#IrelandIsFull trending on twitter... Have we reached boiling point?

mumo3

So I'm seeing this morning the hashtag Ireland is full trending on twitter, it has made me think of how this could possibly go!!

Is civil unrest starting to get louder and will it gain momentum? Do you think people will start taking to the streets?

If the recent big cases involving non-nationals happened now, would it spill over into chaos?

Would you be worried if you where a non-national in this country right now?

RobbieTheRobber

Should non nationals be worried?

Are you suggesting there are credible threats of harm coming from any Irish groups or individuals threatening non native individuals?

ELM327

I think hysteria never solved anything.

However I think it is a pertinent time to have a discussion on our border policy. We have had a number of crimes perpetrated by non-nationals and we should be asking questions on who we allow in. There should be background checks before we allow entry to a non national. We also should end direct provision and provide a "yes/no" answer within a few days of arrival. If yes, welcome aboard and if no shipped off back where you came from. Worth noting that Ireland is not the nearest country to any civil unrest so should not have many legit asylum cases anyway.

Ham_Sandwich

no we just have idiot racists on twitter

mustardorcustard

I only just posted in another thread about how, truly, this is all a macro economic scam.

How can a government claim to be a government when they have sat on top of a crisis for a decade? We've all heard the word "crisis" so many times it has probably lost all meaning. But a crisis is still a crisis.

The quickest way to dig your way out of a bad financial situation (2008 onwards) is to vastly inflate the value of what you own.

How do you increase the value of assets? Increase demand.

How do you increase demand? Get as many extra people into the country as you can.

Pressure = money

Do you think this crowd of conmen and their associates give a rats arse about all the negative effects? Schools, colleges, healthcare, transport, society in general coming apart at the seams, they don't care. They'll be off with the money with no consequences when it breaks.

Watch the start of next year, it's shaping up to be the actual breaking point.

Yes, Ireland is overly full. And yes, it was purposefully designed to be this way.

It can't go on, and it's anyone's guess how it falls apart, but fall apart it will. Just don't be the eejit scratching your head about how it happened, its been in front of your eyeballs for years.

mumo3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484626#Comment_119484626

I'm sure no matter you go in the world there is a creditable threat to non national's or minority groups, some people just have that mind set about them!! But if people (albeit mainly keyboard warriors at this stage) feel they can openly display their discontent at the amount of refugee's arriving into Ireland, will this not eventually spill into attacks?

bucketybuck

If it is full then why can nobody get staff to fill their open jobs?

Ireland isn't full, it just has a housing crisis.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484660#Comment_119484660

Because they aren't paying enough.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484639#Comment_119484639

Plenty of keyboard warrior racists on boards too it's not just twitter.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484673#Comment_119484673

And why are the wages insufficient?

Because the cost of everything else has skyrocketed, such as rents.

And why has accommodation become so expensive?

Because there are so many extra people in competition for it.

It's a pure and utterly scam. And the very same yokes that will purposely ignore WHY everything is so expensive, will be the first ones to say "get even more people in to do the unliveable wage jobs".

You'd never get a better example of a giant pyramid scheme if you tried.

This whole disaster was never a well thought out plan, it was a get money quick plan and to hell with inevitable consequences.

Jarhead_Tendler

People are and have the right to be unhappy with our immigration policies and procedures. Most people however would never lay a hand on another human regardless of their nationality. I would like to see stricter controls on our borders. The blame lies with our civil service and elected reps . I don't wish any ill will to anybody living here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484691#Comment_119484691

Why are people coming in to do the unlivable wage jobs and not staying where they are?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484673#Comment_119484673

I'm advertising jobs ranging from €30k to €55k and we get single digit applications, we are offering €40k+ for roles that realistically should be worth only €30k, still nobody is applying.

But the country is full?

Yeah, thats some logic alright.

Zebra3

Ireland isn’t full, it’s just broken.

Allowing in so many Ukrainians looks purely like an excuse to deflect from the government’s failings.

And to be best in class in making a stand against Putin.

Why are Ukrainians given so many rights that those in other occupied lands aren’t being given?

mumo3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484660#Comment_119484660

That seems to be the main bone of discontent... a housing crisis, but they've managed to find accommodation for many new arrivals.

The drum of civil unrest just seems to be beating louder lately!! Are the lunatics about to take over the asylum?

It's a long time in the making, but I'd hate to think people take to the streets over an influx of refugees during a war, rather than HSE being a **** show or people caring for their elderly parents or special needs children with no assistance!!

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484705#Comment_119484705

You aren't paying enough. If you where the jobs would be filled. Up the wages simple as that.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484700#Comment_119484700

Tell me another country where you can be put on a list for being poor with an eventual award of a home worth hundreds of thousands. All you have to do is wait long enough.

Tell me of another country that provides such high amounts of weekly money for being unemployed.

Now translate that into a relative financial situation, and it would be like some mystical country where you'll eventually be given a home worth millions, and a weekly payment worth perhaps thousands versus the local situation.

If you have to squat in a house with 10 other people, no big deal, a lot probably consider that normal anyway. If you get a buckshee job on the side, why not? If you have to do a **** job for low wages while waiting for your lotto win, why not?

That's why. And there'd be a lot more reasons too, but I think those alone are far more than enough of a magnet.

You don't see crowds of Germans piling in, do you? No, it's usually people from worse situations. And that's reflected in the statistics.

It's all supremely simple to understand. Doesn't get any easier.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484721#Comment_119484721

So should they increase costs to cover the increase in wages required?

Former Former Former

Read the tweets.

The vast majority are giving out about it, saying #irelandisfull is bollocks

Do people not realise that including the hashtag you're attacking just makes it trend even more??

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484730#Comment_119484730

It's their business they can decide that.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484749#Comment_119484749

They do. It’s normally to dunk on any given trending.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484639#Comment_119484639

So Ireland can never be full? Is that what you are saying?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058259181/irelandisfull-trending-on-twitter-have-we-reached-boiling-point

Is civil unrest starting to get louder and will it gain momentum? Do you think people will start taking to the streets?

That would mean getting off Twitter. Doubt it.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484769#Comment_119484769

🤣🤣

<insert something poster never said>

Is that what you are saying?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484769#Comment_119484769

He said,

”no we just have idiot racists on twitter”

hope that clears it up. See thread title if you’re still confused about what the question was, nothing there about “never in a million years getting full” or whatever the **** hair you are trying to split

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484749#Comment_119484749

The kind of low foreheads that say the country isn't operating way beyond capacity are helpless at this point.

They can't look at schools, at the accommodation situation, at the transport situation, at the demographic implosion, at the healthcare situation and more.

Just a complete and utter disconnect with reality, pure ignorance.

And no doubt a good swathe of them will be sitting in a box somewhere that costs thousands, all while tapping on a screen, simultaneously complaining about the end result of immigration and defending more immigration.

No hope for those people, brainwashed, if they had one to be washed in the first place.

magicbastarder

a tiny percentage of people actually have a twitter account, and most of those don't tweet anyway. what's trending on twitter is not really an indication of the population as a whole (and i'm not saying we shouldn't be worried about people on twitter fomenting unrest).

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484784#Comment_119484784

Someone saying Ireland is full is a racist. So the only logical view to make people racist for thinking this, is that Ireland can never be full.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484721#Comment_119484721

Do you even know what you are replying to? Shall we give you a few minutes to read the thread title?

I'll give a hint as to the point made, it's that overpopulation leads to competition for employment.

Can you follow the dots on your own from there?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484804#Comment_119484804

So the only logical view

I'm afraid it seems your attempt at applying logic was a failure. Do please try again.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484813#Comment_119484813

If someone who says "Ireland is full" is a racist, does that mean that the facts are racist, or that Ireland can never be full?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484724#Comment_119484724

Tell me another country where you can be put on a list for being poor with an eventual award of a home worth hundreds of thousands. All you have to do is wait long enough.

Just the one?

https://www.oecd.org/els/family/PH4-2-Social-rental-housing-stock.pdf

Tell me of another country that provides such high amounts of weekly money for being unemployed.

Just the one?

https://data.oecd.org/benwage/benefits-in-unemployment-share-of-previous-income.htm

It is worth checking out facts before spouting facts and not relying on your inherent biases

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484705#Comment_119484705

I was looking at an area I used to live in, and the going rate is 36k a year to rent a 2 bedroom home.

People don't want to live like students, and adulthood has to happen.

You can call it entitlement, or, you can say that we should all accept a lower standard of living than previous, all in the aid of getting more and more people into the country.

Yes, the country is overly full, and it has haywire consequences, it's not a linear problem.

If you want to become a third world country, there's one quick way to achieve it. We're doing fine on that front.

osarusan

What happens on twitter means f**k all. It's not a barometer of anything other than hot air on twitter.

Same with boards.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484838#Comment_119484838

Pull the other one.

I explained it as clearly as possible.

Now, why don't you explain why, despite the cost of everything going up and up, more and more people are trying to get in.

Let's hear it.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484832#Comment_119484832

No one said on this thread that If someone ... says "Ireland is full" then they are a racist.

So seeing as the whole premise of your question is flawed I'm not going to waste any time on the rest of it.

osarusan

stupid double post

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484854#Comment_119484854

or, in short, 'someone answered the questions i posed, and now i'm annoyed about that'?

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484852#Comment_119484852

What is happening with schools, accommodation and healthcare is very real.

Not opinions, facts.

Not so easy to ignore.

RobbieTheRobber

I cant wait until this thread gets to the replacement theory posts.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484870#Comment_119484870

Don't be a sly, disingenuous person.

The person replied to a practically rhetorical question, while utterly ignoring the point.

You don't get an Internet point for that.

As said before, ignorance of reality is playing out in real time here.

Let's hear your explanation for why more and more people coming here despite the costs going up and up.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484838#Comment_119484838

More % social housing does not = free houses for scroungers, unlike the situation here in Ireland.

In mainland Europe you get evicted for rent arrears in social housing. In Ireland you can go decades without paying and f all done to you. 64% of Dublin social tenants are in arrears, staggering numbers. The difference between social housing in Europe and social housing here in Ireland is massive - here the priority is intergenerational unemployed, in Europe its low income workers, who actually pay rent back.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484876#Comment_119484876

I can't wait for a single person to address the facts of accommodation, schools, colleges, transport, healthcare.

A whole lot of ignorant deflection trying desperately to bring racism into it, but nothing more.

Pure ignorance. Well, screaming racism isn't going to make your years long waiting list for the hospital appointment shorter, it isn't going to reduce your rent, it isn't going to get you a home, it isn't going to solve social immobility and so forth.

And sooner rather than later, this defence shield of words versus economic and societal reality is going to die, badly.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484905#Comment_119484905

I can't wait for a single person to address the facts of accommodation, schools, colleges, transport, healthcare.

Those aren't facts. Those are words. Can you provide a little more information what it is you are attempting to say about each of those words?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484884#Comment_119484884

That wasn't a rhetorical question, you claimed we were unique in terms of offering benefits and such. They pointed to the reality that it's easier to get such benefits in other countries etc. If you're gonna make such claims, you're gonna get challenged.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484940#Comment_119484940

Talking in circles. Ignorance.

I clearly explained just some of the magnets for people trying to get in here, despite costs going up and up.

I asked you to provide your explanation, and rather than answer the question, you're clinging desperately to the non-point you already made.

Second time. How do you explain more and more people trying to get into the country, despite it being increasingly expensive.

Bonus question. Can you draw a connection between more people and higher prices/consequences? Or are you going to tell me about the price of milk again?

Sleepy

A nonsensical sound-bite. Ireland ranks 133rd for population density on the global scale:

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=21000

Or 36th in the wider European area:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/european-countries-by-population-density.html

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484940#Comment_119484940

Put us on a ranking scale then.

Then put the different grouping of immigrants and their origins on that same scale.

I wonder what the result would be. Not really, though.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484928#Comment_119484928

Ignorance.

I asked you to justify and answer a question, and just like all the others, you're trying to escape reality and turn it into something it isn't.

Let's see here, I'll have to dig deep to answer your bullseye question...oh yes, the housing crisis. You may have heard of it.

You see, people live in houses. More people, less houses.

I'll get the statistics for you right now, Mr Genuine. Just hold your breath while I try to prove the existence of the housing crisis nobody has ever heard of.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484810#Comment_119484810

No problem. I'll leave to you figure out why you are getting single digit applications scrooge.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484968#Comment_119484968

Plenty of immigrants in Ireland work in high skilled industries cause they're the best qualified candidates for the roles. I'm saying that based on interviewing candidates on a regular basis for high paying jobs. So generalizing immigrants as coming to Ireland for welfare is some incredible ignorance.