RTE news : Ex-TD expresses concern over handgun licences

Alpha Delta

http://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/0627/1307100-john-deasy-handgun-legislation/

"Handgun culture". Not with legally held handguns John. SMH.

No doubt some modernisation is required regarding licencing and it should be done by people that actually know what they're talking about rather than someone who couldn't tell a .22 CZ from an AK, but a full ban on renewals until the Dáil understand it all is a joke.

archer22

Deasy is just a waster has been jumping on the American tragedies bandwagon in an attempt to remain relevant.

BattleCorp

He said members of the Dáil do not have any information about the guns out there, where they are, who is getting them and who is giving out licenses.

1. It's not normally the Dáil's function to know the information above but they can easily find out if they want.
2. The Gardai are giving out the licences.
3. The Gardai know what guns they are licencing (out there).
4. The Gardai know who they are giving licences to.
5. The Gardai know where they are.

Yer man is fuppin clueless.

Ash.J.Williams

is he trying to undermine the gardai?

cavan shooter

Look what I found the way he is talking you'd swear lads are walking into service stations with pistols on their hips............

http://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/0627/1307100-john-deasy-handgun-legislation/

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258258#Comment_119258258

What does my head in is that drivel like that makes it to print. Does anyone check whether or not one man's ramblings make sense or have some sort of basis in reality.

richiedel123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258258#Comment_119258258

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

keith s

This the same lad?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/deasy-sacked-for-defying-smoke-ban-26006693.html

lertsnim

One of the worst TD's Waterford ever sent to the Dáil and that's some achievement.

cavan shooter

The correography is amazing......just as their is a review of Firearms in the offing a dance straight out of the nutcracker plays out across Irish media outlets with what is classic scare tactics....you couldn't make it up,...

The Continental Op

I read this article on Breakingnews.ie I was amazed at the total ignorance of Greasy Deasy. I thought of this forum when I read it and just wondered where all these young guys were that were going to fight with guns rather than fists. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/former-td-warns-against-beginning-of-handgun-culture-in-ireland-1325670.html

 His fear was that young men would use hand guns to settle disputes rather than their fists.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258427#Comment_119258427

Some interesting comments, in that smoking incident report, from him.

I think the bolded comments below can apply to shooters in this country that are fed up with shite being flung at us. For once something that he has said that I can agree with.

"I am against the smoking ban. I think it is nanny-stateism."

Mr Deasy rejected any suggestion that he should show a good example, especially as a legislator or potential future Minister for Justice charged with enforcing the ban. Mr Deasy argued: "I pay my taxes. I think I should be allowed to live my life any way I like. I accept the health argument, but I was using a legal product."

keith s

Agreed.

The man obviously does whatever he likes, not caring about the health of others.

I'm a smoker and the smoking ban, is to protect those who do not smoke and to protect workers in the workplace,(plus its the law), so I will comply. But they have not outlawed smoking completely, so I agree I pay my taxes and should be allowed live my life and smoke in accordance with the law.

Firearm ownership and the conditions setout for their use are also in the law.

Legal firearm holders (without getting in to specific special cases) are not allowed walk around with firearms or use or brandish them in any situation, location or manner not setout in the conditions of the licence.

This is a classic example of a person who does whatever he wants and to hell with how it effects (affects?) anyone else.

Whether it's smoking in a workplace and breaking the law, or targeting law abiding firearm holders calling them nutjobs “There are nutjobs, and there are nutjobs with guns"

The guy is obviously trying to make waves and be noticed, but he's basically slinging mud at an innocent minority to accomplish his goal. This should tell you all you need to know about the man.

Grizzly 45

At this stage who cares with this utter donkey from Dungarven has to say for himself?

Mr " Its my right to smoke where I want" Deasy's nicotine addiction has killed more people with 2nd hand smoke in a year from lung cancer or emphysema than our pistols have in two decades here.

This man is a has-been politician, with a cushy number given to him by Leo to go off and hobnob with the American Irish ancient order of bigoted Hibernerians and the only reason he is getting any traction is simply that he was the most known political loudmouth on this issue next to that creep, Dermot Aherne, at the time. Again making this incomprehensible and ignorant comparison of what happened in the USA and what might happen in Ireland just shows what an utter ignoramus he is on the topic and should be treated as such.🤣

Grizzly 45

Mr Deasy's disgusting nicotine addiction has probably killed more people with 2nd hand smoke in a year than all the legally held firearms have in a decade. The man is a political has been millionare who only got this interview and traction because he was the biggest political loudmouth at the time.. He'll be bawling next like a little Btch about some nasty Emails that he supposedly got from the nasty Irish gunowners... and had to get Garda protection because of it... According to him that is? Was there any follow up to this? anyone arrested?

Compared to the hate mail an average pro-gun politician or advocate gets. Stuff-like threats to burn down your house with you and your family in it, hoping that your wife, daughter, son, and mother are gang-raped and shot. To look under your car every morning for IEDs etc. Being called a C..t is pretty tame stuff... Big cry baby.🙄

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258029#Comment_119258029

Also,why the Hell should AGS be breaking data protection and privacy laws to be informing politicians or anyone else of what is quite frankly [1] NUNYA! [2] Not qualified to receive such information under the above legislation [3] Have no good reason to possess such without stating for what purposes?

bpb101

Made a complaint to rte.

absolute dog shite. Has anybody here ever seen a place where you can just buy a glock online and it arrives at your door?

one of his main issue is the gardai dont know what licenses were issued. Really speaks of a fundamental issue at how garda intelligence works.

go to pulse and type

Select count(*) , station from dbo.firearm_licence where type=‘handgun’ groupby station

its not that hard

Amazing how a washed up politician can get air time

garrettod

You know, sending in a raft of complaints to RTE about this, is a very good idea, imho.

You can be sure that they'll reject the complaint, so we'll then all need to complain to the BAI, who may or may not agree - but it'll mark RTE's cards for the months ahead (given we're likely to see more crap published about our sport, as this DoJ committee starts to meet etc. )

Uinseann_16

A repeat article is up on another site now too ..

Melodeon

Here's the Claire Byrne Show clip:

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22113647/

deeksofdoom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257971#Comment_119257971

The key term in this article is ex-TD… hopefully he'll stay that way.

Grizzly 45

Wonder what he has to say a out the massive constitutional win in the US for gun owners?😂😂

Don't bother with the BAI,its just a defender of RTE and MSM here,as we have seen before.When they wouldn't even do anything with the "bait &switch"interview with William Egan solr on prime time back in 2016. Don't give them any comment or oxygen and the story dies.Only reason that nictione addicted Dungarven Donkey is braying now,is because he is the only angle they have with an Irish connection to an American incidentOh and of course he "worked on Capitol Hill"As a glorified gofer in basically a Summer job to two Republicans!🥱.Same reason they had to ask the dry land ship wreck survivor Grace O Sullivan's opinion on the NZ shooting and NZ gun laws.

Guess that makes me qualified to speak about air combat in Ukraine then,as I used to pass the Top gun AFB Miramar in San Diego every day when I lived there,and when I was doing pilot training in AZ,one instructor was from Ukraine!😂😂

Munsterlad102

This prat has gotten far too much attention than he deserves, he’s an ex TD for a reason. FG aren’t going to listen to someone who tried to take over the party, nor are they going to give him a “win” of any sorts. Best thing we can do is ignore him or get one of our own to show how his policies are stupid and don’t work.

judestynes

He seems to be all about the dail being in the dark as the how many and what is licensed in the state, the dail are probably just as much in the dark as to how many excavators are licensed in the state because excavators aren't a problem and neither are legally held firearms and this needs to be pointed out. Comparing well anywhere really to the U.S. is comparing apples and oranges.

Grizzly 45

Beats me why we cant use comparisons like; Northern Ireland Vs Republic. Polar opposites in gun ownership, and one with concealed carry possibility as well.

The Czech Republic, the "Texas" of Europe and a state in the EU with now more or less the RTKBA enshrined in its constitution.even possible to own full-auto in certain circumstances

Austria, also another state with concealed carry available, and pretty much any firearms,[bar pump-action shotguns for some reason] are available on demand. Both have the same population, more or less as Ireland in gun ownership.

Maybe because one had a Soviet Russian boot on its neck for 50 years, and the other is genuinely neutral and realises an armed population is a good asset to have?

Makes more sense than trying to compare.250 k worth of licensed firearms and a population of +/- 4.75 million that would fit comfortably into Los Angeles as being new to the parish without too much disruption.To a country of close to 400 million people with now well North of half a billion known firearms and an estimated one TRILLION rounds of ammo in private hands. Blue whale and dormouse comparison.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119264610#Comment_119264610

Fabian Connolly should just print off the below and pass it around:

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265404#Comment_119265404

Oh come on, Reddit as a source? Not to mention the multitude of things wrong with it. It doesn’t differentiate between semi auto rifles and other long guns, it doesn’t bother to classify Russian and British policies, it’s wrong for Romanian regarding handguns and it’s groups are far to wide, lumping in Poland’s lenient policies with Denmark and Greece which are extremely harsh when it comes to semi autos.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267257#Comment_119267257

It originated from here, fair enough I take yer point however handguns are legal in an awful lot of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

Thinkingaboutit

More restrictions on the tiny number of legally held handguns will be respected by every criminal and ne'er do well. Deasy seems to have puffed away his already limited mental faculties. Maybe something for an anti-smoking campaign - don't smoke away yer brains (like Deasy)!

judestynes

I don't think any new legislation is being considered with criminality in mind, criminals will do what criminals will do. It's ordinary everyday people, legal firearms owners snapping one day out of the blue and going on a rampage that concerns the state. So instead of implementing policies relieving the stress we all feel like capping rents, capping fuel prices, adequate mental health services, functioning public transport proper roads, rewarding employers for implementing flexi working hours so motorways aren't clogged up 6 hours or very day, you know, little things so people including gun owners don't loose their rag and go on a killing spree but I suppose it's easier just to ban guns than do all that hard work.

The Continental Op

legal firearms owners snapping one day out of the blue and going on a rampage that concerns the state

Anyone that goes through all the hoops to get a firearms licence in this country and didn't snap during the process is unlikely to be going on a rampage.

Grizzly 45

Was watching Ian Mc Collum[Gun Jesus] of Forgotten weapons fame, having a chat with two Slovenian lads who founded Polynar Tactical on YT, about firearms laws in the EU and Slovenia. they made some very interesting points about licensing[who would want to screw it up personally,once you have gone thru all the hoops and loops?], and govts introducing gun laws, and who objected the most to gun law changes and silencer ownership in Slovenia [Old school senior police officers], and on how EU legislation will affect firearms ownership... Y'know...we all sorta have the same problems EU wide. Some of us just handle it better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21LZiESWCU&t=3s

Grizzly 45

I don't think any new legislation is being considered with criminality in mind, criminals will do what criminals will do. It's ordinary everyday people, legal firearms owners snapping one day out of the blue and going on a rampage that concerns the state. 

It NEVER is concerned about criminality or mass shooting for that matter. If it is about such. Then it is an OUTRAGE that we, as law-abiding citizens should be held to ransom and made accountable for the actions of criminals and law breakers or the insane, in deciding what we may own or use.

Even that creep Aherne said so himself while he was blathering on about "American gun culture in Ireland" It's about control of the population. From the UN arms control,[International Small Arms Control Standard 03.30 document National Regulation of civilian access to small arms and light weapons] which has influenced the EU directives,[As few weapons as possible in EU citizens hands] to the Irish govt even saying in the oughties in a written statement from DOJ that the fundamental reason of gun control in Ireland is the protection of the state.

Simply put and without sounding cliched, free men keep arms...

dc99

”Speaking to RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne, Mr Deasy said there had been a handgun ban in the State since the 1970s but that due to legal action, the law was loosened and by 2008 there were 1,800 handguns in the general population.”

Correct me if I’m wrong - but there never a BAN in the 1970’s. What happened was AGS just stopped issuing licenses and refused licenses for short firearms. There was no basis in law for them to have done that.

The legal case was to challenge that. And from memory on the steps of courts they issued the licence and opened the “flood Gates”

Grizzly 45

Correct...There was the Temp custody order of 1972,and also correct in that statement ,more or less,that aGS refused to issue liscenses.After 18 years post IRA ceasefire there was no good reason to keep this refusal in place and it was challenged.

1800 handguns in the state...WOW!! Benn in gun stores in the EU that have had that in stock. Pity we never get the chance to point out the minutae of these numbers from our side.

judestynes

"It NEVER is concerned about criminality or mass shooting for that matter. If it is about such. Then it is an OUTRAGE that we, as law-abiding citizens should be held to ransom and made accountable for the actions of criminals and law breakers or the insane, in deciding what we may own or use"

That's my point, and the states. People are law abiding and sane, until they're not , for the reasons I mentioned. In the case of mass shooters, some of them are turned that way over time fed a constant stream of hatred from which ever news source they listen to, tends to be right wing and others just snap, it rained too many days in a row, there's no strawberry milk in the fridge or what ever pushes them over the edge that day so I get it. I get why they're worried. What I don't get is why steam rolling a bunch of what will most likely be ill informed or uninformed legislation is plan A because none of that will stop anyone flipping their lid, they'll just find some other way of venting that frustration.

JP22

 ...................but I suppose it's easier just to ban guns than do all that hard work.

Its always been easier for those in power to do a runner, do nothing, stick their heads in the sand or to ban whatever than do the right thing, like make proper laws, rules, etc....... fit for a modern society.

judestynes

I always maintained banning something only means they haven't the skill or the smarts to legislate for it.

Grizzly 45

In the case of mass shooters, some of them are turned that way over time fed a constant stream of hatred from which ever news source they listen to, tends to be right wing and others just snap, it rained too many days in a row, there's no strawberry milk in the fridge or whatever pushes them over the edge that day 

You missed one point,or two actually. There have been just as many Democrat voters and liberals involved in mass shootings as there have been card-carrying racists and Republicans. So politics is not a deciding factor.Or skin colour or religion.Been Jewish,Muslim and other religious mass shootings

However, strange that 90plus % of mass shooters have been on,or off medication.Usually a Lithium-based [Valium] med. Huberty, the San Ysidro Mc Donalds shooter had mental problems and knew he wasn't right in the head was on prescribed meds. Harris& Klebold of Littleton Co were both on meds for "teenage problems" Klebolds medical records are sealed due to the "sensitive commercial nature" of whatever he was being fed in toxins. The trouble is in the US is there is a pill for everything..Just watch their TV adverts. There is stuff that is being sold ,that is prescription only in Europe,over the counter in the US The average American must rattle these days with all the meds they take on a daily basis.

So self-medicating America has a cocktail of drugs in its system that no doubt is going to cause someone to blow their fuse.

I would say big pharma with its 200 million dollars a YEAR in lobbying money,which puts the entire US "gun lobby" of 200 million dollars lobbying money since 2010 in the utter CHUMP CHANGE league in Washington DC.Has a lot more to answer for mass shootings than the gunowners of the US.

It would be interesting to see also were any mass shooters here in the EU, were also on prescribed meds at the time they went off the rails,or did they have a history of using prescribed meds?

Grizzly 45

He said members of the Dáil do not have any information about the guns out there, where they are, who is getting them and who is giving out licenses.

ANDD Thiss is what happens when you give political clowns like Deasy this information,and something happens that they don't like;What happened in California after the Supreme court ruling in favour of constitutional legal carry

From the online "The Reload" magazine

In the wake of the first major Supreme Court Second Amendment ruling in over a decade and the first new federal restrictions on gun ownership in several decades, I thought the news might slow down a bit. That wasn't the case.

Instead, we broke the news that California leaked the private information of every concealed carry permit holder in the state. And now it turns out the leak was even larger than that encompassing data from dealer sales records, the "assault weapons" registry, and even information on "red flag" orders. The state says it is going to contact everyone who was affected and offer them credit monitoring.

mattimahoe

I listened to the interview and it is so annoying that there was no challenge or request for clarification on any of the stupid comments, so many things that are just not relevant, outright wrong or out of all context. Surely as an interviewer there is a responsibility to understand the subject matter and be able to challenge and probe on some of the absurd comments.

The really annoying thing for me is, my guns are locked away in a safe and out of sight but I walk into numerous houses where the shotgun is standing in the corner at the back door or in the kitchen and there are far more shooting injuries and fatalities with legally held shotguns than handguns, but yet the "problem" is handguns - really?

https://about.rte.ie/contact/complaints/ is where you get info on how to make a complaint or provide feedback, I have opted for the Feedback route but I think we all need to be heard on this.

Grizzly 45

This is where they will catch you and not uphold the complaint

b) the broadcast treatment of current affairs, including matters which are either of public controversy or the subject of current public debate, is fair to all interests concerned and that the broadcast matter is presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of his or her own views, except that should it prove impracticable in relation to a single broadcast to apply this paragraph, two or more related broadcasts may be considered as a whole if the broadcasts are transmitted within a reasonable period of each other.

This is not to say don't waste your time doing this but what the more than likely outcome will be.

IOW if the reporter was agreeing totally with what Deasy was saying on air. Then we have a case. But if she was just let Deasy spout BS on air, so long as he isn't saying anything abusive about us as a whole,[and yes group defamation is now becoming a thing under Irish defamation law, which has replaced /updated the libel and slander law]

The other problem is that nowadays the MSM doesn't work under a code of balanced reporting anymore, and hasn't since the 1980s.IOW, they don't have to get an opposing opinion to balance the report or article. We all apparently have "the right to reply", but as you can see it can be ignored, edited, chopped or otherwise perverted to make your complaint not worth an inch of column space.

This is why we need our own alternative media platform for shooting globally.It's why everyone is doing podcasts and YT and other channels,as they know they will never get a hearing from MSM.imagine the NRA etc having to rely on CNN/NBC/ NYT for a fair reply on US TV? Its why they have NRA TV so they can get their side of the story out.

17hmr1

What's the story with him all of a sudden getting on the media with this subject.Why is it any of his business,he's just an ex TD so why are they taking any notice of him.

Did he ever care enough to bring this to cabinet when he was a TD or is it he is now looking for a way back into politics and he's using the "guns bad "memo to try garner attention for himself.

Other than him being a bit of an attention seeker the media are absolutely terrible on seeing if he's talking bull or challenging him on his statements.But I suppose the general population hate guns so why would the media bother arguing for them(unless we are not sending any to Ukraine, then guns are good and everyone in the country should have 1).Last bit is a bit tongue in cheek but it rings true.

Grizzly 45

He was the most obvious figure that they can remember from back then that said anything on this topic, has an "American connection to Congress" and was threatened by some emails ostensibly from some nasty gun owners back then, that he had to seek Garda protection. Big Baby! 🤣

Otherwise like most of yesterday's men in the political world like Bertie, or the most forgettable UK PM ever, John Major, or Biffo, they are wheeled out occasionally to mumble about things they were involved in the media and then shoved back into senile retirement to enjoy their loot. Which in Deasy's case is 2 million USD. If he thinks that's a vote-grabbing topic as to who owns handguns in Ireland, when we are looking at either eating or putting petrol in the car to get to work, to fill the petrol tank. Or whether we can afford to put the immersion or the heating on once a month this Winter, he is utterly deluded as to what is going on with the Irish citizens' concern.

delboythedub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267339#Comment_119267339

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267339#Comment_119267339

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267339#Comment_119267339

Approx 60 Irish people die every week from cigarette related illness.

Grizzly 45

And 0.000001% of the population has died from an incident involving either CF pistols or SACF rifles or restricted shotguns in the time frame of 2006 to the present day.

Like anything if people took time to actually analyse quoted figures by politicians or other sources. Like Eamon Ryan claiming 1,400 people die from wood or turf smoke or "air pollution"every year.[non-specified]1,400 people in a population of now close to 5 million is what? 0.0000 something

So even 1800 handguns in the population is minuscule.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284074#Comment_119284074

I wasn't aware that there were any cases, apart from the illegal stuff of course, and those were only pistols.

Grizzly 45

Annnddd...Yup....In the case of the Danish mall shooter on Sunday. Full of anti-depressents namely Quetiapine.Used for severe depression, drug rehab, bipolar affective disorder, and schizophrenia.

Now there is a study that Ireland is starting to prescribe anti-depressents to kids as young as 11.

This is exactly what the US did 35 to 40 years ago when mass shootings started to become in vogue.Quick mental fixes instead of counselling. And before we get a pithy response "of well we don't have as many guns in the US,so we won't have as many shootings!" Maybe keep an eye then on how many Irish teens will start taking their own lives without guns. As that is utterly alarming as it is at the moment for Ireland,what will it be like once they are on meds?

tonysopprano

Wonder will Deasy make a complaint about O'Cuiv's illegal importation of a handgun into Ireland? and his illegal possession of same?

Grizzly 45

Like politicans anywhere in the world.The law applies to US peasants, not them!

delboythedub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290153#Comment_119290153

Grizzly45 I think you hit the nail on the head with the above post. Back in 50s, 60,70, 80s and 90s you could buy a gun in the USA by mail order and it would be delivered by post, you could even buy a gun through private sale and back then there was no mass shootings. Today in USA with all the regulations regards firearms sales / background check AND gun free areas I think your post Grizzly puts some light on this situation . Some churches ( and Starbucks) over there are now allowing carry & conseal permit holders to bring their pistol to church on mass days so if there is a problem it can be sorted out quickly. Stats have shown that these mass shooters only pick areas like Shopping Malls and I dare say Schools where people have no way of defending themselves. Think that school teachers are being asked to carry a gun in the class room??.