Honda Civic 1.8 MPG

Peter256

I am now looking at petrol cars as I only doing 10k km a year now. My previous 2011 diesel Mazda 6 did 7.2L/100KM (40 MPG) and that was doing mostly 8.5Km each/way trip per day and some longer trips on some weekends. It use to to 6L/100KM but my shorter trips now has increased this.

I am looking at Carrolas, Civics and Lancers and I like the Civic saloon 1.8 or hatchback 1.4 petrol. It looks to have the best spec much better than the Carrola whose spec seems very basic with not even air conditioning.

I am guessing my short trip driving would be considered same to Urban driving ? So i read the Civic does 32 MPG Urban. Does anyone know the real MPG for this 2010 1.8 Civic and does it drink a lot of petrol ?

colm_mcm

I had one and found it quite good on petrol. Averaged over 40mpg with a mixture of driving, and was tipping 60mpg if driven like a granny at a constant 80km/h (just to see if it could, don’t expect that mpg!)

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483699#Comment_119483699

So if I am changing over from a 2.2 diesel that had 280 tax and 40 mpg on short trip driving. What will be the benefit will getting a 1.8 Honda Civic? I am guessing I wouldn't have to worry about DPF issues and have a more reliable car in the Civic even though fuel wise more expensive ?

Also what do you think of the 1.4 Civic hatchback. I read that they are low on power but a lot of power wouldn't be critical to me.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485792#Comment_119485792

Have a 1.4 golf, smallest car/engine I have driven in a long time, get 50 mpg mostly and have no problem with acceleration overtaking motorways etc. I consider a faster car a waste of time nowadays.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485792#Comment_119485792

You’ll have the benefit of them being utterly reliable.

It will need to be worked harder than the Mazda, which has lots more low down torque.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119486546#Comment_119486546

So do you think the Civic will be much more expensive than the Mazda on fuel ? I wouldn't be driving that hard. Mostly 100 Km/hr tops on secondary/back roads and 120 on motorway.

colm_mcm

like for like it will certainly use a bit more, especially on the motorway.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485877#Comment_119485877

Which year Golf is that?

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119486792#Comment_119486792

I thought on motorway you will be in 6th gear so the MPG would be at it's most economical then or maybe that's just in a diesel is it ?

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119486888#Comment_119486888

I think around 80 is the sweet spot for mpg on them.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119486799#Comment_119486799

07

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487012#Comment_119487012

Do you mean 80 KM/HR ? I wouldn't want to be in a hurry so lol.

What you think of this Civic or do you prefer the hatchback ?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-saloon-1-8-petrol/31927917

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487283#Comment_119487283

Those figures are better than the official VW combined figure for the 1.4 Golf so you’re doing well

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487396#Comment_119487396

the hatch is more aerodynamic and lighter than the saloon and it’s def lighter on fuel. Friend had the saloon when I had the hatch so it’s easy to compare them, even though they’re both civics they’re very different cars.

The saloon is definitely more grown up and traditional, it’s got arguably better quality interior and is probably marginally quieter. It absolutely has more comfortable suspension.

the hatchback is designed way better though, there’s unreal use of space in them. The exhaust runs behind the drivers side sill, the petrol tank is under the front seats, so the floor is low and flat on them, you get great rear room, a really low boot floor and seats that go completely flat into the floor or can fold up like cinema seats if you want to carry stuff in the back standing up, hatch has a nicer looking dash, better laid out controls and in most cases more spec. It’s also nicer to drive despite the slightly crashy rear suspension

Civics are quite overpriced though, especially 1.8 hatchbacks. I loved mine but I wouldn’t pay the money they’re asking right now.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487429#Comment_119487429

Yeah I saw in a few videos the hatchback has great space. A lot of used cars are overpriced these days especially with inflation and with the Civics reliability they hold there value well.

Was the bumpy suspension very noticeable and uncomfortable or is it a relatively comfortable car overall ?

colm_mcm

It wasn’t a bone shaker or anything, but you’d notice the lack of suspension travel on speed bumps especially. I didn’t mind it.

naughtysmurf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485792#Comment_119485792

I’ve a 141 Civic 1.4L hatch since 2015, only do 9k/10k a year, all town driving, 73k on the clock. The dash tells me I’m getting 7.7L/100km, think that equates to 36.29mpg. We’ve a diesel for the longer trips so can’t comment on how good or bad it’s consumption would be.

Coming from a 2.2l diesel you will notice less power, you’ll get used to it but once up to cruising speed It’s absolutely fine

Overall I’m delighted with it, other than annual service, tyres as required, I’ve had to do zero, I’ll probably drive it on for another 4/5 years, probably only buy another 1 or 2 cars in my driving lifetime (usually drive our cars for 10 years)& based on comfort, reliability & decent spec I’d definitely strongly consider going Honda again

bazz26

If only doing 10k km a year I don't think mpg on a 1.8 Civic would be a deal breaker to be honest.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487748#Comment_119487748

That's not too bad MPG for only town driving. I am actually driving an old Yaris 05 1.0 petrol at the minute and even though it would be far from the same level of what I had with my Mazda 2.2 performance wise but I didn't actually think about the difference in torque that much but it's only 5.3 L/100KM. I probably shouldn't think I would find the torque too bad in the Civic 1.4 and get used to it.

I saw someone say that you will need to rev out the 1.4 civic more than the 1.8 so there is very little difference in MPG in both. But the road tax is double the price and maybe insurance also.

colm_mcm

The 1.4 Civic will be marginally better than the 1.0 Yaris in terms of acceleration etc

@job seeker has had both of these so could give you a good comparison

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488323#Comment_119488323

There is a difference of € 300 per year in tax also.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490538#Comment_119490538

Tax on a 1.8 Civic hatch is €390

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490556#Comment_119490556

It must be the €570 in the saloon model so and I seen the specs online show the hatchback is average 6.6L/100KM with the saloon 7L/100KM. I know in reality these figures will be higher depends on how they are driven

colm_mcm

That’s 42mpg average which is what I was getting on mine. Nothing wrong with that

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491803#Comment_119491803

I saw someone driving one of YouTube vid and the dash computer was showing 8.7L/100 KM, maybe it was just town driving.

themighty

I'm driving a 2009 1.8. I'm getting about 38mpg I think. Much of that would be urban driving though. Mechanically it has been rock solid. Only issue I've had is with the speedo, recently started flashing up 888. Supposedly a known issue with them.

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058259144/honda-civic-1-8-mpg

Why not just keep the diesel that you have and rest assured you know its service history etc. 10k km is plenty fine for a diesel especially if you do the odd longer spin. There's a lot of DPF/EGR fearmongering relating to diesels and lower mileage when a M/N road spins every few weeks will for the most part prevent issues.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493068#Comment_119493068

I don't have the diesel anymore, I was involved in an accident and it was wrote off. I know the Mazda diesel have a bad rep but after I got the injector seals done on mine, there wasn't much other issues for the 4 years I had it apart from needing a new alternator and brakes done. It was lovely car to drive with a high spec. I didn't have any DPF issues as I did do the odd long drive.

I went to look at another one last week the exact same spec Mazda. It seemed in great condition and driving well, so I called a mechanic to go check it and he advised me not the buy one because he had around 10 Mazda diesel engines sitting in his yard. He told me they had injector problem. I told him I knew all about this issue from my previous experience and that if the injector seals are changed when the car is running well, then there shouldn't be any problems once the oil is changed every 10k. The mechanic said he would check the car if I wanted but he said he would advise against buying another Mazda 6 diesel. He advised to get a petrol like maybe 1.4 Carrola or something like that. He said unless you are doing 30k plus millage pe year or driving around the country then there is no need to have a diesel.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491803#Comment_119491803

I was just looking at a lot of different cars on the road the past few days and I haven't seen one Civic. Why is that ? I thought there would be many when they are one of the most reliable cars?

colm_mcm

Because they were the same price as a Toyota Avensis at the time.

A good few people that frequent this forum had them, I don’t remember seeing any horror stories.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495265#Comment_119495265

I have read a lot of owner reviews about them online and there are nearly all positive. I have seen a few people complaining of discomfort on back roads and poor rear visibility with no wiper when raining but I guess I will have to bring one for test drive to find out.

I am looking at one in red 2010. The condition looks excellent inside and out and looks polished. It doesn't have the black strip around arches are bottom sides or bumper, that's all in red. The only thing is the grey strip moulding at bottom of front mesh has a crack but it wouldn't be a major thing. It has 130 k miles which isn't bad. The owner said it was low mileage even though I wouldn't call it low myself. He seemed to be in a bit of a hurry on the phone when I was asking questions and just told me to ring when I want to call to look at it. What you think of it in red ?

Phil.x

The civic is a great car and sorely missed, if my wife didn't crash it I'd still have it.

Reliable 100%

Fast, 1800cc.

Economical, especially on motorways.

Very practical, magic seats, spacious.

Insurance can be a bit more expensive, especially if the named driver has a provisional.

Happy to recommend it.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495740#Comment_119495740

How did you find the car comfort wise on secondary roads and on long journey's. It's just I read reviews by some owners complaining of ride discomfort. Did you own the hatchback model ? And would you totally rule out the 1.4 L option. The speed or acceleration wouldn't have to be critical for me as I would be driving mostly a short 17 km round day trip with no overtaking required mostly and the odd longer primary/motorway trip.

colm_mcm

Yeah the I-GT special edition had colour coded arches alright. It’s quite a standard model but they look quite smart in red with the facelift grille and rear lights.

interestingly I bought my then 5 year old Civic 1.8 in 2012 for less than what that 12 year old 1.4 is asking today.

job seeker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490488#Comment_119490488

Sorry I haven't been on Boards much lately as I am busy with work.

Here is what I think, The Civic would be a fair bit quicker with 80BHP. Whereas the Yaris felt quite underpowered with 67BHP.

Also due to the I-DSI technology (the civic has 8 sparkplugs instead of 4 meaning each cylinder has 2 sparkplugs.) so the Civic archives better torque at midrange because of this. Nothing unbelievable, although it would be quicker at the traffic lights than the Yaris.

The 6-speed gearbox in the civic is nice also. I thought it would be a pain to get used to, although after the Yaris. However, you'll adjust to it easily enough.

The Yaris felt much more cramped in the front and back. In contrast, the Civic was far more comfortable. I specifically remember sitting into the Civic with the centre armrest when I got it back in 2017 and it just felt like a far better experience. I think this was largely due to the seat being better in the Civic with more leg room.

With passengers in the back, the Yaris was awful. You would nearly have to go down to the second gear when overtaking. Whereas the Civic isn't as bad. The civic also has a rear armrest/cupholder which is nice!

When driving the Yaris, with the lack of ABS is a pain in the arse. The Civic has VSA more info on this link. https://www.civinfo.com/threads/vsa-what-do-you-do-with-this-button.56747/

I remember also in the wet that the Yaris was very light and I wasn't a fan of the body role at all, the Civic wasn't as bad. In the snow, the Yaris and Civic were both pretty good with summer tyres.

As for reliability, both were similar. The only issue I had with either, was the rear axel on the Civic. Corrosion is very common on these rear axels and an OEM axel is 800. You'd get a VERY good spurious one for about 300 (if I remember correctly) from the north which comes with a 5-year guarantee. So no worries there. The sills on the years were starting to rust when we got rid.

When parking the Yaris would win, as it's smaller, the Civic is similar to the size of a golf and sometimes, you are back further than you think as the boot is larger.

When transporting large items the Civic is far superior. It also has magic seats which create more room when folded down. The seat can also be folded up against the backrest either. So it's very handy in that regard.

My Civic has just over 140k miles on the clock and if I wasn't doing high mileage I would keep it in a heartbeat. (The Yaris had 148k miles) I preferred the Civic overall and if I was to buy another I would go for a 1.8 as the 1.4 was pretty thirsty. Slightly underpowered as I said, although it has done me fine. The tax was the reason I chose the 1.4 originally as I didn't have much money, the 1.4 is the next best thing.

That is the stuff that stood out to me. If you have any questions holla. Hope this helps. Thanks for the tag @colm_mcm as I wouldn't have seen this otherwise. :)

Peter256

It has a good enough spec the GT for the standard model, I think it even comes with air con.

That's amazing you got a 5 year old Civic back in 2012 for less than 4k. That was serious value. How did you get such a good price ?

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119496035#Comment_119496035

Thanks for all the info. I think the facelift 2010 Civic has 100 BPH. What was the L/100KM or MPG you were getting ?

I would be driving it with probably only myself and another passenger at most so I wouldn't have a load in it to really notice any acceleration issues and I have been driving a Yaris for the last few months so I should notice the improvement that you had. The brakes in the Yaris I find very good and sharp for a 05 even better than the Mazda 6 I had.

job seeker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119496121#Comment_119496121

No problem at all. On the way home from Dublin to Sligo, I achieved 39.9mpg according to the dash. I'd say that is quite optimistic though. I never bother to work out the correct mpg figure, to be honest.

Yeah, my Yaris was a 99. Your 05 yaris would be better overall..

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119496415#Comment_119496415

The Yaris always shows 5.3L/100KM (53 MPG) it never changes this figure and the Mazda always showed 7.2 L/100KM for the last year. Maybe these figures are not the true MPG.

Does the Honda computer show you a different MPG for each trip you do? That sounds more accurate. But 39 MPG sounds hard for a 1.4. The seller told me it does between 45 MPG to 50 but i suppose he would tell me that.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495926#Comment_119495926

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495926#Comment_119495926

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495926#Comment_119495926

I just did a history check there on the Civic and looks like the owner is another one of these traders that are prenteding to be a private seller. It looks to have had 3 owners (not including garages) overall but it had many trade sales over it's time. The third owner sold it in March last year who had it for 52 months so I guess I guess that's when it was last driving on the road. Between March 2021 and now it has changed hands with 3 different traders. The first 2 only held it for 5 and 7 days and the latest trader owner has owned it for the past 17 months. Between owner Number 2 and 3 it went through 3 different traders sales also but as I said owner no 3 held it for 52 months so it must have been going alright for them.

I am just wondering now would the car be still worth a look still at and get a mechanic to check if I like it. The history check isn't showing any discepancy in mileage but not sure how accurate that is. Would the fact that the latest owner (trader) has it for the past 17 months be a red flag.

SCOOP 64

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-1-4-i-gt-5dr/31117232

I was looking at a civic too but more the 2.2 diesel, €7000 12 years old , still not a bad looking car i think, at least the trim cant go grey.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498011#Comment_119498011

The Civic I am looking at is the exact same year and colour with the colour coded trim also and 1.4 petrol. I was looking at another red one that has the black trim and it had a few bits on panels that had gone to a faded pinkish in colour so even though this one was closer to me and cheaper price the paint issues put me off it. At least the one you are looking at isn't by a dealer who is hiding as a private seller like the one I am looking at.

The diesel model is also reliable as long as you are doing a lot of mileage and motorway driving so not to have any DPF problems.

To be honest I was never mad about the shape of these but they are growing on me and I am after the reliability.

Phil.x

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495855#Comment_119495855

It's suspension is a bit stiff, generally it's fine but sharp edge speed ramps are noticed and ripped tarmacadam.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499330#Comment_119499330

I saw a Civic for sale in Northern Ireland for sale in immaculate condition inside and outside with low mileage at a good price.

It's just when I checked the history the most recent MOT showed 3 advisories. 1. A small chip on windscreen. 2. A small oil leak. 3. Corrosion of rear chassis, axil and suspension.

Would you rule out buying this car ? Or could I still buy it and get those issues sorted out.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058259144/honda-civic-1-8-mpg

Hi the civic 1.8 will do around that 7l/100km or better if ok with right foot, that engine is fairly economical until you press on. Its much nicer and smoother than the 1.4 which is rough when revved. I had choice of both and went with 1.8 - also its pretty much bulletproof.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490611#Comment_119490611

Note the saloon civic is independent rear suspension the hatch is a torsion beam. The saloon is very comfortable - just ensure you check under back chasis for rust - other than that great car.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119521908#Comment_119521908

They might have a bullet proof engine but there seems to be issues with rust underneath on most of them which is kind of putting me off to be honest.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119521959#Comment_119521959

It depends on where the car was and when made. 2007 like mine, paint was thin. 2009 onwards all good.

Peter256

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119522759#Comment_119522759

I was looking at a 2011 in North Ireland looks immaculate condition with only 95 k miles and I seen on the MOT history that there was an advisory about corrosion on the rear axl and chassis and suspension. I asked the owner about it and he said he never got it checked as it was only an advisory but he presumes its only surface rust.

David6330

I have a 2010 Cvic 1.8 saloon for the last 4 years.

Averaging 6.8 l /100km doing 100km round trip motorway commute. Car has been very reliable since I owned it.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119523088#Comment_119523088

Northern cars always were a little more inclined to rust due to amount of salt used in winters, we have started to use nearly as much so the future holds more rusting if not washed off.

Note one thing I really liked in the saloon (still do as still have the 2007 1.8) are the seats are particularly comfortable and different to the hatch.