted Chinese children at a pride parade.

Bloody Swedes can't even get fascism right!

timmyntc · 15-09-2022 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620943#Comment_119620943

All the right wing fanboi's on here thinking Sweden will become their spiritual white homeland.

Are these white supremacists in the room with you now?

Montage of Feck · 15-09-2022 9:48am

Open door migration doesn't work with socialism, but quite necessary to grease the wheels of consumer capitalism by driving workers rights and the social welfare system into the dirt. Swedish society had what would know be considered far-right social policies in the past but this was tempered with a common sense social welfare system.

Tabnabs · 15-09-2022 9:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620950#Comment_119620950

I hear they are over in a theatre in Tallaght having tea and a thoughtful exhange of ideas with the loons in PBP. Did you not get your invite?

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620913#Comment_119620913

I've been beating this drum for a long time now.

The right vs left definition got blurred during Covid.

The left wanted people boarded up in their homes using whatever force necessary to keep them there, while the right took to protesting on the streets in favour of people's freedom.

Fandymo · 15-09-2022 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620249#Comment_119620249

Yes, imagine being against this “utopia” and voting to try to get your country back.

https://twitter.com/composite_guy2/status/1569252000730079236?s=46&t=RpuEx917o22n7yrXD_f_nQ

timmyntc · 15-09-2022 9:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620990#Comment_119620990

Ah ok. So when you said:

All the right wing fanboi's on here thinking Sweden will become their spiritual white homeland.

It was just a lie - since there are no people here pining for a spiritual white homeland

Fandymo · 15-09-2022 9:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620943#Comment_119620943

Has anyone on Boards, ever, even banned users, EVER, called for a “spiritual white homeland”??

bb1234567 · 15-09-2022 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620249#Comment_119620249

Wonder what way migration is going there. Are Hungarians moving out or are other europeans going in? If this ethnic purity is such a sure fire way to ensure stability of a nation's interests, you'd at least think Hungary wouldn't have lost almost a million native residents to emigration in the last twenty years. Oh yeh, Hungary is doing just fantastic , I'm sure the hatred of immigrants is the chief reason for the nations prosperities alright🤪

15-09-2022 10:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620913#Comment_119620913

The woke left and the "stealing our jobs " right are as bad as each other.

They both attract a lot of unhappy people who want to blame someone for their own misfortune/failings etc.

timmyntc · 15-09-2022 10:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621010#Comment_119621010

Shocking stuff.

Boggles · 15-09-2022 10:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621003#Comment_119621003

while the right took to protesting on the streets in favour of people's freedom.

You mean the same few fúcking lunatics who protest everything?

Went from vaccines in my locality, to something about WEF, to the WHO to them not actually been there at the roundabout anymore. I miss them.

😂

15-09-2022 10:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620503#Comment_119620503

was thinking this.

our "right wing" party of note are....FG if you believe any of these categorisation

populist is probably the measure, and of course SF probably fit that bill as far as it goes. im not all that sure on their proposals to change our immigration policies/leave the EU if that's what would be required?

certainly we aren't close to any "right wing" nor particularly "left wing" government

populist approach (were it legally/financially feasible) would be limiting immigration, houses for all, lower taxes- does any party with a significant following have an approach aligned to this ?

Fandymo · 15-09-2022 10:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621080#Comment_119621080

Whilst they are far right, I’d see those party’s as more religiously looney than seriously far right. I think if they dropped the religion nonsense they’d get a lot more traction.

Only takes one man to change things though. Look how Farage got Brexit.

JPCN1 · 15-09-2022 10:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621010#Comment_119621010

Swedes are utter morons for bringing this upon themselves.

Varik · 15-09-2022 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620943#Comment_119620943

He's the leader of the moderate party, they're 3rd largest in the Riksdag. He might end up being PM but the Sweden democrats being the 2nd largest party will be the ones making him such.

While there's a chance the SD won't get any ministerial position at all (probably be some huge concessions if they don't in exchange for their support) they seem to be gunning for the Justice position. Most of what they'd want to do is within the purview of that.