How to get tenant to leave

Donnylynch

Had recent dealing with RTB, it will take 15 - 20 business days to get a reply from these guys. Followed process but impossible to get anyone on the phone. They also messed up the dates on a acknowledgement letter ( non payment of rent ) Luckily the tenants vacated. My advice, send all correspondence via registered post. Follow the 6 step process on rtb website. Get a solicitor to check all your documentation. Best of luck.

Toby22

Hi, tenants still in situ. Solicitor letter sent to say property to be vacated in two weeks. Phone call to RTB, you are number 47 in the queue😟. Family member working so can’t stay on hold . Fingers crossed. She is engaged and hopes to buy a house in the next couple of years, had intended holding onto apartment as a pension source but has now decided that when she buys house apartment is sold. Can’t blame her

Why don't yee just get a group together, kick in the door and toss them out?

Tell the guards they are trespassing on private property.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082877#Comment_119082877

Let’s hope you are not in a position where decisions matter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082891#Comment_119082891

But the replies on this from what I gather are suggesting that it's gonna be an ordeal to solve and even advising to pay somebody to leave the property. Madness

Toss em out and dont respond to any crap that comes in the letter box

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082877#Comment_119082877

This would be an illegal eviction and cost the landlord probably five figures in compensation. So no, don't do that and don't suggest it.

Your further suggestion is a recipe to going to prison for contempt of court, too

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082959#Comment_119082959

You understand that what you advocate is both illegal and likely to result in a far more substantial payout to the tenant?

Well all the other advice seemed like a load of boolox and hassle

If it was my property, I'd be telling them of you won't leave, I'll make you leave. One way or another

You have to grow a pair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082990#Comment_119082990

Advice, generally, is confined to options which do not break the law, nor result in the LL have to pay huge compensation to the tenant.

Growing a pair doesn’t mean that pair should be in charge of critical thinking, that should be confined to the six inches between your ears.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082990#Comment_119082990

If your advice is going to continue to be illegal, stop posting on this thread.

Tenants would have some job getting a penny of me is all I could say.

Paying tenants to leave your property is that how bad it's become now in Ireland? Christ above.

What would happen in other countries if they wouldn't leave out of curiosity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083025#Comment_119083025

What's illegal about coming to the door and asking them to please leave or else

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083042#Comment_119083042

The “or else”. It would be an illegal eviction.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083042#Comment_119083042

The "or else"

Do not post on this thread again.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083031#Comment_119083031

It wouldn't be the tenant that would have to worry about getting paid.

They would send the sheriff who you would have the privilege of paying for also.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056128#Comment_119056128

I believe in fair play and that is not fair play.....someone does that to me I think long and hard about ways to inconvenience them ....but because they've taken up my time getting them to leave as agreed then I'll be adding on my hourly rate + interest + additional hardship charges........and I **** will be getting my pound of flesh even if I have to cut my nose off to spite my face.

Literally **** em..

I've never in my life not abided by an agreement...if you do something like remain somewhere especially when you've been shown alternatives and after been given the required notice you are scum afaic...(never mind the fact there was an agreement and its simply not your place)

No wonder private landlords want to sell up, I take it as complete breakdown in civilised society that the system could be so skewed in favour of one side of an agreement and as far as I'd be concerned most bets are off regarding what might be on the table dealing with assholes playing the system at my expense. And the system inevitably will incentivise that kind of outlook. An awful lot of laws and consequences seem to be only a deterrant for the generally reasonable law abiding people but there's a turning point for that too.

At so many levels of society now there is dysfunction due to the easy way out and **** all consequences for scumbag behaviour beyond the inevitable natural ones.

cuttingtimber22

How common is this type of behaviour?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083139#Comment_119083139

Very, the media just don't report it

cuttingtimber22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083148#Comment_119083148

I don’t understand that. But then again I look at all the votes that SF get - sense of entitlement to houses.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083139#Comment_119083139

A thread on here recently even showed that a local authority told one of their tenants not to leave private accommodation after adequate notice expired.

airy fairy

It's a well known fact that Threshold will advise tenants to overhold in properties and to not pay rent. To push LL to the limit as the system takes so long to evict, it will benefit the tenant financially. RTB are only a Mickey mouse group to prolong the inevitable, supposed to be non bias but clearly sways towards the tenant and has no real legal standing anyway, it serves no real purpose.

Slideways

There should be a national database linked to your PPS number.

If you have had a non payment or decision against you for a rental property it would be there for public consumption and leave you black listed from EVER getting a private rental property again.

That might give these parasites something to ponder before they act the cünt

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056550#Comment_119056550

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056637#Comment_119056637

Can anyone point me towards these laws the tenants are breaking?

You should be able to point them out on https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/

Thanks

Mad_maxx

No country protects rogue tenants more than this one, it's unconscionable

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083721#Comment_119083721

You’d almost think the Government doesn’t want landlords.

Vestiapx

It's a gift not income 😜

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083721#Comment_119083721

And probably not too many countries support residential property owners, both directly and indirectly, like this one does.

It's unconscionable.

I'd personally love for the government to remove all supports, both direct and indirect and just let the market land where it does. No more rent supplement subsidising landlords or bidding up houses to purchase them for social tenants. That would be even writing off the measures brought in after the last crash to soften the landing of the market as much as they could.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083806#Comment_119083806

I know I’m going to regret this, but how do the government support home owners?

Edit: you added another paragraph to your post, sorry I engaged.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083811#Comment_119083811

So what is your position? You don't believe that the state injects massive money into the property market? Or is it that you don't believe that injecting that money into the market increases rental levels and property prices, and hence asset values, for property owners?

Which is it? I have to know what I'm working with here. Do you have a logical position on the point or are you just someone sticking their fingers in their ears going "nah nah nah na na na"?

The property market crashed over a decade ago. The State assumed many debts and bad assets from the banks rather than letting them all hit the market at the same time. It also implemented measures to protect property owners? Were you not aware of that??????????? That was a massive subsidy from the state to property owners.

I always have to laugh at the peopel moaning about the tenants not paying and pretending they are "stealing". They're not stealing. If you are a "landlord" then you are running a business and you have to be able to manage risk. Rule 101 of managing risk is not to put all your eggs into one basket.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083835#Comment_119083835

CSO data from 2019 showed over 180k persons were reliant on HAP/rent supplement, a figure that has no doubt increased since then. I bet when you were typing your earlier post you thought only about home owners being subsidised and gave no thought to the implications for those people if the supplements were removed.

The tenant receives the subsidy, not the service provider.

Your post is complete waffle.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083846#Comment_119083846

Hmmm.

So if the government removed all subsidies and exited anything to do with the private market, you think that there would be no impact on prices?

You might want to start reading up some basic economics. I think your definition of "waffle" just means a simple concept that you can't grasp.

The subsidy entirely benefits the property owner. And benefits other property owners indirectly by propping up the market artificially.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083872#Comment_119083872

I think it is short sighted to think that would be the most important impact of removing rent supplement from 200k+ people.

Im mad with myself for engaging with you.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083957#Comment_119083957

So how do you think your own income and property value would be affected if it did happen? You surely have to recognise that if that tap was cut off, there'd be a large chunk of the population who simply wouldn't be able to pay their current levels of rent. And there wouldn't be enough "full paying" people out there waiting in the wings to step in and take over. So those landlords have to come to an arrangement with them based on what they can pay. With rental returns down, you can bet that property prices would soon follow. That would be magnified by removing State buying from the property market.

Now, I'm not proposing that this could, or should, happen tomorrow or anytime soon. I am merely using it to explain to the whingers who moan about the State without recognising that they receive huge benefit, even if it is indirect, from the State. So don't be moaning so much if the same State puts in a few rules that you think are "unfair" to you.

If they did do it tonight, there would still be the same number of properties and the same number of people in the country tomorrow morning.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083547#Comment_119083547

But while this advice from Threshold may be benefitting a small number of tenants they cannot or don't want to see the long term damage this is contributing to the rental market as landlords sell up.

I’m inheriting property - I’ve seen a number of these threads on boards.ie these last number of years and this particular one is just so depressing. - unless the government protects small private landlords more, I’ll never rent out the property that I’m inheriting.

There needs to be some sort of government under writing scheme in place - pay the landlord then hit the tenant with interest and penalties- make it a crime to overstay your lease- in some states in America, the sherif arrives, with his gun, to make sure you leave.

And at 50c in the euro tax, the investment isn’t commensurate with the risk of renting your property- do away with the tax on one property landlord single rented properties and I’d stay.

PalLimerick

Flagged.

PalLimerick

What would you do if the tenant had a pair too and was up for fist fight with you or his crowd vs your crowd?

PalLimerick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083547#Comment_119083547

No it's not. Provide proof or stop tarnishing the reputation of a legitimate organisation.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084095#Comment_119084095

That's fine. But if you want a risk free income, you need to be happy with risk free rates of return. So currently about zero percent. i.e. the income from letting out your property should just be enough to maintain it in its current state

Income is income and has to be taxed. If it's not worth it for you, then you can sell the property if you want.

rightmove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084000#Comment_119084000

problem is there is no consequences for them. The loser here is the LL at the start and the tenants at the end. Populist politics seems to suit the tenant but its really only delaying winter for them. There needs to be political will to get anything done but for most on here the horse has bolted and everyone is out or getting out. My tenant stopped paying in the end even though it was ages to get them out and the rent was about 40% below. They were also getting gov support and had moved out and sub let the place

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084351#Comment_119084351

I have no intention of proving you with proof.

I lived through the living nightmare that was a tenant withholding without payment in my property for 12 months. My experience with prtb are legit. My experience with a solicitor and barrister, in a court of law and what exchanges and admissions took place are legit. I have no reason to lie.

The dogs on the street know Threshold give this kind of advice to tenants. And not far behind them is the prtb. And I won't withdraw, or give you proof of such.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083806#Comment_119083806

if you mean that property taxes are too low than i agree with you , other than that , i dont really know what you mean ?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084385#Comment_119084385

Advising them they can overhold would not necessarily mean advising them not to pay you the rent.

PalLimerick

Well it's hearsay then.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084371#Comment_119084371

Sub let after moving out?

The biggest issue I can see is that the tenant knows if they wait until the sheriff the reward is that they are handed paperwork to present to the council who are obliged to house them.

Mad_maxx

have a chat with them and suggestion something like a " relocation donation "

it happens all of the time as the process is simply too long and drawn out , most dishonest people who if willing to steal from a landlord for two years while continuing to live in their property are usually pretty pragmatic in other ways and understand fiscal incentives

TheWonderLlama

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082969#Comment_119082969

https://www.mcgrathmcgrane.ie/news/damages-for-illegal-eviction-from-the-prtb.html

between 5 and 8 grand for an illegal eviction is still cheaper than legal fees and high court order.

Kind of worrying that it is.

rightmove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084385#Comment_119084385

my lot had threshold on their sides also. My agent told me they had been to see threshold when I originally tried to move them. I initially was going to move back into the house myself (related to my employment situation at the time).

i was renting at the same time but would never think of playing my LL who never issued official notice or anything. It was a gentlemans agreement and I stuck to it. When I was unable to move on the given week he told me to stay on until my issues were sorted. - no need for prtb or anyone else - funny that!!

DubCount

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084095#Comment_119084095

This is not difficult to deal with.

In the UK, 3 months arrears is automatic grounds for eviction - no excuses. The landlord simply goes to the local county court, proves the arrears and gets an eviction order. Then the Landlord gets the bailiffs in to do the eviction based on the County Court Order. There is no time wasted going through pointless hearings and appeals with the RTB, there is no "lets give the tenant a few extra months" in the courts. Quick action, and the Landlord can also effectively and efficiently recoup losses suffered from any assets the tenants own (cars etc.). The tenant once evicted becomes the responsibility of the Local Authority to house (not the landlord).

In Ireland, the Local Authority or central government are happy with the status quo. While someone squats in a private landlords property, the government don't have to provide them with accommodation, and they don't appear in the homeless statistics. Long term thinking is not important to them. The result is a cohort of rogue tenants who know how to play the system who move from one home to another stinging a stream of landlords along the way. There is no consequence to their actions, so it continues.

To fix this:

1) Allow RTB orders to be enforced by the County Sheriff without recourse to the courts, or abolish the requirement to go through the RTB and allow landlords go directly to the courts to obtain an eviction order.

2) Make staying in a property for more than x months without paying rent a criminal offence

3) Allow for the meaningful repayment of debts owed by tenants to Landlords through the seizure of assets.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084397#Comment_119084397

County Councils bidding up private buyers on private housing rather than building their own.

Tax incentives for certain market participants makes it attractive to pay higher prices for units than they otherwise might. Thus bumping up prices a bit more.

Billions of state money flowing into the private rental market which allows social tenants priority access to housing that they would otherwise not be able to afford - reducing the supply for private renters and driving up prices overall.

Confidence that, at the end of the day, the government would cushion any bubble bursting like they did the last time - taking bad assets and holding them to prevent disorderly firesales all hitting the market together, rules changed for moratoriums on house repossessions etc. Allowing banks some leeway not to realise some losses on their books right away.

I'm not saying that the above is all bad, but it does benefit property owners. So they shouldn't be automatically whinging when there might be something that helps protect tenants! Even if that thing can be abused, it is still there for a reason.