How many penalty points allowed to be given in one sitting?

yamaha4life

Hi all,

my friend recently got stopped for speeding and got two other tickets for seperate offences, they total to 7 points which is off the road for her being a learner driver. she needs car for work etc so was planning on paying two fines and going to court asking the judge through a solicitor for amnesty.

anyway the solicitor has rang her two days ago and said that they cant hand out 7 points in one sitting that he has confirmed that with the rsa so pay all fines and they will only send the 3 points for the highest offence on the day.

now im no expert but i think its bull and all points will be added on once fines are paid and the rsa will ask for the licence to be surrendered for the 6 month ban.

anybody know the correct answer?

erlichbachman

I once got pulled over for 3 offences, driving down north Frederic street (bussed only apparently), speeding (to overtake a bus in my way), and parking in a handicap spot (was just running into burgerking for a quick one) - guard that pulled my over pointed out these infringements and stated the penalty for each, said he could only do me for one, and actually gave me the choice of which one to be done for, so I took the latter for a small fine and 1 penalty point.

sirmixalot

You only get the higher of the points of the offence ie if two offences were 2 points each and another offence was 3 points then you only get 3 points. They don't add up to 7.

yamaha4life

so she will only get 3 points when she pays for the seperate 3 tickets. well thats good news for her, i thought they totted up per offence good to know!

sirmixalot

Yep, happened to me when I was caught for 2 offences. Paid both fines and recieved just the points from one of the offences.

User1998

So moral of the story if your going to break the law you might as well break several laws at once😀

Henry Ford III

Offences totalling 7 points is not easy to achieve.

Your friend would want to wise up in a hurry if she wants to keep driving. Her insurer will certainly be interested in her penalty points.

yamaha4life

speeding, driving unaccompanied and no L plates but as other poster has mentioned she will only receive which ever has the highest point the rest will be scrapped.

sirmixalot

And they last 3 years 😔

L1011

If she needs her car for work, she'll get another driving unaccompanied quite quickly by the sounds of things

BronsonTB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058253303/how-many-penalty-points-allowed-to-be-given-in-one-sitting

You get the fines for any offence but you only get the points for the highest offence at same time they were all committed. You do not get points for every offence commited as the same time. Worth nothing she would then be on the gaurds radar as having committed multiple points offences so she should stay by the book if she expects to keep her licence going forward.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119299427#Comment_119299427

Has anybody go a ladder here to help Henry down

yamaha4life

Yeah she was repeatedly told to do driving test when 12 lessons were completed but what can you do! you can only lead a horse to water as they say! I was just wondering for future reference in case i ever get more than one offence doubtful but never say never having a full licence i can have upto 11 not that i ever want that many i have 3 coming of in less than a year be back to 0 then 😊

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119299727#Comment_119299727

I feel quite justified in both being critical of this driver and of offering some relevant advice too.

What's your issue with that exactly?

The Continental Op

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298579#Comment_119298579

As someone visiting from the UK said its like Buy One get as many as you like for free.

mikeybhoy

Fckin hell what did she do to get 7?

Hellrazer

Its a real pity they dont give all 7 at once and keep idiots like this off the road for 6 months.

It should be part of the road traffic act.

yamaha4life

sorry needs the car to get to work! i don't know tbh i was just wanting to know if she were going to be put off the road for totting up to many points. i agree that she should have done her test driving about 3 years now madness

yamaha4life

No idea as i wasn't there probably running late maybe? only speculation though think she said it was a 60km going into an 80km. can't remember how much over she said she was but obviously enough to get pulled

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119299839#Comment_119299839

But you didn’t offer any relevant advice, just hopped up on the high horse.

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119300164#Comment_119300164

Incorrect. Read my original reply again.

I don't think it should be beyond the ability of a learner permit holder to comply with her license and insurance conditions.

If pointing that out means I'm high horsing it in your view then I'm afraid you'll just have to live with it.

mikeybhoy

In her defence she could be on N plates as there is a lot of confusion coming from people who sat their test long before the N plate system came in some folk don't understand it but both have 6 point limit.

I remember relatives asking me was I able to drive on my own with N plates on my car or was I able to drive on the motorway with it.

sam t smith

The car should have been crushed on the spot.

She'll only get points for one offence. I wouldn't mention the points to the insurance company. Probably best to get the test sorted sooner than later and ignore the high horse brigade on boards (there are a handful of people in Ireland who have never, ever done a single thing wrong in their lives - and they all post on boards).

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301796#Comment_119301796

N plates are only fitted after you have passed your test and need to be displayed for 2 years. You can drive unaccompanied on N plates .

The op said his friend never sat her test after taking her 12 lessons.

So she was driving without L plates, speeding and unaccompanied. She should have been put off the road for 6 months.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301796#Comment_119301796

The friend can't be on "N" plates if she hasn't taken and passed a driving test. She is driving on a learner permit to and from work, so she is basically driving with no license and insurance. We can be pretty sure there is no licensed driver with her. It would be safer for everyone to see her learner permit revoked. 3 years and no test application? There's procrastination and then there's taking the mick. Garda should have taken the car off her.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301864#Comment_119301864

Missed that part apologies and yes I'm aware of the law

_Kaiser_

I love all the holier than thou posts here for something that was common practise until not THAT long ago (until the powers that be saw an opportunity to further monetise getting on the road under the guise of "safety").

I wonder how many of those pontificating got their provisional and took to the roads at will? Without any/minimal formal lessons perhaps? Not that I expect any to admit it.

OP's friend was in the wrong. Will pay her fines and get the points under the law. Her insurance will increase accordingly and being a learner she has less future leeway/tolerance so it's more likely to have a lasting impact on her than a full license holder for whom the first 3 points are meaningless in most cases. You'd think she'd killed granny or something the way some of the replies are here!

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301801#Comment_119301801

You need to head over to a place where they still practice public stoning. You'd be in your element there. Ordinary members of the public can join in and throw stones at the condemned in some of those places, get all the aggression out of their system and walk home with a contented smile on their face knowing justice has been served

Bass Reeves

OP your friend will have to behave herself. She will have to sit here test and get here N plate. However for the next two years she has only no leeway. A speeding offence will put her off the road. Any minor in a car she is driving not with a seat belt, on a booster or whatever appropriate safety device they should be on will see her without her licence.

She is literally on her last chance

mikeecho

Delete

newmember2

How can she realistically be expected to put up L plates, and give the game away completely?

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301896#Comment_119301896

The person in question is obviously a learner driver who drives unaccompanied every day. I suppose you are okay with that.

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301841#Comment_119301841

You're obliged to disclose points/offences/convictions. It's not optional.

The Continental Op

I really don't get this "I need a car for work" so its OK to break the law.

A few years back when the law changed I'd have not been too bothered but now if a neighbor or relative was doing it regularly I'd pick up the phone to the Guards.

Hows that for a high horse?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301841#Comment_119301841

Don't advise people to breach the terms of their insurance contract

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119299427#Comment_119299427

is it offences or points the insurance company are interested in?

and if you are done for three offences and get the points for one of them; are you still guilty of all three offences, or just the one which resulted in the points being awarded?

The Continental Op

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302888#Comment_119302888

Or is it more a question of answering all the insurance companies questions honestly? I'm fairly sure I've only been asked or had to tick boxes about penalty points so if an offence didn't incur points I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Dravokivich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301890#Comment_119301890

There was also a time when Drink Driving had higher limits. How dare we challenge those who get pulled now, when they are under the old limits.

cruizer101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119301890#Comment_119301890

Learner drivers on their first license were always required to be accompanied. On their second they weren't and then on subsequent ones they were.

In 2008 the rules changed so that it didn't matter which learner permit you were on you had to be accompanied.

Thats a long enough period for the rules to be in place.

Also not sure how requiring a fully licensed driver is an opportunity for monetization for the RSA/government.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302756#Comment_119302756

That's pretty high and mighty alright, and if you did do it, and you were ostracised and treated like a leper, or worse, in your own community, then I'd have to mount the horse myself and say you deserved it.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302148#Comment_119302148

Bleh. Not so long ago we all drove cars held together with bailer twine and vise grips for steering wheels. I can't get too excited over this.

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303058#Comment_119303058

How about when they are under the new limits and still get disqualified ?

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302756#Comment_119302756

That’s not a horse . It’s a giraffe !

Swaine

All the ould lads flexing their superiority on a learner driver like their Michael Schumacher.

I drove for about 2 years on a provisional, no problems. Wouldn't get away with it now but I still wouldnt criticise someone for it considering the rip off costs and waiting times these days to get a test.

Step down from the high horses lads, you're impressing no one.

magicbastarder

she didn't just get stopped for driving on a provisional, she was done for speeding, and another (i think undisclosed?) offence.

Homer

Spot on.. the amount of clowns on this site that are pure keyboard warriors is sad to see. Including some of the mods. Literally every thread descends into a bitching match and usually between the same few posters including some posting on this thread.

sirmixalot

Maybe just close the thread? The OP got their answer for their mate and she will only get a certain amount of points so all good. That was the original question after all and not what the thread has spiralled into.

highdef

Jesus, I'm driving over 20 years and have never got a ticket for anything, never mind points. Breaking 3 offences in one driving session is just mind boggling from my POV!

erlichbachman

It's just a shame blue peter badges aren't still being given out

Swaine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309836#Comment_119309836

Oh well lock them up and throw away the key then. 🙄