The Pushback against Leftism

whatchagonnado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271542#Comment_119271542

Linguistic gymnastics to justify the 'othering' of people.

Edit; Not to mention that it makes no logical sense either.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271560#Comment_119271560

Othering. Another leftie stalwart.

whatchagonnado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271565#Comment_119271565

And? Just throwing out statements here, any points to make?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271486#Comment_119271486

Both sides again.

whatchagonnado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271599#Comment_119271599

Very fine people.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271629#Comment_119271629

Even worse, this stuff is directly imported from America, by people who oddly claim that American politics has little to no influence over Ireland, when that's clearly not the case.

You people are honestly as American as a Democrat for California at this stage, and all of this has happened in just the space of a few years. You likely claim to hate the place too, yet you've made it a central part of your life.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271599#Comment_119271599

??

I'm mainly familiar with that phrase from the Russia-Ukraine conflict. I agree its unfair to say Ukraine has equal blame for the invasion.

Yes I do believe that left-liberals are themselves in huge part responsible for the culture wars. If that's a neoliberal trap then its one they've walked right into.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271678#Comment_119271678

Nope. It's the edgy culture warriors who imported this drivel. No amount of "both sides" soapboxing alters this.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271689#Comment_119271689

This is beyond delusional. The Trump threads, the Biden threads, the American shooting threads, the abortion threads, are all about America, and they are nearly always started by people like yourself, or at least you engage heavily in them. Our media outlets too often resemble the likes of CNN with a massive focus on what's happening in America, yet it's the other side who the guilty ones? Of course there's another side to that, but you're literally claiming that they are all too blame for the obsession with American politics? Madness, absolute madness.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271717#Comment_119271717

Prove it then. I'm not stupid enough to take the word of someone calling me delusional in good faith.

growleaves

There's a shell game going on where left-wing posters claim to be interested economics primarily but under no circumstances will they give an inch in their insistence on cultural issues which they claim are an irrelvant distraction.

They acknowledge that immigration is driven by neoliberal ideologues and big corporations to create a spigot of cheap labour but go silent if they are asking about limiting it on principle.

Shell game

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271735#Comment_119271735

I've never be a fan of your views, but over the years you've reduced yourself to cheap stuff like the above and that's honestly sad. The proof is literally on the main page of CA, it's empirical. To deny something so observable is something no one should ever do, because when you can deny that you can deny literally anything.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271742#Comment_119271742

Yeah, it's the general approach alright.

We hate the right so much, yet we support all these institutions that we claim are right wing, even though we hate the right and are the left. And no the left are not in power, and have never been in power, because Che Guevara currently isn't a position of power.

Honestly though, I think we're just as bad for trying to dance on the slippiest floor that you'll find, and for some reason we do it daily too. Maybe we're just as mad, but just in a different way? 🤡

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271785#Comment_119271785

Nothing but personal attacks. As expected.

whatchagonnado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271678#Comment_119271678

"You people..." Another example.

I mean, you can keep repeating this 'American', 'Californian Democract' line all you like, but at some point you're going to have to at least try to explain why that's a bad thing.

Claim to hate what place? What on earth are you talking about?

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271689#Comment_119271689

BLM was brought here by right wingers?

Tony EH

@BruteStock Language doesn't evolve.

Knave, thee speaketh the w'rds of a fooleth 😉

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119270760#Comment_119270760

What does progressive mean to you?

What makes something a progressive policy?

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272791#Comment_119272791

I think Chesterton was on the ball when he spoke of how modernists view the term:

"Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back".

Anything new is essentially progressive, regardless of whether it is functional or not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272829#Comment_119272829

Which actually is a perfect definition of conservative - people who refuse to update the ideas/ideals because they are afraid of change.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272845#Comment_119272845

So what makes something progressive?.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272845#Comment_119272845

His point wasn't about fear of change though, it was about how mad it is to view all new things as good things, simply because they are new. And of course his point was also that some old things have value and shouldn't be abandoned just because they are old. We don't even have to reduce the topic to petty politics to see his point. We can look at all the supposed technological advancements that we've embraced without thinking, social media being a great example, as it's now something that most of us would say has been a bad thing for the human race, yet it is still viewed as "progress" all the same.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272892#Comment_119272892

Which if people were reasonable in their conversation then we could agree with what you have just said. When we turn peoples positions into uncritical stereotypes then all we have done is create a straw man to knock down and declare victory. Not productive.

However when I see the same prejudices been directed to the same minorities by the same conservatives - can you blame me for calling you what you claim not to be.

Brucie Bonus

Why do I see people associating those who support social policy with Putin? It wouldn't be a sneaky underhanded way of smearing the policies they don't like by any chance?

The left isn't a club with members. You can be left politically and condemn putin at the same time. As mentioned, only a year or so ago the champion of the Rep. GOP movement was talking about how great Putin was.

Can someone name leading lights on 'the left' who support Putin or refuse to condemn his actions?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272892#Comment_119272892

Nobody views "all new things as good things".

dorothylives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271826#Comment_119271826

Your post just reminded me that I can't remember the last time I saw a Che Guevara t shirt. There was a time you could almost guarantee you'd see at least 1 student a week wearing one, totally unaware of what the guy really was and what he really stood for. Come to think of it I haven't seen any of those iffy looking black and white Israeli scarfs either. You'd sometimes see the Che t-shirt and Palestinian flag on the same student.

Mic 1972

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274368#Comment_119274368

There is no need for Che Guevara t-shirts anymore, now we have the LGBTQA flag that represents the same Marxists ideology

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274342#Comment_119274342

They're defended under the propagandistic title of "progressive", though.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280169#Comment_119280169

The Inuit people consider 'eskimo' derogatory and offensive. Like everything, if a phrase or term offends someone or group, I will stop using the term. I don't feel hard done by or like my way of life is being threatened.

Privilaged white males claiming they are been oppressed - you couldn't make this **** up.