January 6 Public Hearings

Overheal

The USSS Texts are purged. The National Archives are losing their ****. They're not in any backup system either.

Overheal

Committee response to the purge

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119354023#Comment_119354023

Prime time viewing ?

Surely this is gone now given netflix and all the other streaming services.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360504#Comment_119360504

This has to be a cover up, Im not buying that they cannot get to those texts forensically when they do it all the time for threats to national security, like restoring phone data is literally one of their capabilities. Trump packed his secret service detail with his own supporters so no doubt they dont want texts from Jan 6th coming out.

Might stay up for this hearing tonight as Ive no work tomorrow. Should be good if they have gone with the prime time slot.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370483#Comment_119370483

I value the irony of the post given what I've already seen earlier in the thread.

I'm sure it's for nothing that Trump has been trying to counterprogram all day. You know, because 'nobody cares'

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370496#Comment_119370496

It's very possible. I guess we will find out more tonight, but they're certainly looking into it as a Criminal offense. A major concern is the DHS Inspector General knew about the destroyed evidence in February, and it is only being disclosed now. The DHS IG is a Trump appointee, who also reportedly lied on his resume.

Cody montana

Laughter erupts as January 6 hearing is shown footage of GOP Sen. Josh Hawley fleeing Capitol while riot raged - just hours after he hailed Stop the Steal protesters with raised fist

Can someone post the video? 😂

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370983#Comment_119370983

The video of Hawley fleeing:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1550289002586161153?s=20&t=ti79SZSAtm4bRrMwhGkKIA

The laughter in the Hearing:

https://twitter.com/dprzygoda/status/1550287028029476866?s=20&t=ti79SZSAtm4bRrMwhGkKIA

Itssoeasy

Josh Hawley ? Stupid gobshite with him being all high and mighty prior to the riot. Cowards is what many in the GOP are, in that they’ll say one thing in public yet we can see in this video and in the audio of others, that they know this **** was wrong.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370496#Comment_119370496

They have to be on a server somewhere unless there has been a real forensic deletion in order to hide them.

Igotadose

I posted a link to the Political Cartoons thread to someone that's put the Hawley fleeing vid to music. Hilarious.

On a more serious note, Pat Cipollone is, in a kind of nefarious way, fascinating to watch testify. So very careful in his choice of words, shows just a tiny bit of emotion on occasion usually surprise at the obviousness of the question. Sydney Powell is some bizarre zombie/aggressor combination.

As for the Congresspersons running the show, Raskin got better as he got more time in front of the camera. Kinzinger kind of gives off the 'mighty mouse' vibe - "Here I come to save the day!" Thompson was out for the last one but exudes dignity and competence. And Liz Cheney would annihilate another GOP candidate in a POTUS debate. I despise her politics but she'd be a reasonable, and typical, GOP POTUS candidate someday. Be great to see her running against TFG if he announces. That'd be some debate. I wonder if she loses her seat in Congress (to whatever pond scum the GOP nominate) would she run for POTUS as an independent and, if so, would she siphon votes from Biden or whoever the GQP candidate is, TFG/DeSatan/one of them.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371141#Comment_119371141

yeah the Secret Services excuses that they lost the text messages in a system migration stretches credibility but then to say they cant find them forensically smashes credibility completely, they're the Secret Service ffs. It begs the question if some agents in Trumps detail were working with his goal of stopping the elections results being certified and now they want to cover up text messages that were discussing it.

Anyway good hearing last night. There can be no doubt now that during this 187 minutes Trump had a rake of staffers from Mark Meadows to NSA guys to Kayleigh McEnany to Ivanka screaming at him to issue a video denouncing the riot and telling them to go home but he wouldnt do it. He just sat in the dining room for more than 3 hours watching the riots on Fox News and did nothing. The only thing that was missing was something like him ordering cheeseburgers from McDonalds while watching the riots, that would have been peak Trump.

Id be shocked if criminal charges dont come from this. The committee have proved up that he knew protesters were armed with weapons, he was watching minute by minute coverage of the riot and still he did nothing. He completely smashed his oath of office, of that there is no doubt and for once he doesnt have any plausible deniability.

Igotadose

It's sad for me to think this, but if it weren't for Mark Milley ensuring the military would not get involved, things might have been very different on 6 January. If TFG could corrupt the Secret Service (!) and bring a violent mob down to the Capitol, had he had the military behind him, goodbye Constitution.

If the American people can't rely on the Secret Service's integrity (they also have other jobs like they chase counterfeiters), there really is nothing left.

Overheal

Wow keep it classy

Does the person running this official account know that Sarah Matthews is currently the Communications Director for House GOP side of the Climate Crisis Committee?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373148#Comment_119373148

I believe they deleted that tweet once that was pointed out to them.

Regardless, I don't see why they think things like this are some sort of "gotcha". It's people trying to show some degree of professionalism and generally not sh*tting on their own doorstep while trying to find new jobs. I left my last job in bad enough circumstances, but I maintained a professional persona publicly because you never know when you'll cross paths with the same people again and I didn't want to come across negatively.

Then again, my bosses didn't try to overthrow democracy. I can credit them with that at least.

Overheal

I see why Fox News viewers might think these hearings don't even exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXTz21w_DJE

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https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1550305833275342848?t=nOClmGS6aEsF2fAKm2-nGQ&s=19

State of him. Took him about an hour to record a 3 minute video.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375049#Comment_119375049

Yesterday was a hard word for him haha. You'd miss him all the same.

Penn

The Secret Service agents named by Cassidy Hutchinson, as well as the SUV driver, have all retained private counsel.

The question is, are they doing so to try avoid answering the Committees questions, or to separate themselves from the Secret Service lawyers to provide more assistance?

Unfortunately my money would be on the former. And are they funding these lawyers themselves or is someone helping pay for them?

silverharp

I must say I was sceptical of this very partisan looking show trial. But as they have exonerated Trump and cleared his way to reelection, I guess it was fair enough

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387898#Comment_119387898

Aaaand back in the real world, the walls are closing in on the sad little man. The MAGAt meltdown will be hilarious!

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387898#Comment_119387898

So it's fine as long as you got the result you wanted.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392363#Comment_119392363

It literally showed the opposite of what he’s stating.

I’d ask how it exonerated him but it’s a waste of time as you won’t get an answer.

We all saw it live, trump is responsible.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392728#Comment_119392728

So, more Trumpster nonsense basically. I've not kept up but usually, it's a safe bet to assume that the opposite of what Trump's supporters claim is true.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392699#Comment_119392699

Objectively it was constructed in a non credible way, but I like the schadenfreude of dems trying to stitch up Trump, but actually clearing his way to running again. A totally fair approach might have allowed for some weaseling

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392363#Comment_119392363

I've been hearing the walls have been closing in for several years. Sure who knows the dems might come up with a new hoax that sticks, though that would be a first.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392819#Comment_119392819

It was assembled this way because, in a two-party state, when one of those parties openly embraces fascism it falls to the other to uphold democracy.

Had you not gotten the result you wanted, you'd be parroting Trumpster lines about a stitch-up.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392976#Comment_119392976

The dems are the fascists here right? Trumped up charges ,political show trials, political prisoners that ought to be released and compensated.

Hans, are we the baddies?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

No, the party that attempted the insurrection are the fascists. Obviously.

Can you prove any of these claims or is this more Trumpster drivel?

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

"Political prisoners"

Hahahaha ah stop man, you're killing me!

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393191#Comment_119393191

Political tourists!

Trump caused an actual insurrection, but somehow they’re the victims.

He should be in prison with them.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392819#Comment_119392819

Objectively it was constructed in a non credible way

Care to elaborate?

What was the "totally fair approach" - and are you certain Republicans didn't oppose doing it that way?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

Oh,

Someone else who didn't read the thread. Or you'd know this take was already dunked on:

Can you help explain for me where the Charges are? Or the Judge? Or the Jury?

There are no Charges, Trumped up or otherwise, there is no Judge. This is therefore in no way a trial, show/kangaroo/other.

I don't see where the "Political Prisoners" are. Were any of them jailed for 3 years without trial? Being held in prison for a coup attempt doesn't make you a "political prisoner" you weren't jailed for your belief system you were jailed for your crimes. They're all getting their days in court with real, non-show, non-kangaroo courts and judges. All of which are open to appeal up to, and including, the United States Supreme Court, if anyone is actually convinced their Civil Rights were somehow violated by this process. It's a bit more complicated than the bots you listen to on social media complaining about receiving the other end of Justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/26/ponder-sentencing-jan6-prison/

But go on, keep crowing how unfwair it all is and the travesty of it - while the DOJ carries out the actual Prosecution you'd like to pretend the hearings are.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/26/merrick-garland-does-not-rule-out-prosecuting-trump-over-jan-6-riot/

Overheal

"political prisoners"

"pleaded guilty"

Hmm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/27/sicknick-jan6-tanios-plea/

skimpydoo

Wrong thread

BruteStock

Will the hearings determine whether lethal force was warranted on unarmed Ashley Babbit? No , there will be no mention of that.

How about the guy who had charges dropped because cops were on camera waving him in through a door

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/matthew-martin-capitol-acquittal.html

Or what about Colbert's crew who had charges dropped against them because they are Democrats. Why were the even there?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2022/07/18/stephen-colbert-late-show-crew-no-charges-capitol-hill-arrest/10093043002/

All this points to a political show trial you would expect to see in a fascist dictatorship.

Oh and lol @ thinking a topless man with horns on his head was going to overthrow the US Government!!

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

While they're at it, the hearing will also not focus on 9/11 or the Kennedy Assassination either.

Feel free to convince us that any of these desperate straws are comparable to the autocoup attempt on January 6. Comedians overstay visit to record dog-puppet bits in hallway = Conspiracy to violate the constitution and prevent the peaceful transition of power?

DOJ didn't take nearly as much time unpacking the autocoup as a whole as it did to determine the legal facts of the shooting.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt

  ... The focus of the criminal investigation was to determine whether federal prosecutors could prove that the officer violated any federal laws, concentrating on the possible application of 18 U.S.C. § 242, a federal criminal civil rights statute. In order to establish a violation of this statute, prosecutors must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the officer acted willfully to deprive Ms. Babbitt of a right protected by the Constitution or other law, here the Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to an unreasonable seizure. Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law. As this requirement has been interpreted by the courts, evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent required under Section 242.

      The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242. Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber. Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

This is relevant how?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

So the hearings are invalid because they have a defined remit?

Overheal

Oh and lol @ thinking a topless man with horns on his head was going to overthrow the US Government... haha!

Except it would have. Even without killing anyone.

The specific goal of disrupting Congress on January 6 was to undermine the Constitutionality of the election, as the hearings already exhibited on the day they examined the contribution of Jeffrey Clark. They were planning to argue, that since the Electoral Count was not completed on January 6, as proscribed in the law, that the entire process is no longer 'sacrosanct' and therefore, they argued, the whole legality of the election thrown into doubt. Thankfully, the count continued late that night and this scenario never emerged in the courts. And with the committee making recommendations to update the Electoral Count Act to close such a loophole, it will never happen again.

That's why Trump sat. The goal was to run out the clock until January 7.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

"Will the hearings determine whether lethal force was warranted on unarmed Ashley Babbit? No , there will be no mention of that."

She was only in the Capitol because she was radicalised by the lies and propaganda from Trump and his ilk. If you're looking for someone to blame start there.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396684#Comment_119396684

Governments come and go some get to term some get overthrown. Were the people in Hong Kong wrong ? The only issue is when it fails. Normally the winners write the history on the events. Some say the change in the Ukrainian gov was due to America. Not me not a Tinfoil hat person. They wanted change in the belief their system was corrupt. They ousted their leaders. Many places have. Either you believe the US Gov is beyond reproach or you live in the real world. Do I believe the guy who looked like a character from fallout was right no. But he did and many many others. How large of a movement against the current government in a country becomes legitimate. Say for example 100k Democrats storm the Supreme court. Jail or put to death the judges they don't like over the current abortion laws. Some would argue that's ok.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396681#Comment_119396681

Aren't the hearings invalid because they don't have the proper number of republican representatives?..

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397473#Comment_119397473

No.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397473#Comment_119397473

The GOP were able to nominate representatives to the Committee, however some of the nominees were those who were implicated in the investigation. So when they were refused, rather than nominate reps who were not implicated in the investigation, the GOP chose not to put forward any nominees.

So it was all agreed in advance and was due to a decision by the House GOP. They chose not to have the proper number of republican representatives, a choice Trump himself has recently been lambasting Kevin McCarthy for.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397598#Comment_119397598

They wouldn't go along with her show trial, so Pelosi didn't accept them..therefore it's not legitimate..

But shur, carry on..

(It's kind of funny how even at this stage people are still falling for the whole "the democrat/CIA/neocon side are the good guys"..)

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Have to laugh at the usual suspects calling it a "show trial" given the connotations that term has to Stalinist Russia. Sending Donnie to a Siberian gulag sounds good to me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397793#Comment_119397793

To call it anything else is just naive..

The two attempts to impeach him didn't work..the new york investigations didn't work..

Imagine if he ran again?..

They're going to have to have it really fortified this time..

They'll have cases of ballots under every table..the whole country would stop counting at three in the morning..graphs all over the place would just be jumping up mysteriously..

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397731#Comment_119397731

Again, Kevin McCarthy could have put forward different members. I believe 2 of the names put forward were implicated in the investigation so couldn't be members, but the other 3 were fine and approved by Pelosi. So all McCarthy had to do was name 2 alternate members. However they then decided to pull the three approved members and not put forward any names, and McCarthy even said they would censure any Republicans who chose to serve on the Committee (such as Cheney and Kinzinger).

It was McCarthy who made the decision not to have any Republicans on the committee and to censure those who made the decision themselves to do so. Therefore, the committee is legitimate, because the GOP chosing not to have additional republicans on the committee does not invalidate the committee itself.

Otherwise, any minority party could decide not to nominate members for Committees and therefore stop the Committees from happening. That's just not how it works. They had the chance to nominate any GOP reps not implicated in the investigation, and they chose not to. The committee is still legitimate, unless you can quote an actual legal source to claim it isn't (which I think we can safely assume many GOP and Trump lawyers have already thoroughly searched for).

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397815#Comment_119397815

"The two attempts to impeach him didn't work"

He was impeached twice.

As for the rest of the nonsense in your post, head off to the CT forum if you're looking for a response to that.