German UN Delegation Laughing at Trump

MyLove4Satan

This is fascinating to watch now in light of how the world has basically fallen apart since Biden rigged the 2020 election. It'll be fascinating to watch what happens when Trump is president again in 2024. On every level the man has been vindicated. Yet some people are far too middle class to admit they were wrong about him or were easily led by mass media propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAqlOxOgSg

Are you just back from maternity leave at the factory or something?

silliussoddius

Shouldn’t you be warning us about Bill Gates and Monkey pox?

StupidLikeAFox

He was spot on there in fairness

Captain Barnacles

Yep Germany a **** disaster regarding energy, they shut a load of clean nuclear plants because of the green (haha the irony) lunatic movement, now they need to open coal plants to fill the demand gap, plus now even worse since they can't use Russian energy anymore - more coal plants re opened.

Emissions have spiked in Germany since the shift to renewals, well done greens.

timmyntc

Ignoring the rigged election and 2024 part, yes he was vindicated on that one. And on the so-called Sinophobic relations - now we dont like China, whereas when Trump was in and he didnt like China, we loved them because we couldnt possibly agree with Trump. Despite China putting Uighurs in camps, crushing democracy in Hong Kong, investing big in African and South American countries (look at how many ports etc China owns worldwide).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113256#Comment_119113256

Who's "we"?

Did Trump have a policy ready to go to react to the disgusting Uyghers crimes? Nah, he was like a kid finding out that things outside their house exist permanently. I laughed when he said "Jina" because he didn't even really pronounce the name of the world's most populous country properly.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113256#Comment_119113256

Bollox. China's antics in areas like IP and their Belt & Road Initiative have been known about for a long time. Trump hated them because he's a racist and China is the world's second superpower.

It's frankly a bit unhinged that this is being brought up years later as if we were somehow wrong about Trump. He presided over millions of preventable deaths, the worst decline in race relations in years, unparalleled corruption and, so far as I can tell, achieved anything positive whatever for the American working classes.

sam t smith

The Germans are a great bunch of lads (and lassies).

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117391#Comment_119117391

Belt & Road has nothing to do with Chinese investments in Africa, South America, and the Balkans.

Pre-Trump China was perceived as a not much of a threat, or at least any threat they posed was overlooked by the fact they were the worlds factory and supplied the US (and beyond) with cheap manufacturing. When Trump brought in protectionist policies designed to bring manufacturing back to the US from China it was decried as racist etc, but now the US are reaping the rewards of that particularly in semiconductor manufacturing. Were the US not to onshore more of the semiconductor manufacturing and China to take Taiwan they would be totally screwed, whereas now they would be significantly less so as more of these projects come on stream.

Under the Trump admin it was sinophobic and racist to consider the Chinese a threat, whereas now only a few years later they are widely recognised as such and its not controversial at all to criticise China now

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117646#Comment_119117646

Of course it does.

The rest of this is just revisionist Trumpster nonsense. Trump babbled on and on about China while heaping praise on its leader Xi Jinping as well as Putin and other authoritarian strongmen.

Trump did nothing but play golf, promote conspiracy theories and incite riots. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died as a result.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117664#Comment_119117664

Trump did nothing but play golf, promote conspiracy theories and incite riots. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died as a result.

Now this is revisionist nonsense. For starters, I suppose the 100k+ americans dead you are referring to is from covid?

More people died from covid in US post-Trump than during Trump admin for starters. Less than 500k people died from covid by the time of Bidens inauguration, now that figure stands at over 1million. And thats with the benefit of vaccinations being around for all of Biden's presidency.

It's like a compulsion people have to insist that everything Trump did was wrong lol. If he said the sky was blue youd say it was a lie 🤣

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117718#Comment_119117718

100k+? Seriously? It's closer to a million now.

If you've any sources, please post them. Otherwise, yes. I can conclude that this is the sort of twaddle Trump's cult have been peddling for years.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117756#Comment_119117756

You said hundreds of thousands, so I said 100k+ in relation to your claim.

You're correct, the real figure is above a million now as I said in my post if you'd read it. Over half of that million occurred during Biden's term as president, even when he had vaccines available as a measure to fight it.

The "never trump" delusion goes on

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117818#Comment_119117818

Almost as if someone went on a concerted attempt to dissuade people from getting the vaccine. Someone so poisonous that Twitter had to ban them after they promoted a white supremacist coup.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117849#Comment_119117849

Can you point to anything anti- covid vaccine from Trump? The man lauds himself for creating the "fastest vaccine in history". He has been pro-vaccine on covid and always asked for americans to get his "great" vaccines. The best, fastest, most wonderful etc.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117971#Comment_119117971

Let put this to you as simply as I can: Trump is a liar, a fraud, a charlatan and a moron.

Anti-vaccination profiles on Twitter tend to be more engaged in discussions and rely on a more interconnected social network compared to their pro-vaccination counterparts, according to new research published in PLOS One. The study also indicates that former President Donald Trump was one of the key nodes in the anti-vaccination network.

https://www.psypost.org/2021/06/study-indicates-donald-trump-was-the-main-anti-vaccination-influencer-on-twitter-in-2020-61032

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119117988#Comment_119117988

Ah right. So in conclusion you have no proof of his trying to persuade anyone not to take vaccines, but because you personally dislike Trump you will try and blame him for the covid deathrates under the next president, Biden. Right. Good man, very logical.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118001#Comment_119118001

I provided proof and you ignored it. Typical Trumpster tactic.

Can you substantiate your claims above?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118007#Comment_119118007

Your "proof" is that several anti-vaxxer twitter users also interacted with/posted on Donald Trump's tweets. The article even says itself that Trump did not make "overt anti-vaccination statements as president". That does not equate to him going on "a concerted attempt to dissuade people from getting the vaccine" as you earlier claimed. So far you have provided no evidence that he attempted to dissuade anyone from getting the covid vaccine.

All you have proved is you have a huge chip on your shoulder 🤣

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118031#Comment_119118031

So nothing then. Just conspiracy theories. Thanks.

By the way:

Our data demonstrate that Donald Trump, before his profile was suspended, was the main driver of vaccine misinformation on Twitter.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0247642

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118042#Comment_119118042

Poor excuse for an academic paper if thats their conclusion. From their own paper:

We identify former US President Donald Trump as the main influencer in the anti-vaccination web. Despite him not having published direct anti-vaccination tweets in recent times, Donald Trump consistently shared anti-vaccine contents in the past, often associating vaccines to autism.

An infamous tweet from 2014 implying a link between child vaccines and autism, not exactly the anti-covid conspiracy pushing you state he is so fond of.

So yet again, the idea that he tried to persuade people not to get covid vaccines is a falsehood promoted by yourself.

https://time.com/6146907/donald-trump-covid-19-vaccines-base/

In late January, a blast of fundraising emails for Donald Trump featured a “MUST-SEE: New Trump Ad” that, among other things, championed Trump’s role in creating a COVID-19 “vaccine in record time, saving millions of lives.”

Two weeks earlier, in an interview on the far-right One America News, Trump criticized “gutless” politicians, including Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who haven’t said if they’ve gotten the COVID-19 booster shot. “You gotta say it, whether you had it or not. Say it,” Trump said. “But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world.”

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Trump’s vocal backing of COVID-19 vaccines puts the former President in a new, and possibly vulnerable, political position

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Trump told his supporters at the August rally in Alabama. “But I recommend, take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines.” A wave of boos went through the crowd.

Ready to admit you were wrong?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118082#Comment_119118082

"In recent times". He's been pushing anti-vaxx conspiracy guff for literally years.

Are you seriously pretending that Trump's panhandling emails are somehow equal to a scientific study? It's like a demented, grubby little cult. You're fawning over the ultimate American loser. He lost the popular vote, he's wrecked countless businesses, been bankrupt multiple times and has had to pay women to touch his wretched, bloated orange form.

Your Time link is from 2022. He was pushing the anti-vaxx stuff for years before that. His U-turn now is meaningless. The damage is done.

Going back to find this incident from years ago in a pathetic attempt to get anyone not on the American far right to admit being wrong is frankly deranged. His presidency was worse than anyone could have predicted.

Danzy

What ever else about him and if he had any self control at all he would have won reelection by a landslide.

He was spot on about Germany but it would not have been him that pointed out that Merkel, and an entire slew of German political, business leadership were Russian controlled, that would have been the Intelligence services.

He did try to draw attention to it though.

The damage done to Europe will take years to overcome.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058247371/german-un-delegation-laughing-at-trump

A broken clock is right twice a day. Doesn't mean its not broken.

Danzy

If European politicians, wider leadership etc had listened would Putin have Invaded Ukraine, if his key assets had been called out.

Germany wasn't just undermining its own interests but wider European democracy and economies.

Germany still needs to be forced to pick the side of democracy in Europe, that basic human rights, the right to life, trump* any loyalty to Moscow, covert or otherwise. That the right to exist in a democratic state does not stop on the eastern border of Germany, that favourable trade deals with Moscow do not negate those rights.

*Pun intended.

Flinty997

I think Putin has proved he doesn't really listen to anyone else, or common sense.

So while a dumb move by the Germans I don't think it emboldened Putin.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118582#Comment_119118582

It was not a dumb move, it was highly strategic and gave him more dominance over European energy than he would have otherwise.

It might not have been explained to Merkel, Scholz and Schroeder in that blunt fashion but they knew that their orders were purely about Moscow's needs.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118383#Comment_119118383

He wasn't. He was spouting guff about things he has no capacity to understand.

Let's be honest, NordStream is going to age like milk. It's a bad look but Germany isn't the only Western state doing dodgy deals with insalubrious powers. It's odd that you criticise Merkel for doing such a deal but Trump's simpering over Putin seems to be absolutely fine.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118687#Comment_119118687

Dumb for Germany not Putin.

But he's now thrown all those gains away. Which was dumb

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118714#Comment_119118714

Simpering is talk. Having the head of Nordstream be an ex KGB colleague of Putin is at a different level.

There are people in Putin's cabinet who are long term supporters of his who have not delivered for him like Merkel did.

It wasn't just a dodgy deal, Angela was told what to do and that was it.

In fairness to Russia, compromising so much of German politics is an incredible achievement and many years in the making.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118962#Comment_119118962

No, it isn't.

Anyway, he invaded Ukraine again and NordStream is dead. The damage Trump did to the US and the international order will linger for years.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118970#Comment_119118970

Der Spiegel had an article on how Merkel's phone was bugged long before she came Chancellor by the American NSA.

They, at the very least, knew who was pushing her up the ladder and who would want payback once he got her there.

Trump spoke about Germany's insane and self damaging approach but it would have been all down his intelligence advisers pointing out that the Chancellor's thoughts on key issues were not her own but Moscows.

He was completely correct in this speech and it was echoed in the Obama administration as well.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119132#Comment_119119132

Going to need for evidence for that.

I don't see how a tinpot wreck of a country could push Europe's largest economy up a ladder.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119145#Comment_119119145

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24692908.amp

They pushed Merkel up the CDU ladder.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119159#Comment_119119159

Proof? I know about the NSA spying.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118230#Comment_119118230

You claimed Trump's anti-vax information caused all those covid deaths that occurred under Biden's watch. Trump has consistently been vocally pro-covid vaccine, on news, twitter, campaign rallies etc. Much more than "panhandling emails".

Just admit it, you were wrong, yet instead of admitting it you are doubling down and going on inane rants about the orange man bad. The Time link references sources and events from long before 2022 if you had read it all you would see that. And fyi I'm not fawning over anyone, I do not like or approve of the man, however you are clearly wrong in this instance yet cant admit it. Sad!

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120561#Comment_119120561

Ah now, Trump was talking out both sides of his mouth. He took the vaccine but was very slow to endorse them publicly.

Biden inherited a complete shítshow from Trump, the majority of covid deaths in Biden’s term would still fall on Trump for his inaction and wilful ignorance.

He’s doing the same now, speaking at an NRA show in Texas but banning guns from the venue.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120648#Comment_119120648

Genuinely, how was he talking out of both sides on the covid vaccines?

He publicly endorsed them, every media appearance he endorsed them and told his supporters to get the vaccine. He was the first to promote the vaccine before anyone else jumped on board, remember that initial response from most was that they didn't want to take a jab made in such a rush from Trump simply because it was under his presidency (as if he had anything personally to do with it😂)

He was one of the most pro-vaccine politicians about at that time, much to the ire of his base with a large anti-vax contingent in it.

At what point does the Biden admin take responsibility for covid death rates? Feb? March? April? No matter what way you cut it the deaths over that time period are very similar to that of the previous admin - it cannot all be blamed on the guy before, especially seeing as most of 2020 had no vaccines at all.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120748#Comment_119120748

His “followers” didn’t seem to get the message, by the looks of things. Maybe they were confused by his, near, constant attacks on mask mandates, lockdowns and spreading misinformation on the virus.

He handled the pandemic terribly and a lot of people died as a result. There’s no denying that. Biden will always have the excuse that the situation he inherited was already too far ahead for him be at fault for the excessive deaths.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120792#Comment_119120792

So he didnt promote anti-covid vaccine messages, and that poster's claim was false.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120561#Comment_119120561

Nope. He disparaged the vaccine and Dr. Fauci constantly during the pandemic and Americans died by the hundreds of thousands.

Proof that he was consistently pro-vaccine? Not tweet dumps or random quotes. Actual scientific evidence.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120648#Comment_119120648

Obama left Trump a pandemic-preparedness body and Trump disbanded it, probably because everything the black guy did was terrible.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120864#Comment_119120864

Can you show me evidence of him disparaging the vaccine? Other than a scientific study that you have misinterpreted, which shows Trump followers & people interacting with him on twitter were anti-vax. The study even pointed out that Trump himself did not have any anti covid vaccine statements.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120964#Comment_119120964

Again, you miss the point. The damage he did by spending years spreading anti-vaxx propaganda and dismantling the body that would have saved lives was done by the time the pandemic hit. Saying one or two nice things about it with all the enthusiasm of a whipped cur changes nothing.

Since you posted no evidence, there is no reason for me to change my opinion.

Honestly, I'm so sick of this Trump cult. Your demand that I apologize was just pathetic. You have to accept that people are entitled to hold different views and that, if you're going to insist on shutting down dissent, at least pick a god better than some bloated orange twit who pays for sex.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120995#Comment_119120995

First it was that he spread anti covid vaccination stuff, now you are backtracking to a general "anti-vaxx propaganda" before the pandemic hit. Baseless nonsense from yourself.

I have already posted evidence earlier in the thread chronicling Trumps pro-vaccine stance and how it hurt his reelection campaign and proved unpopular with his base, but yet he still pushed on promoting covid vaccinations regardless. Dont let the truth get in the way of your own biases though.

And again you bring up the "Trump cult" - I am not a Trump supporter, nor am I trying to shut down dissent, you seem to be projecting here. The only one trying to shut down dissent is you by adopting a fingers-in-ears approach and ignoring the truth even when its right in front of you.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119121053#Comment_119121053

And as surely as night follows day, repetition is used as a substitute for evidence. I'll believe it when I see scientific evidence, not your rambling Trumpster revisionism.

ancapailldorcha

He also tried to politicise the vaccine:

In the wake of the dramatic news of a potentially effective COVID-19 vaccine, President Donald Trump posted a flurry of tweets that claimed its makers, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and Democrats had conspired to suppress the announcement until after the 3 November presidential election. The U.S. company involved, Pfizer, "didn't have the courage to do it before," Trump asserted on 9 November. And FDA and Democrats, he wrote, "didn't want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later."

https://www.science.org/content/article/fact-check-no-evidence-supports-trump-s-claim-covid-19-vaccine-result-was-suppressed

As ever, it's all about him and his cult following. He probably only took the vaccine out of pure self-interest. He's an ageing old man barely able to form sentences. He only survived covid because he got top medical care that other people paid for.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119121062#Comment_119121062

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/21/dear-republicans-trump-wants-you-get-vaccinated-thats-not-fake-news/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/anti-vax-community-blasts-trump-after-pro-shot-comments-2021-12-30/

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/23/politics/trump-vaccine-covid-effectiveness/index.html

Ah yes, scientific evidence. But only the evidence you like, the rest you ignore.

Calm down with the Trumpster stuff, you'll give yourself an aneurysm.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119121079#Comment_119121079

Aye, in December 2021. After the damage had been done.

EmmetSpiceland

There was a study that showed Trump was the main antivax influencer on Twitter in 2020, this was despite not making any overt anti-vaccination statements.

It wasn’t just about covid vaccines, either. The study, also, showed that he made comments linking autism to vaccines. I really can’t see how anyone calling Trump antivax would be incorrect.