The Pushback against Leftism

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119550744#Comment_119550744

Of course they can

Straight men can be attracted to trans women or cis women

Gay men can be attracted to trans men or cis men

This idea that sexual orientation is rigidly fixed is completely absurd and bizarre. A lot of cis people only want to have relationships with other cis people. Thats fine. It doesnt mean that a gay man in a relationship with a trans man is straight or bi.

Beasty

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AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119550615#Comment_119550615

So you want to leave trans kids alone?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119550719#Comment_119550719

Bit of a difference though between Slang, hairstyles, clothing, piercings and gender. Do you reckon many kids are going to proceed with medication and surgery after multiple psychiatric and psychological assessments because of some trend?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119550869#Comment_119550869

Gay men are physically/sexually attracted to other men. Lesbians/gay women are physically/sexually attracted to other women. Either sex physically/sexually attracted to both or those who alternate depending on circumstances are bisexual.

Most people fix on one orientation, and don't deviate from it. Which is why Heterosexuals far outnumber LGB. And L/G far outnumber Bisexuals. If you've actually been to Pride events or LGB nightclubs, you'd know this.

A gay man who is physically/sexually attracted to women is no longer gay. He's bisexual.

However, as you advocate for Trans beliefs, everything is fluid. Nothing has a definite and specific meaning anymore.

If you don't believe that transgenderism is possible then its impossible to accept that a transitioned man could be attractive to another gay man. Thats your issue not the loving couples.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551010#Comment_119551010

Can we back up a second. Is this argument coming about because people are trying to say a Gay Pride event was a Gay only Pride event, not an LGBTQIA+ etc. pride event?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551162#Comment_119551162

No. The argument is saying that cis gay men cannot be gay if they are attracted to trans men who are gay. Its completely absurd.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551010#Comment_119551010

It's perfectly fine that some lesbians or gay people or straight people are not attracted to trans people. Other gay men, lesbians and straight people have no problem being sexually attracted to trans people. That doesnt change their sexual orientation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551162#Comment_119551162

I quoted Anna, and responded directly to her post... why are you seeking to make it about something else?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551272#Comment_119551272

That's a different argument though. I mentioned nothing about Trans in my post (except for the last line), and referred to your making the sexual orientations into being fluid, which they're not.

Overheal

I was just making sure my wires were not crossed, thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119550869#Comment_119550869

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551272#Comment_119551272

Okay. Seems I misunderstood your position.

Straight men can be attracted to Trans women. However, what happens when they find out that the Trans woman used to be a man? When the clothes come off, and don't find the usual equipment, or through the foreplay stage?

Some men might not care. Most straight men probably would care. So.. what's the situation then? Does it matter?

Gay men can be attracted to trans men or cis women

Can you expand on that? Cis women being biological women, or women with that gender assigned at birth, yes? So, how would a gay man be attracted to a woman, and still be gay? Wouldn't that make him bisexual, not gay?

Most bisexuals I know have a dominant orientation. There's a preference involved, that sometimes shifts, but for the most part they focus on one sex, which tends to become far more fixed as they get older. Some don't but, that's mostly the young bisexuals.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551306#Comment_119551306

🤣🤣🤣 I made no fluids

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551359#Comment_119551359

ooops - Sorry about that that - a typo

Its perfectly fine that some people only want cisgender partners.

Straight men being attracted to or being in a relationship with trans women doesnt make them gay or bi

Gay men attracted to or being in a relationship with trans men doesnt make them straight or bi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552369#Comment_119552369

Point of order. The term Cis-gender is in itself a effort to place an unwarranted label on a portion of the population

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552369#Comment_119552369

I’m a straight male, I’m not, nor ever have been cisgender or a cis-male. Could you stop misgendering a huge percentage of the population?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552651#Comment_119552651

You identify how you like :)

The thing about the label "cis" gender is that when you hang out iwth or move in circles where there are a lot of trans people, the prefix "cis" is needed a bit more often for clarity. Outside of those circles - not so much, sure.

But feel free to put your own word on it and use that. They really don't care what you call yourself anywhere near as much as you think they do,

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Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552369#Comment_119552369

You force the term "cis" on people against their will and even after they've rejected it yet you're also the exact type who would go in a meltdown over someone misusing pronouns. Cop on to yourself.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553972#Comment_119553972

My gender is male. Cisgender is a recently made up word, I’m a cis nothing. Stop misgendering me.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119554959#Comment_119554959

I've never told, or would tell, anyone to get over themselves when being misgendered so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119554890#Comment_119554890

What force?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555966#Comment_119555966

I didnt "force" anything - It's bemusing really. Noone ever ranted about "straight" being a made-up word for their heterosexuality.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555991#Comment_119555991

I mean I’d just like some example why they feel forced/oppressed/whatever. Force newtons, force legal, force mitichlorian, what

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555714#Comment_119555714

Eh... I didn't make any comment on your gender one way or the other. In fact, I invited you to do so - which is the exact opposite...?

This just goes to prove most of if not all of this "misgendering" is going on entirely in your head. Time to put the victim cards away.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555865#Comment_119555865

Yeah, was more of a generalised post, but I can see where the confusion lies. Apologies about that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555966#Comment_119555966

The use of an unwanted phrase/classification, especially when you've told that person that they don't like it being used. Most of the posters here are regulars to the Trans topics, and have been repeatedly told that cis is offensive to many traditionalists (for want of a better word).

I've seen similar objections by Trans/Trans advocates about misgendering, or not obliging them with the use of Trans specific terminology. By using the phrase, you're forcing your perspective on to others, in spite of their feedback.

I don't particularly agree with the idea, as I think people are getting far too sensitive over the terms used, however, I can appreciate the annoyance over the double standards being applied.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119556091#Comment_119556091

Apology accepted.

Such indignity when literally no one expects a person to self describe as cis. Fake outrage maybe ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119557228#Comment_119557228

So, have you ever actually been in this position, or is hypothetically? I mean, you say "force" - has anyone ever actually used the phrase to describe you in your presence to the point where you felt threatened by it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119558983#Comment_119558983

You're playing with words. None of this is difficult to understand.

Love how you're skipping over what I said, and completely ignoring the double standard being applied.

If, as a trans advocate, you want Trans people to be treated with respect over their desired pronouns, you should also respect those who don't want Trans terminology applied to them.

The fact that you want to complicate the issue shows (at least to me) that you're less interested in a reasonable/fair change in society, and are just pushing the crusade. Convert or die! No middle ground. No compromise. ie. forcing others.

No it's quite simple klas, no trans/gay person has ever expected you to acknowledge the Cis designation.

It a term used within the community to designate another group.

As I said, fake outrage.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559294#Comment_119559294

My point is that I've never encountered anyeone who used the term "cis" with force or when having been requested not to, hence my question. YOU are the one playing with words in order to invent a situation in order to create the double standards.

Now - again - has it ever happene that you been forced to endure the "use of unwanted phrase/classification, especially when you've told that person that they don't like it being used" with regard to the use of the word "cis"; or is the situation hypothetical?