Cutting Turf 2022.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884705#Comment_120884705

not wrong on either count but enjoy your summer fire while you can i guess.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884502#Comment_120884502

That is one of the most naive and brainwashed posts I've ever read anywhere not to mind here.

Appeals to "won't they think of the children" are the last refuge of those whose argument is beaten.

"Decent efforts" would be supported by the vast vast majority here as well as anywhere else. Nearly all the posters in this forum are decent people.

But decent efforts are not what we're getting.

We're getting an "othering" of rural people by society at large which is generally urban people divorced from the land.

Old saying: "Everyone is in favour of taxing someone else"

That's what's going on here; the urban majority will not make the changes necessary to their lifestyles and are looking for someone else to do it for them.

Farmers and landowners are a useful scapegoat because ye are jealous of our property which ye or ye're parents ran away from as fast as ye could to live the modern life in the city.

Now ye see what ye left behind and are jealous of the descendants of those who ye looked down on from a great height for a couple of generations.

Our children and grandchildren will be fine thank you very much, they'll learn to live with climate change and survive as their parents did.

Will yours?

Its a weeding out process of the unfit in reality.

Now live on the bed you made and leave us alone.

Thanks for your concern.

roosterman71

Many many years of it left. Ah it's wonderful

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884734#Comment_120884734

Lol

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884784#Comment_120884784

Thats about the size of your argument alright. Jog on.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884739#Comment_120884739

Boggers gonna Bog.

For now :)

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884690#Comment_120884690

I presume so. Mam told me that my Grandfather (her Dad) used to make mud turf during wet Summers when you couldn't rear turf in the bog. Having said that I remember Grandad telling me stories of them cutting and rearing turf during dry cold spells in Winter when the frosts and dry East winds dried the turf.

I googled mud turf and came across this account from duchas.ie. Unfortunately it doesn't give a date.

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5009179/4994722

amandstu

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4758595/4757612/4784424

"

Making mud turf

A peculiarity about the Co. Monaghan is that they make turf. Usually turf is cut. This turf is called mud-turf that they make and it makes a very good fire and is easy to light. This is how it is made.The first thing they do is dig away the "scraw". Then they dig up the first layer of the clay. This is called "the fum", because it is useless. They dig another layer of clay. This is called a "floor". It is too crumbly to cut into squares so they break it with spades. Then water is thrown on it and men come and mix it up with shovels. Two men go into it with graipes and take the sticks out of it. This is called "dragging". Then it is wheeled out to a good dry level bank. Another floor is dug. They dig another and another till they have five floors dug and there is nothing left but sand. The same thing is done with every floor.Then two men come and "bake" the turf. That is they go through it with their hands and make squares like pan loaves. Water is thrown into the squares, so that they will not join together again. In a week or ten days men come back with spades and turns them up on their ends. After a few weeks they come and "foot" the turf. That is they set eight turfs in the form of a wee house. Then they are put into wind-rows so that they will dry. When they are dry they are put into small clamps. In the summer when the men have time they come with carts and draw them home. They build them into one big lump and thatch them with rushes. Now the farmer has his firing for the winter."

J.O. Farmer

The description of mud turf reminded me of the use of yak dung as fuel in Tibet.

https://www.tibettravel.org/news/201403242227.html

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883586#Comment_120883586

Good luck with that, haven't you read where the gerry's get to have opt out clauses inserted, if eu legislation doesn't suit them.

wrangler

https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2021/01/30/the-misguided-theory-of-rewetting-the-bogs/?fbclid=IwAR1QYDYJgYCr7dmPj1K7xICsMESnj1qfUrNs_Nuulg4jpn5l9L3W_3-p7ME

Very interesting article

dh1985

Screenshot_20230723-105537_Chrome.jpg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884502#Comment_120884502

Fairly condescending outlook from a guy that was questioning the value of briquettes no later than last January as a result of turf been hard come by!!! Come on here giving out about "boggers" and their backward ways destroying the planet. You couldn't make it up. Envious of a good turf fire I bet

blue5000

MOD NOTE; bluesky or whatever their name was has been banned for trolling.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120884705#Comment_120884705

Ya all nice and toasty and warm .....fir **** all price wise whilst the eco knobs pay through the nose for air to water in a completely unsuitable house 🏠

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120885394#Comment_120885394

Rather contradictory view in that he is claiming peat silt being pumped into the Shannon to drain BNM bogs is a big part of the flooding issue there, yet sees no value in restoring the peatlands that would address this issue 🙄 - not to mention other issues like deteriating water quality in the system due to the same peat silt loss, see link below

https://www.catchments.ie/significant-pressures-peat/

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120885588#Comment_120885588

No I have a good turf fire.Doesn't stop me criticising the comments on this thread.

You should run your investigation into users' profiles and their postings a bit more accurately.I never called anyone a "bogger".

Still ,if the cap fits you are welcome to wear it.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887306#Comment_120887306

Peat isn't being pumped into the shannon, it's being carried in in the water after being milled by BNM.

BNM wont take responsibility for it .

Had the peat not been disturbed it wouldn't be in the shannon now and there wouldn't be as much flooding.

I was involved in the shannon flooding problems and it's horrendous what some farmers have to tolerate due laziness of the public services involved

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887680#Comment_120887680

Isn't that what I said?? ie BNM pumping peat silt laden water off site into surrounding river catchments, and this madness is ongoing. If you go on Mid Shannon Park's Twitter site you will see several recent videos of vast quantities of peat silt laden water still being pumped off(using augur pumps) BNM's vast Derryadd Bogs Landholding adjacent to the River Shannon and Lough Ree.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120887389#Comment_120887389

I'm proud to be a bogger from West cork. All the milk cheques can't beat the feeling of coming down the bog road with a big trailer of turf. It's a tradition, I'm cutting the banks my forefathers cut. The couple of trailers i cut would take a million years to finish out the bank. Can't beat the feeling of a day in the bog. The smell and the appetite you get. And best of all no phone reception so the rest of world can fuuuck off

RockOrBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888061#Comment_120888061

You said it.

It's alright making these laws banning people from harvesting fuel to heat their family homes, it's another thing to enforce them. Who will do that?

Its totally futile bothering rural Irish people, while the real pollution goes on in lawless developing countries, the mega polluters... we are a drop in the ocean.

Makes me wonder if England did the right thing with brexit.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888647#Comment_120888647

They'll enforce them easily unfortunately by taking away the farm supports from areas of turf cutting.

As bad as it is, - don't go the road of following the brexshitters. Their country is in an even bigger mess because of that crack. We don't know the half of what's going on there with cutting services, no wage rises for the next decade and 8% inflation. They're truly fuuucked.

But yes, it does nothing at all for the planet.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888061#Comment_120888061

Very jealous reading that post. I can't go back to cutting our bog for several reasons but I'd love to.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888688#Comment_120888688

The right wing are polling very well tonight in Spain. They might make the first right wing government since 1975.

Fransceo what's her name the right wing Italian PM is undoing a lot of the leftie Shiite in Italy.

People are sick of all these stupid laws, constantly pushing people. a few councillors are on the radio lately. I think they may be waking up. Willie o dea was on the radio on about the silly hate speech law. Pity we don't have a centre right party here anymore

RockOrBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888688#Comment_120888688

Not all people who burn turf in rural areas are farmers, not by a long way, so taking away payments is not an actual threat afaik.

Some don't farm, some farmers only only cut using tubridy rights and don't own the mountain. Some bogs are not mapped at all. I've heard of 2 or 3 cases locally but that's no big deal in the greater scheme of things.

The further the standard of living drops in Ireland, the less toleration there will be of this kind of nonsense. This is a rural issue where feelings run deep.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888761#Comment_120888761

I know what you're saying but almost every mountain bog anyway is in an area being claimed and while the lads cutting it might'nt be the ones claiming it, someone is. Look at the money naked ground is making for letting.

They can't really stop people cutting for themselves at least for now, but they could at some time in the future and it wouldn't be hard at all to enforce.

I hope you realise that I'm in full agreement with you that it's pure bullsh1t by the way..

RockOrBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888788#Comment_120888788

Yeah I've explained this already, good luck to ya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888688#Comment_120888688

If my land is going to be further nationalised, and it looks as if it is, I'll vote for out if the opportunity is ever there. I don't however kid myself that I'd be in a majority.

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888760#Comment_120888760

Actually the far right vote via the Vox party collapsed by 40% while the Socialist performed much better than expected and finished just behind the Centre Right PP party. I guess a party who wants to legalise domestic violence, re-write Francos legacy,cosy up to Orbans dictatorship in Hungary, condones water theft from national parks etc. didn't do itself any favours with the sane part of the electorate...🙄

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120888995#Comment_120888995

Yes as you said the centre right won most of the votes. My point exactly

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/jul/23/spain-election-2023-live-results

twin_beacon

deleted