New development at Leixlip Gate

Stealthirl

Anyone know where I'd find the planning for the new development at Leixlip Gate?

There's nothing on the KCC site and i could not find anything useful via pleanala.ie. http://www.leixlipgateshd.ie/ is no longer available either.

Mikros

I think Cairn homes have taken over that development. You can view the KCC planning documents under ref 20307223. The ABP Inspectors report is available here: https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/307223

lasitpant19

They have named it - Harpur lane - https://www.cairnhomes.com/new-homes/harpur-lane

Gotfoodforphil

It actually opened for viewing Fri/Sat just gone, I was at it myself. All 3-bed semi-d’s were €500,000+, an the mid-terraces were a little less. I know that when I was leaving the first phase (due to be finished start of 2023) were all gone

WishUWereHere

Is it any wonder the country is gone mad, half a million Euros plus for a 3 bed semi????

Gotfoodforphil

It was grim. And such a sense of panic about getting a name next to a house.

mickey15ie

Anyone have the pricing list from the viewings?

Buddy Bubs

3 beds are listed on daft as 86 Square metres. Don't know if that's correct or not, but it's small if it is.

Mental money and it's about as far from leixlip village as you can get, not that there's much in the village any more.

Gotfoodforphil

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Numbers 3 & 4 Harpur Close (terraced 3-beds) were €495,000. All the 3 bed semi-d’s were €500,000 - 520,000 (only one or two of them opposite apartments with easterly gardens were at €500,000), and the six 4 bed semi-d’s started at €570,000

Gotfoodforphil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573498#Comment_119573498

That’s the two beds, three beds were all 117 - 120 sqm.

lasitpant19

mad money.. !! i went in for the viewing and reserved a 3bed mid terrace (in my budget) for now.

prices are kinda similar to new developments in celbridge and lucan. One thing i found good was the rooms were a bit bigger to the other developments i went in for viewings. Did anyone reserve or thinking of ?

Rosahane

I’ve believe that all 40 in the first phase are sold!

aisehi

I have got a viewing appointment in the coming week. I believe there would be many who have got their houses in the phase 1. Can someone please provide some info like is this a new phase which is rolling out or left-over from the previous phase? what is the general review about the place like commuting, surrounding, build quality etc?

Also would there be anything specific to ask or look out for while viewing? Thanks in advance!

Rosahane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679528#Comment_119679528

They seem to be putting them on the market in phases - 20 to 40 art a time. There are over 200 being built.

Build quality - they are timber frame. Estate seems to be nicely finished. Maybe look at what house you like and consider proximity to Apartment blocks and creche which aren't built yet.

Commuting - bus stops on the main road max about 300 metres. Train 15 to 20 minutes walk. M4 motorway about 2 minutes drive.

It's Leixlip so very low crime and anti social issues. Schools within 20 minutes walking distance, GAA, Rugby, Athletics Gyms etc. in Amenities centre. No swimming pool.

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680975#Comment_119680975

Thanks Rashane for a detailed info! Really appreciate!

aisehi

Does any one has room measurements for B3 and C3 house types? Or rather where can i find these details?

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691261#Comment_119691261

I have booked a 3 bed mid B1 type. I have attached the measurements i have been shared. Maybe it will help as B1/B2/B3 have similar size as per brochure

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680975#Comment_119680975

Do you mind asking me asking? have you booked a house in harpur?

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691838#Comment_119691838

Thank you so much! Did you got these measurements after signing the contract? I could not find these on the cairn website.

xusx595

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119692807#Comment_119692807

It is included in the contract.

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119692807#Comment_119692807

I had paid the deposit and then got a good few documents from cairn with more details of the plans and contract.

Rosahane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691842#Comment_119691842

Nope. I've lived in Leixlip for decades!

Rosahane

It might be useful for prospective purchasers to look at the planning documents which include site layout and house plans.

They are on the KCC website http://webgeo.kildarecoco.ie/planningenquiry#

Filenumber is 20307223 , or Search with Leixlip Gate as the location on the website.

Edit: The relevant applicant name on the planning site above is ES Leixlip Greenfields

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693407#Comment_119693407

thanks a ton for this.

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119692807#Comment_119692807

@aisehi are you looking to book a house in this development? wanted know as i have booked a 3 bed here and mostly will be signing the contract soon. wanted to know what others are thinking as there isn't a group on facebook as of yet.

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693407#Comment_119693407

Thankyou so much! this would be really useful. It seems they doesn't put up all the houses types or atleast the size differs compared to what they show us and what they use for approvals.

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695841#Comment_119695841

Yeah I have booked a house type C3 there. I also observed there isn't a group like such. May be we can start this and others can join in.

lasitpant19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697241#Comment_119697241

@aisehi just found a group not much active but has 3-4 guys in it.

link --> https://www.facebook.com/groups/465816678901469

I am in the final stages signed the contracts and posted it to solicitor so hopefully closing it in 3-4 days.

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701430#Comment_119701430

That's great! Congratulation on your new home!

aisehi

Has anyone got keys to their house yet? or the 1st batch would be ready by Dec 2022 only?

xusx595

@aisehi , I guess it is highly unlikely someone got the keys already. As far as I know, the very first viewing was on 2 Sept. So for house buyers with a mortgage, it may take 21 days or more to sign the contract and send it back, and extra few days to receive the signed contract from the vendor. Extra few days for claiming HTB and the developer to receive the HTB fund...

lasitpant19

@aisehi i had signed the contract a few days back. I had booked the house at the 1st viewing. I have been told dec 2022 at max jan 2023.

From the day of booking, i was given a timeline of 3 weeks to sign the contracts but it took a few extra days to sort out things at the bank for an offer letter. I requested an extension and got it for another 2 weeks. Sharing the info in case it helps anyone.

aisehi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119711929#Comment_119711929

Just talked with somone who viewed it on Aug 30. And till now everyone has been given an approx completion of dec/jan 2023.

Rosahane

Cairn have submitted a planning application for phase 2 of Harpur Lane. It extends south towards the motorway. The application is in pre validation so you won’t see details until that stage is completed..

It’s application number 221226 on the KCC planning site: http://webgeo.kildarecoco.ie/planningenquiry#

Rosahane

I finally got around to viewing the Harpup Lane show houses today.

Three and four bed were on view.

We thought the three bed was much better option than the four bed with a bigger living room and three double - at a push- bedrooms. The four bed was only marginally bigger but the three of the bedrooms were cramped and the living room was also small.

In both the garden was tiny; adding a very necessary small shed would take up half the space. In front two cars would be a squeeze!

For far less money any of the older houses for sale in Leixlip are far better value long term, although I appreciate the benefits of buying a new build!

madhan

@Rosahane Great, thanks for the review. I’ve been following your comments about Leixlip . All genuine and honest ones. The only drawback I see is that there are no superstores in a walkable distance, Either it’s 20 or 30 mins. And the attic is not easily convertable as per builders

madhan

@Rosahane Great, thanks for the review. I’ve been following your comments about Leixlip . All genuine and honest ones. The only drawback I see is that there are no superstores in a walkable distance, Either it’s 20 or 30 mins. And the attic is not easily convertable as per builders

Rosahane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924229#Comment_119924229

That's pretty much it. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see something on the commercial zoned land on the left as you go to Intel. Whether that would be a good or bad thing is debatable.

kazamo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119925888#Comment_119925888

I would be surprised if any “superstores” appeared on the plan for around Intel. KCC have an obsession with housing in Leixlip and have had numerous opportunities to rectify it over the past 50 years but continue to allow more and more houses to be built.

At this stage, if planning was given for a large grocery unit, who would occupy it ?.

Tesco are in the three towns surrounding Leixlip and Dunnes are in Maynooth and unlikely to commit to another unit so close by. SuperValu are already in Leixlip. Just consider that Lidl in Leixlip, was the old Hitchin Post pub, it’s not as if KCC earmarked that as a retail area.

As a nation, we will get numerous lectures about the planet and the harm that driving does, but if you allow bad planning over decades then you have to deal with the consequences.

JimmyCorkhill

What are they looking for for the 3 beds in Harpur?

Gotfoodforphil

For the B3 type 3-bed semi-d it’s €510,000 and €525,000

JimmyCorkhill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949238#Comment_119949238

Ty, spoke with an estate agent on it, who said they have sold none of the 3 beds, not sure is it a new phase or what. Surely if the drop to 500k they will sell?

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949238#Comment_119949238

Bloody hell, that's crazy money!

There are other 3 & 4 bed houses in Leixlip, closer to the village, that will go for cheaper than that. To pay over 500k for a 3 bed that is nearly 3km from the town centre is absolute madness!

Gotfoodforphil

Did you speak with Leah in Hooke-McDonald or Hannah in Coonan?

I went to the first viewings in early Sept and it was panic panic panic to get your name against a house. I originally put us down for a B3 with a shady garden for €510,000, naively thinking I could barter them down to €500,000 by saying exclude the white goods, tiling allowance, etc. but they were having none of it. I even contacted Cairn to ask. Essentially laughed at for asking such a thick question.

They won’t lower those prices, the houses will sell, and even more so come January with the increased income ratios.

That said, not sure what they would mean by saying none of the 3 beds have sold…

JimmyCorkhill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949849#Comment_119949849

The former.

Did you stick with the B3? Have you signed contracts?

In the brochure it doesn't mention anything about a tiling allowance, was it mentioned at the viewing?

The houses are currently on sale with a viewing this weekend again, maybe the current 3 beds have not sold? Unless I picked her up wrong and she said none are left but fairly sure it was none had really sold. Its costing 40k more for first time buyer selling at 510k, whereas Cairns is only losing 10k if they drop to 500k & saves a first time buyer 40k.

Gotfoodforphil

No, ultimately decided that we couldn’t afford the €40,000 differential that you’ve described. Plus, a part of me was a little pissed off at the greed of the estate agents and Cairn that they priced the houses as such, but it’s the market we’re in and they’re not charity’s either.

Have gone sale agreed elsewhere in Leixlip on a nice second hand home (for a lot of money too I might add, unfortunately), hopefully that comes through. I’ll keep an eye on Harpur Lane for sure in the miracle chance the prices drop, but can’t justify it in any other way.

I hope you can get yourself sorted, it sounds like you’re in a similar situation.

Sorry, forgot to mention that the tiling allowance was mentioned at the viewing, maybe it’s changed now.

JimmyCorkhill

Best of luck with the house you went Sale Agreed on. It does seem like there is better value on second homes out there (if you can find one you like) even factoring in refurbishment costs. New builds carry a premium price.

Cairns profit margin % has been increasing the last couple of years & probably will again this year. Unfortunately all this greed & need to make even more profit drives up the price for all us mere mortals.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I know I'm a bit late to the discussion but, fwiw, I used to dislike the idea of a new build. Fortunately, the wife was insistent on one after her sister bought a new-build a few years beforehand. I'm in the house now going on a year and I have to say, it would take a lot for me to swap for an older house. I get the "not knowing who your neighbours are" and smaller driveway/garden, but the actual house itself doesn't compare with older houses. To having a consistently warm house, cheap energy bills, wide hallways/rooms and an overall much brighter house is amazing. No worry about upgrading/renovations either as everything is brand new. Pros and cons of course, the extra distance too from the town centres is a deal-breaker for many, but I've lived in 7 second-hand homes the past 10 years, some nice some not, and I'd now always take/recommend a new build (unless you're fairly well off and can afford a similar spec 2nd house house - but they all go for mad money).

Keep_Shining

Anyone know about social housing here at Harpur Lane?

Gotfoodforphil

Will be 10 % of the development as application was approved prior to increase to 20 %. Reading the planning permission, Cairn had proposed a mix of duplexes, apartments, etc. for part V compliance but the council refused and said the allocation was inadequate and should include 3-bed terrace/semi-d’s as well. Updates since on the planning file have only said that Cairn are engaging with the council on finalising part V compliance, but nothing has been submitted yet. They should have sorted this over a year ago to be honest.

To add, it’s worth reading through all the planning (like I did) if you have a few hours, lots of interesting information. You wouldn’t believe how many times Cairn have been like “**** it, do it whatever way” and then there’s back and forth with the council for months/years, makes you realise how **** developers can be e.g. drainage plan not compliant, mature trees cut down, biodiversity requirments ignored, etc.

It’s a fun read!

2011abc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120099028#Comment_120099028

Are you sure about those cheap bills?Hearing more and more about and FROM people with elctric powered 'heat pumps' which are crippling them with four figure bills :-(