CA: Ukrainian Thread - More "I just don't like this" Moderation

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620159#Comment_119620159

Maybe post it on the gentlemans forum then, if you want "gentlemans" "ahem" opinions.

I think you need to get with the times.

Speaking out about Xenophobia and Misogyny is not being a snowflake, its calling out the Xenophoic and Miisogynistic behaviour.

As everyone should do.

Vile language against women should always be called out, not condoned.

Its clear as day who is doing all the reporting and who the mods listen to, they use exactly the same language. Exactly the same. First it ‘appears’ on the thread, then a mod comes by later and parrots exactly the same thing.

A handful of people (the mod team) can’t be expected to read every post in every thread, even if they had no other job this is too much reading.

if you want to fix CA you need to stop listening to those serial reporters of posts who use words like ‘xenophobic’ to shut down conversations. In fact next time you see a report from one of these guys go look at their behaviour first and see if it is up to standard, which I bet it won’t be. Of course this probably requires more mods, you have plenty of great ones in smaller sections if you’d just promote a couple.

Mods, you know exactly who I’m talking about, you can see all the reported posts, the ones you act upon without reading the thread.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617976#Comment_119617976

It was closed because, as megathreads that run for as long as that one has, inevitably either go off topic or become not fit for purpose. The amount of reports the thread was generating on a daily basis was franklyk ridiculous and despite multiple mod warnings to get it back on track (which were routinely ignored) it had descended into a nasty and toxic thread. There were many posters trying to discuss the topic in good faith and equally there were many posters that were not. The mod time required to stay on top of the thread was becoming too much.

You have provided a roadmap for how the trolls get their way here. They know there isn’t enough mods and they do all the baiting and then all the reporting. You don’t have time to read the thread so you just shut it down. Then they win. You are complicit in this. If you cut it the sniping and the name calling when it begins the threads stand a much better chance, this never happens. The instigators always get off Scott free.

out of curiosity what percentage of reports do you act upon? Are there many that you don’t act on? If people are generating lots of reports that you don’t act upon, presumably because they don’t break the rules, maybe the significance of all these reports needs to be downplayed somewhat. It could just be hysterical people with their sensibilities offended.

You have just accepted the framing in the new thread as ‘Ukrainians go home’ and have shown clear bias in your moderation there already on the first page, I know you asked me to take this to pm but I believe the discussion can be more fruitful here.

If a gay pride parade was framed as anti straight would you take issue with this and sanction the poster for trolling? I bet you would.

😂

That French or Polish thread is like the Readers Wives letters to porn mags in the 1980s.

"Here's a made up scenario, now I want men only to start drooling and grunting about sex. And let's add lots of stereotyping to the objectification, French women are indifferent but crazy, Polish women are all drama and crazy".

And a mod stuck in the middle, contributing. You have to laugh.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620288#Comment_119620288

I haven’t read the thread in question about Ukraine so can’t comment on that one, but would you not actually consider that people are using the term Xenophobic because the thread and the comments actually are Xenophobic?

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620400#Comment_119620400

The xenophobes, racists and other hateful “types” posting on this site cannot handle being called such things.

They’ll wail and cry saying there’s no xenophobia, or racism, on the site. It’s just ridiculous but they do say that the truth hurts.

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620291#Comment_119620291

Why do you think we have to read every thread? Do you think this warrants mod time across a forum like CA? Anyway, it's simply not going to happen however many active mods we have. I have said repeatedly we rely on reports. If you do not report something you cannot complain when no action is taken

In terms of what proportion of reports we act on, a very rough and ready estimate for me is maybe one third attract no action, another third result in a deletion, zero point warning or in thread warning. The final third result in a 1 point warning, a threadban, or the nuking of a re-reg troll

Now we might get half a dozen reports for a particular post, or a particular poster reported half a dozen times. I am treating that as a "single event" in terms of that split, but of course they all get looked at

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620167#Comment_119620167

What language though?

Was it "French", "Polish", "man" or "woman"?

You see the poster didn't use any offensive language. I think you mean is that you don't like the sentiment - which was a kind of insensitive xenophilia.

Since everyone understands that there is a cultural difference between French and Polish people there's little to take offence at really. To use the word "misogyny" in this context is scraping the barrel imo.

The thread opener was mildly sexual but again so what.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620636#Comment_119620636

That poster did not use offensive language personally and I never said he did. It was used on the thread though.

The thread itself is the usual mysognistic low level stereotyping and objectification of women, only good for blow jobs, sucking off etc. This time based on their nationality. Basil Fawlty Manuel type posts - throwback from the 70's. The language used was pretty graphic and not really in the spirit of lightheartedness.

I should not need to mention the comment about illerate women or broke people from shanty towns. Another level altogether.

anewme

Seems the mods cant really win at all.

There is this thread complaining about over moderation while at the same time, there is another thread saying the exact opposite, that there is no moderation anymore.

Maybe the title of this thread needs to be amended.

Instead of "I just don't like this" Moderation, it might be more accurate to say" I just don't like this Moderation".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620058#Comment_119620058

Here is a good example of why boards is descending into irrelevance, where some posters are abusing the reporting function to shut down threads about topics that they disagree with as opposed to joining and discussing the topic at hand.

For the record, I am not a mod in CA so post this as an ordinary poster.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620557#Comment_119620557

I specifically said you can’t read every thread. I don’t think you have to read every thread, no where did I say that.

what I said is when a report comes through you should take the context of that conversation into account which might involve reading back for a couple of pages. Not the whole thread. Someone who has been baiting others and then reporting them should be reprimanded most severely, for obvious reasons.

Not sure how you picked me up so badly there to be honest.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620400#Comment_119620400

I have considered it but I haven’t personally seen the evidence. I have seen plenty of things called xenophobia that weren’t. It’s just a way of calling someone a ‘racist lite’. Sure some people are racists and need to be called out for their behaviour, but why is the evidence provided always so lacking? There’s a group of people who believe anyone who wants stronger borders are racist and xenophobic and I’m sick to death of these people.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621262#Comment_119621262

Is this not a question of "do as I say, not as I do.” based on your own views.

"It completely ignores (of course!) the ongoing trolling and baiting by several regular posters who seem to roam from thread to thread, offering nothing but ongoing attempts to provoke other posters in an attempt to have them sanctioned or the thread shut down" - a scourge. The impunity they enjoy is baffling. It has to be due to their views being the preferred ones.

Or they're mates with a mod/admin.

I've experienced it now. The mod said it's not a deliberate strategy to treat the trolls/"don't be a dick" breachers preferentially. And I agree (I used to mod here myself) but there is absolutely an unconscious bias. And it's down to political views. I do appreciate it's hard not to be biased at times, but all bets should be off when blatant lies about someone are resorted to.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632053#Comment_119632053

Was it the screenshot that did it though? If it was, that is fair enough surely.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608731#Comment_119608731

Don’t be using common sense there, won’t go down well I’m afraid. The media in Ireland is quite a “controlled” environment and the thought police are roaming the streets of much of the media.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632053#Comment_119632053

Blatant lies such as when you falsely blame posters you are currently arguing with for running former posters off the site probably a decade ago (I presume, I have no idea when it happened but the mod themselves said it was ‘ancient history’)?

Or blatant lies such as when you falsely claim posters you are currently arguing with are using multiple accounts and masterminding a massive conspiracy to discredit other users on an Internet forum? Those kind of blatant lies, yeah? Blatant lies and false accusations.

It’s funny how it’s “political” when it happens to you.

Emmet's thank is very delayed.

Anyways, yep, lies. Not the truth.

Always great to see duplex workers at work, so to speak. A phone to the left, a pad to the right, along with a determination that everyone else are idiots.

Ten of swords just banned me from ca for replying with the same tone of post that was levelled at me, after my accusations of bias against them here in this thread. These vindictive mods and their merry band of trolls(hot black diesto) have too much time on their hands, yet not enough to reply to posts in help desk.

I won’t be posting again on boards (ever) so don’t expect a reply.

Backstreet Moyes

A poster agreed with another poster calling people racists and xenophobs and the post is in the thread.

I responded and asked for the person to provide examples to these claims.

My posts gets deleted and I get a warning for off topic posting.

How exactly is asking someone for evidence of this considered off topic?

It looks like a few posters are free to insult people and it's off topic to ask them for examples.

Seems a bit strange to me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632772#Comment_119632772

you have all the credibility of the back end of a panto horse and for many of the same reasons

Boards is presently like a snake eating itself, mouth over tail.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620723#Comment_119620723

If the CA mods applied their catch all don't-be-a-dick excuse to themselves and their orbiters, then they'd never be able to post on their own forum 😂

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632053#Comment_119632053

The mod gave you the opportunity to get your threadban lifted but you refused to follow their request to post in a civil manner and not discuss other users. Not that any of this is relevant to this thread as your whinge is about AH not CA.

Beasty

Anyway enough of the vindictive commentary from posters who basically are just looking to stir things because they can't get things their own way. The OP has been dealt with

Closed