Cattle trailer

Dunedin

On the lookout for a cattle trailer for the jeep (land cruiser LWB).

was thinking of 10x6 but a 10 x 5 has come up. Is there any major difference in the slightly smaller one. Wouldn’t be doing a huge amount of work with it.

funkey_monkey

If these are Ifor Williams trailers then you are probably looking at a TA5. The TA5 sits narrower in behind your jeep so if you are on small roads etc, then its easier to tow.

I know from looking at specs that in 10' lengths the TA5 has a 2,700kg hitch whereas the TA510 has a 3,500kg hitch. So that might be something to check out.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119363042#Comment_119363042

Thanks for that.

Albert Johnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058255275/cattle-trailer

As mentioned above there's probably a lighter grade hitch on the 10x5 as opposed to the 10x6. A 10x5 with the wheels outside will be no wider than the wing mirrors on the jeep which is a bonus on narrow roads, in towns and tight entrances. The 10x6 will be straddling the white line on most roads and you want to watch meeting cars, going through towns ect.

The 10x6 will carry 3 big cattle comfortably where the 10x5 will struggle. A big cow will stand crossways in 6" but not in 5" and won't put the same pressure on the sides when turning ect. They used always say about cattle lorry bodies that an inch in the width was as good as a foot in the length for capacity.

Dunedin

Is it an option to buy a trailer without brakes and put brakes on it afterwards. What would the cost be?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387530#Comment_119387530

Do you mean braked axles with the brakes not working?

If so, then it can be as most used trailers on the market would have tired brake setups at best. Unless you are buying from a trailer dealer who services then before selling.

As for cost, not done it in a long time ago would it be 80ish per wheel for shoes? Drums are about 150 plus - if you need them. Breakaway cable are about 10. Handbrake about 25? 75 for a coupling damper. Others may know better.

If you check hitch wear using the indicator on the head then you might be better off putting on a new complete hitch assembly. Checking hitch wear is something you should check anyway when buying used.

If you are thinking of putting braked axles on an unbraked trailer - axle swap - don't think I'd bother with that financially, as it would be a lot of work including a hitch assembly with an override mechanism. But if you wanted a project...

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387712#Comment_119387712

Shop around for the parts . I put new shoes and cables on a twin axel lt85.

Shoes cost 85 for all 4 corners , cables 50 for the set of 4. All were genuine knott parts .

The same shoes 200x50 are on the DP 3.5t cattle boxes

funkey_monkey

https://www.trailerspares.ie/knott200x50.html

You done well at those prices - €65 per axle for genuine Knott. Non OEM for €40 per axle:

https://www.trailerspares.ie/mp1762b.html

Gant21

A 10x5 pulls lovely behind a berlingo

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393039#Comment_119393039

Does the towing capacity of the Berlingo permit a 10x5?

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393039#Comment_119393039

Let’s hope the RSA believe you when you meet them……

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393357#Comment_119393357

What law is one breaking?

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393005#Comment_119393005

I got them on offer pre brexit for 67.50 sterling

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/333441457699?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=5282-175127-2357-0&ssspo=HoW8rgFcTUy&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=u29C5JW2QtK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY.

Now 92 sterling but do come up on offer every so often .

https://parts.gkennedyagrisales.com/collections/all-products/products/knott-avonride-200-x-50-brake-shoe-kit-1-axle-set.

Ive seen offers off this crowd too

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393207#Comment_119393207

Berlingo can only tow 1.4 tons, 10 by five is probably 750kg so once you put 700kg in it it's overweight

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393207#Comment_119393207

A 10x5 is plated as a 2.7 ton trailer so legally a Berlingo can’t even pull it empty.

oldsmokey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400275#Comment_119400275

That’s the gross figure for the trailer

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400275#Comment_119400275

I'm quite sure that's incorrect. As I was corrected on it before and I checked it out.

Plated weight of a trailer will limit the max weight it can carry, but towing weight for the vehicle is the actual weight of a trailer.

So of you pull a 3.5 tonne trailer on a berlingo as long as the actual weight of the trailer doesn't exceed its towing capacity its fine

A Landcruiser lwb or swb cannot pull a 3.5 tonne trailer fully loaded. They don't have a 3.5 tonne capacity. One needs a DMAX or Ranger type pickup

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567599#Comment_119567599

The Hilux has an even lower towing capacity than the land cruiser.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567599#Comment_119567599

You might also need an BE licence depending on the weights

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569940#Comment_119569940

You'll absolutely need a BE licence. The only trailer I can tow behind the Dmax without a licence is 750kg, because the GVW of the dmax is 3500kg. Perversely I could tow a bigger trailer on an octavia if the total train weight doesn't exceed 3500kg

funkey_monkey

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Markus Antonius

I'm also in the market for a similar sized trailer. Looking at the 12x6 nugent ones:

https://www.nephintractors.ie/product/12-x-6-nugent-trailer

It will only be used with the tractor for moving a few cattle between fields. I'm thinking of getting a tow bar attachment for the three point hitch, unless there are there hook drawn trailers available to buy?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488127#Comment_120488127

https://www.wtltrailers.co.uk/product/knott-avonride-ring-hitch-40mm-eye-60mm-draw-tube/

You can replace the ball hitch with an eye - see link above. You might have an issue with it being too close to the back of tractor though for turning.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488783#Comment_120488783

Nice one, thanks. That is one thing that would concern me. It's a Mf390 I have and the hook is fairly deep between the back wheels. The idea of a three point hitch tow bar attachment is something that has become appealing to me, they look fairly handy:

https://masseytractorparts.com/en-ie/products/drawbar-hitch-system-cat-1-no-holes-3-610mm-s-119467?gclid=CjwKCAjw3POhBhBQEiwAqTCuBp-fNLBZS_Sr1mCZpDEWS4HFrJ6G9VnUFixltuOGgbgYzsUUEMEYXRoCmIUQAvD_BwE&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&variant=42427121664253

Itryhard

Or if the height is wrong you won't transfer the weight correct across both axles

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120489002#Comment_120489002

The current trailer I have for turf etc only has 2 wheels so this didn't even cross my mind. I'm sold on the three point hitch attachment. I was thinking I could even lift the hydraulics to take the weight off the front wheels to get it over a curb or a deep pothole!

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488982#Comment_120488982

I presume your 390 has a pick-up hitch? If so, is there not a drawbar that you can get for them instead of getting that frame? Although you might find that switching them out is a hassle.

Is there anything to stop those A-frames rising on the arms if the load transfers to the rear of the trailer?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120489395#Comment_120489395

Yes there is a drawbar but it's the bother of pulling out the pick-up hitch as you say.

On my old zetor the arms could be lifted up but I don't think it's the case with the 390 if I'm not mistaken, the setting lever is the fixed positional type. It only gives me an inch of wiggle room up and down to attach the implements anyway.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488127#Comment_120488127

If your going Nugent buy direct in Shannon

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119363536#Comment_119363536

We were taking cattle to the factory yesterday morning. We had a 12X6 and a 10X6 box. Cattle were 700kg friesians

The 10X5 could fit 3 quite easily. The 12X6 struggled to carry 5. When loading into the 10X5 the first two go to the front and I e invariably tries to turn the one besides him stops him. The third pushes up slightly between them. There seemed rakes of room.in the box. I cannot say the same for the 12X6 it was a definate struggle to load them. Nearly 50%more area, a foot wider and 2' longer and except they were friesians and I have a good loading area we would not have got them into the 12X6.

We said in future we will sort them and put the three bigger lads into the 10X5

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120748698#Comment_120748698

Often brought 5 pedigree limo sucklers in a 12 x 6. Never any bother loading them. Ranged from 650 to 800 kgs.