January 6 Public Hearings

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222719#Comment_119222719

”look over here” is that it then? Thanks for your contributions.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222736#Comment_119222736

Got you.

this hearing is nonsense , if they want to have a hearing on trump than do one on his connections to New York organised crime in the 80s and 90s

no way he is building those towers without dealing directly with the Irish and Italian mobs. They started an investigation on this previously but stopped for some reason.

AbusesToilets

I'd quite like to hear more about the Republicans who sought out pardens after the fact. That in itself is an admission of guilt.

I've been traveling and not had an opportunity to listen, but have they expounded on the revelation that Pence was the acting President during the coup?

joe40

Nonsense, there was an orderly transition in Jan 2017. Nobody claimed the actual election result was fraudulent.

Investigation of the very real issues around Russian collusion is not the same thing.

Total false equivalence.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222780#Comment_119222780

The ghost of Richard Nixon must be crying that social media didn't exist in the early 70s to endlessly equivocate over the Watergate scandal. He probably wouldn't even have had to get out of bed to go on TV and apologise if it were the same standard of accountability back then as now.

Anyway, to say what about this or that thing undertaken by past U.S. administrations misses the point. One should be happy any time people are held to account, and not fall into the cynical trap of if this person was not held accountable or not given enough of a grilling, then why should anyone? That's a slippery slope down to hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR5VO9FAGDc

Here's Trump saying, and I quote, "...the only way we're gonna lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that..." A U.S. president who undermined the principal of consent by saying to his supporters that fraud should be the conclusion that is jumped to if he loses. Not even having a legal team on standby to look into the results as they came in and then say there could be fraud at play. No. No due process. He knew what he was doing. He was sowing that seed. And that's even before he actually lost, and continued to claim fraud. Before every legal challenge brought to the court was basically thrown out, and yet still continued to claim fraud. And then he went to the US Capitol and continued to claim fraud with no basis. Stirring up a group of angry supporters and letting them go down to the Capitol building. Again, he knew what he was doing. And then he sat there in the White House watching it on TV and according to testimony against him, wasn't even that upset by the people chanting, 'hang Mike Pence'. There has never been behaviour like that from a sitting U.S. president or candidate in modern times. When they lose an election, they ultimately accept it, even if it takes court procedures to do so. Not only did Trump not accept it then, but he doesn't accept it now. For all he's done to fundamentally stoke divisions in the United States and faith in the democratic procedures, especially leading up to and on Jan 6th, a full and frank time line of that day must be established, and a minute by minute account of the actions of everyone linked to the day, if only for posterity.

ancapailldorcha

I find little more vindicating than the Trumpsters trying to shut down this committee and delegitimize its findings unless of course they exonerate their idol.

Trump attempted an insurrection. He planned it and did nothing while it was in progress. He concluded by calling the fascist insurrectionists special people. It's beyond doubt that he's guilty. I don't have high hopes for this but hopefully he'll spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

Overheal

Stop me if this sounds familiar

The committee has obtained the cooperation of a video documentarian that Trump chose to hire for the 'last 6 weeks of his re-election campaign'

https://twitter.com/alexjholder/status/1539254430033387522?s=20&t=PrahFAvx1NGDKqdSc26kIQ

So we may hear some damning things in their own words.

The 4th hearing is scheduled to begin in just a couple hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5hgdGLdh8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPBWZcr-vw

Overheal

Starting now.

tooka

Watched some of it and Its so boring it’s not even funny

thankfully The Democrats we are expected to lose control of the House in the midterm elections and this nonsense will be finished with.

trump will not be charged with sedition because it is impossible to prove, this is a show trial. A complete joke.

Overheal

It's not a trial at all, it's a public hearing.

As another poster said,

I find little more vindicating than the Trumpsters trying to shut down this committee and delegitimize its findings unless of course they exonerate their idol.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231950#Comment_119231950

correct it’s not a trial, it’s a show trial

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231955#Comment_119231955

Showing what Trump did? Yes, correct.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231955#Comment_119231955

It's not a show trial either, it's a public hearing.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231970#Comment_119231970

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_trial

similar to this carry on

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231975#Comment_119231975

Not at all.

There's no judicial authority here. This is the legislative branch. Where's the judge?

Penn

This hearing is the greatest advertisement for Truth Social possible. All I want to do is sign up to try see the meltdown in real time.

Overheal

So in addition to recap for those who weren't following the news cycle on the daily during the election, we learned Brad Raffensperger's daughter in law's house was broken into, numerous death threats occured etc.; Senator Ron Johnson and Rep Andy Biggs are about to go through some things, too. And Rudy Freeman's testimony was wrenching. After being doxxed by MAGA people barged into her home to attempt a citizens arrest, claiming her granddaughter had rigged the election for Biden. The cmte showed Trump knew he lost, tried to break the law anyway, promised deals for those who cooperated, and that his actions ended up putting lives in danger.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231955#Comment_119231955

Why do you have an issue with the facts being documented? You don't seem to be disputing the facts themselves and nobody else is either. If anything this destroys the narrative that Trump supporters have been pushing up until now which is that the insurrection wasn't a violent attempt to change the result and that Trump bears no responsibility for it. Why don't you like the facts being made public?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119232368#Comment_119232368

I went to their site and got an access denied message.

Maybe it's withered and died like everything else Trump has touched.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233363#Comment_119233363

Do you know what hearsay means? This is all this hearing is. You would see more violence at a Celtic rangers game.

there is zero evidence trump organised anything.

what don’t you get about this , now maybe there is real evidence and not just hearsay to come. If the hearing can show this evidence than I will accept it, so far a bunch of people saying they believe in their mind it was sedition or I was told by X trump did or said something criminal Is not evidence.

surely you are not so driven by anti trump bias you would see our justice system bypassed so you get you want.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233439#Comment_119233439

Overheal has already posted evidence that the coup was organised insofar as Trump has the intellectual capacity to organise anything.

The Trumpsters will only accept evidence that exonerates their orange idol. They've proven this beyond doubt.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233439#Comment_119233439

Do you know what hearsay means? Testimony from the person or persons involved is not hearsay, it's witness testimony. That is a form of direct evidence. There were also numerous clips of recorded phone calls, video depositions etc played throughout the hearing corroborating the evidence given.

Muahahaha

abc

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233461#Comment_119233461

All and mean all of the evidence about trump is hearsay .

put one example against trump that shows sedition , there is none. It’s all hearsay.

just one snippet will do me. I guarantee trump will not be prosecuted in real courts, and Reason being there is no evidence of sedition.

i would hate to see people like you and others on here on a jury, you don’t seem to understand the presumption of innocence.

for example I believe bill Clinton more than likely is a rapist, but I understand he is innocent until proven guilty and deserves to be treated as so.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234339#Comment_119234339

Back to this nonsense again. Trump plotted a coup. The evidence is there. That he used the worst scum in American society to do so does not mitigate this basic fact.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234351#Comment_119234351

Where is the evidence, hard cold facts that can be used to prosecute him for sedition in a court. Where is it?

hearsay and feelings wont cut the mustard in a criminal trial.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234445#Comment_119234445

Overheal has posted several links which you have ignored.

Patrick2010

Theres no point in arguing with this guy, hes either a troll or a QTrump fanatic, either way I wouldn't waste my time. Yesterdays evidence was shocking, Trump is clearly a dangerous sociopath who was quite prepared to put peoples lifes in danger and the ultimate narcissist.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234513#Comment_119234513

Put the evidence up here

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234513#Comment_119234513

I saw Mark Esper's book recommended by The Economist. Truly horrifying stuff if the article is true. Tempted to read it.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234468#Comment_119234468

What links? I see nothing to prove anything.

read the attached link - if this is true and she is the most powerful witness than there is no proof.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/21/politics/wandrea-moss-witness-january-6-committee/index.html

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234339#Comment_119234339

I believe Trump is more than likely guilty of several crimes related to sedition. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean I cannot hold or express that view.

It's up to the Jan 6th Select Committee to present the evidence that they have, and the Justice Department to review that evidence and choose whether or not to pursue charges against Trump. If they did, Trump would have the opportunity to defend his case in a court of law upon which the right of innocent until proven guilty must be held by the judges and anyone presiding over the case. Innocent until proven guilty means the court case must start from the position that Trump is innocent, and it's up to the prosecutors to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he's guilty. It does not mean people outside of the court case cannot hold or share the view that Trump is guilty.

I don't have evidence of Trump committing sedition, mainly because who the flying f*ck am I? The Select Committee and legal investigators have been collecting and collating evidence, both physical and testimonial (not hearsay, but actual witness testimony) for several months and are currently presenting their findings through the hearings.

You don't understand hearsay, and you don't understand presumption of innocence. You've repeatedly dodged questions and gone off on strange irrelevant tangents to detract from that. I wouldn't need to worry about you on a jury because I imagine you'd end up sitting in the lobby of a Jury's Inn wondering what's going on.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234757#Comment_119234757

Of course you don't. You've been screeching hearsay about anything that makes Trump look like the vile fascist he is.

Overheal

It’s funny because all of Trumps claims of the election being rigged hinge upon total hearsay.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234778#Comment_119234778

No, it's less than hearsay. It's just plain lies. He can't accept being a loser despite his whole life being nothing more than just grifting and pretending to be a top businessman. He lost the popular vote both times. He hasn't made a genuine success of literally anything.

Hearsay has the possibility of being true. The steal is simply a lie.

tooka

so we can agree there is no evidence to prove sedition as is

you can still react to the stories and have empathy for what some people experienced on the day

no problem with that, but by constantly shouting trump is to blame for it all you are acting just like trump did by blaming his election loss on it being stolen.

trump is gone never to return so please just let him stay gone , stop with the tds

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234850#Comment_119234850

Trump is your sacred cow, not mine so I will discuss him and his crimes all I want thanks. Wailing and scream nonsense like TDS all you want. Since you're willfully ignoring facts and spouting Trumpster tropes then this is fruitless.

coolbeans

From an outsider's point of view your constant and baseless wailing and screaming makes you look rather deranged for your hero Mr. Trump. In that way aren't you the one suffering from TDS cos you're making zero sense here?

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234986#Comment_119234986

Outsider? Impartial? Independent?

what other lies you got

Overheal

I don’t mind if he never sees it coming

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234850#Comment_119234850

I said I don't have evidence, I never said evidence does not exist. And again, witness testimony is evidence. All the people testifying at the hearings have done so under oath. All the people whose video depositions have been shown, they were all done under oath. And the committee also has been investigating the case for months (if not over a year).

Are you saying these people lied under oath? If so, where's your evidence of that?

Overheal

Not to mention all those texts and emails, tweets etc.

Its pretty bad when Bill Barr has turned on you. You should have seen his derision of democrats during the first impeachment hearings. But even he knew that the election claims were “bullshit” and the attempts to obstruct the electoral count were illegal.

Overheal

Watching Ron Johnson squirm under mild questioning is a good way to start the day

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/theres-no-conspiracy-here-ron-johnson-blames-an-intern-for-fake-electors-delivery-to-pence-in-excruciating-2-minutes/

and more work by the select committee to come:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1539624262822248448?s=20&t=CiPzELHsGS7thy8gIEGK9g

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235642#Comment_119235642

the committee say they have evidence and than produced a text Chain that again had zero evidence

going forward let’s stop the links, can we deal exclusively with minutes from the hearings

dumping links to strange websites with gotcha headlines proved nothing

Overheal

"that evidence had zero evidence in it! show me the E V I D E N C E"

🙄

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1539643047306469376?s=20&t=h6TC4SVHc5Lv8mzSHT_8Rw

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235814#Comment_119235814

What has This to do with Donald trump?

also there is nothing criminal here either by Johnson or his member of staff.

if I am wrong tell me what law was broken. Lot of who shot JR

Overheal

What has This to do with Donald trump?

And you told me you were paying attention.

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236103#Comment_119236103

point out the evidence ? Where is the record that shows trump instructed anyone to do anything illegal.

the Georgia buck told his story

trump rang the buck in Georgia and asked him to do a recount and trump needed 11000 votes. . Buck in Georgia does recount and says original count was correct.

Let me know what that story proved, zero.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236143#Comment_119236143

Only to you.

Ironically, you've determined the outcome without even considering the evidence. That's very show-trialy of you, for someone who projects such an abhorrence for show-trialing. Stamp your feet and demand all the spoonfeeding you want: I direct you to the committee hearings.

_

After Thursday's hearing, the select committee has announced it will take at least a week recess and resume hearings in July, pending new information that has been coming into them, presumably coming in now as a result of the live hearings (eg. Ginni Thomas is extremely more talkative now, as are several lawmakers). This includes yet-unseen footage from the Trump family themselves via their documentarians and such.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/22/jan-6-panel-revises-hearing-schedule-00041384

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236163#Comment_119236163

the ratings for this sh1t show are so poor and the publics interest is very minimal they have decided to take a break.

the reality is the average American person is worried about the economy which the demmies have completely ruined. Payback is coming in mid terms.

ironically if the demmies left trump alone he would himself leave politics, he is only hanging on to protect himself.