Picard 2x09 - 'Hide and Seek' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

mewso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118994718#Comment_118994718

I'm not thinking about things happening. I'm measuring on stupid and this episode had a whole lotta stupid. If you are rating this show on things happening then it's a work of art.

PhiloCypher

Just binged episodes 7, 8 and 9 tonight after having watched the previous episodes Weekly. Either the quality shot up or they just work better when binged, not saying they were peak trek or anything but I felt more engaged in the individual stories.

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I thought James Callis as Picards Dad was superb. There were shades of that BSG ep where Baltar reveals his dirt poor upbringing to Tyrol by reverting his to the Aerilon accent he tried so hard to lose , in how he seemed to do an impression of Stewarts/Picard voice. Or was I just imagining it ??

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Similarly with Guinan I felt in this batch of episodes the new actress embodied her far better and at times even sounded like her.

murpho999

Absolute rubbish in almost every scene.

In last week’s thread there were apologists on say old trek fans are just struggling with he transition to New Trek. The fact is that this show is simply not Star Trek. Poor characters, poor acting,and canon being torn apart.

Also how the hell could all these drones only with laser sights manage to inflict only 1 bullet on target.ie Rios’s arm?

Worse shots than any WW2 Hollywood German Nazi soldier.

Truth is none of us would watch this if it wasn’t Star Trek as it’s so bad. Just that link to ST keeps us there.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118996097#Comment_118996097

I think everyone is on singing from the same hymn sheet with this episode - whilst some have been more forgiving with past episodes this episode took the piss. I was like I will forgive all past transgressions but this took the biscuit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118996097#Comment_118996097

It was terrible.

1: Where is Robert?

2: Are we really meant to believe that mental health medicine is at the level of locking in rooms, in that distant future where the tech is near magic

3: Talking of tech. Why would someone, from our time, be able to use a medical tricorder?

4: Horrible use of laser sights to try to replicate their red beam look

5: Laser sights are for guided shooting, not for randomly walking around letting people see you coming.

6: Why "hide and Seek" and not just scan for them?

7: Why would a Borg Queen need a future ship. She has the knowledge of the future tech already to just build one. Enterprise already showed how Borg would begin to adapt local tech and advance with more resources. Ent was lucky to destroy them and would have lost given another few hours

8: WTF is this nonsense of her not being able to make proper nanites?

9: Borg Queen is only a poor misunderstood lonely lady, lashing out?

10: How does 7 get borg implants to completely match previous iterations?

11:Spiner can not act, stop making him be human characters.

12: All those shots and a single flesh wound (and it was only a flesh wound, his arm didn't even fall off)

13: Destroying the only other glimpse of Madam Picard we ever got by having JL (yeah this is not Captain Picard, it is JL) say that he use to just imagine her older offering him tea

Worst this about all this is that I think Rios could carry a show, competently written. They have lucked into a good character and very good actor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118988031#Comment_118988031

I forgot about the mobile emitter FFS made absolutely no sense

Rawr

Uhh…so disappointing that we came to this. One episode to go and they didn’t even set up for the last episode properly. Are they really going to try to resolve everything in the last 40 mins? What an awful waste, especially after they needlessly used up 2-3 episodes on filler.

I’m pretty much going to echo many here, but did the writers just not know about Robert Picard? Had they not seen Family, where we see Chateau Picard for the first time? I don’t think Robert was all that much older than Jean-Luc, so I doubt he’s away at some job or higher education. I did however like that Picard had an NX-Class and Miranda Class model/toy. That would make sense for a young Starfleet fan of that era.

I was afraid that the new Borg we’d get would be a damp squib, and sure enough they were. No robotic marching towards them, no danger of being injected by nanoprobes, just generic soldiers with some extra makeup and lazer sights. I don’t really mind the automatic weapons…but couldn’t they have been more…Borg-ish about it? Very let down there, but I don’t find myself surprised.

Seven’s impants may have just been for the sake of convenience, since they know how to do that makeup on her. However, again, have they not watched Voyager? The implants she had were left over components that The Doctor couldn’t take out. Her signature Occular Implant socket was supposed to go with an impant, it just appearing without explanation seems off.

The plan to “nice-ify” the Borg seems to forget that in 2024 the Borg already have a huge empire in the Delta Quadrant with thier own Queen. Why would they listen to the Jurati Queen? They’d be more inclined to consume her and LaSerena for every advantage they could get.

I am however really warming up to Rios. How about a Stargazer show with him as Captain? That might be good.

Speaking of Captains:

Raffi: “Seven, you would make a great Captain. Actually, you know what, as soon as we get back-“

You’ll do what Commander Raffi? In you capacity as non-flag Starfleet officer you’ll recommend an ex-NCO to be given a Starfleet commission and ship? Ignoring the stupidity of Starfleet somehow not wanting the best Borg expert they could ever hope for (with years of experience as a Starfleet Crewman to boot), Seven would have to go the Academy if she wants to be an officer…with all of the teens/ 20-somethings who are on their way to their first career posting.

Were’re suddenly going to see Seven as a commissioned officer at the end of this, aren’t we?

pc7

As said above Rios is just so likable, would love his own spin off

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118997854#Comment_118997854

As long as the Lower Decks staff are running it, the current live action group seemingly can't write.

Speaking of Rios, did he forget that that's not his La Sirena? He seemed just too attached to it despite it being a Confederation ship

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118997287#Comment_118997287

Robert is in boarding school according to an earlier scene. The rest I agree with especially Rios.

Imagine like Lower Decks he was part of a ship and crew with no memberberries baggage and no backstory from previous shows to rip to shreds. No Mummy Picard no Spock relations and no young Uhuras. New ship new crew.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998351#Comment_118998351

Everyone forgot it was a different Sirena. Legolas was only on that Sirena for a minute before he was shot but the ship made a perfect hologram.

Crap ship anyway. I never fell for it as a lead ship and it felt like Star Trek just trying to rip off the Roci.

ilovesmybrick

I think what's annoying me more is that it's not quite as bad as Discovery, the writing is marginally better (probably helped by pre-existing characters) and at less there is more sense of an ensemble cast, and Christ if they leave Rios in the past and don't work him into another show...

It's just so bloody disappointing. This season started off so well, and it's not that it degenerated into a mess so much, it just degenerated into, nothing. There are individual parts that work well, but there's no focus, there are too many moving parts, and there's no concept of what this entire season is about? Okay, fix the past to prevent bad future, all in all very Star Trek. But why is any of this happening, why is it happening to these people, and how in the name of God does any of this tie together in the last episode without a Deus (Q) Ex Machina? Season one improved when watched as a binge. Maybe that's the case here too, but I doubt it. This episode in particular has really dampened down any hopes I had for SNW. The only Trek that seems to have competency at the moments is Lower Decks. The rest is just bad.

Evade

Neutering Q really didn't help this series. Half the fun of Q is him popping in to stir things up a bit before clicking away.

Bobtheman

I think its ploughing away. Very dark. Especially with the suicide of Picards mother.

It's not the best trek I ever saw but I never thought it was going to be with an 80 year old Stewart

Im just waiting for another forward moving trek series with new characters

Bobtheman

I would have liked to see Picard married to Beverly with a junior Picard.

Like the novels post tv

JayRoc

I had enjoyed the previous couple of episodes relatively speaking. This one was the worst of the series.

The egregious re-writing of established history (and the amount of people who seemed to accept the daft "the stuff that happened in TNG was actually not real, it was just wishful thinking" etc) was a joke. The mental health/suicide thing would have been a perfectly interesting albeit currently overdone subplot if it wasn't totally conradicting decades of stories in detail and tone.

And as for the "Borg Are Nice Now" ? I literally groaned.

Someone said earlier we wouldn't be giving this show the time of day if it didn't have Picard's name on it, and that is so true. The worst bit is I will 100% watch the next(last) series too.

But I bet only once...

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118999016#Comment_118999016

Didn’t Generations confirm he was sterile or something like that?

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118999868#Comment_118999868

He lamented the fact that he hadn't started a family but I don't remember him saying, or even implying, he was incapable of it. Plus how sterile could you be in Star Trek? They can do a lot of genetic wizardry.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118999912#Comment_118999912

I always assumed it was just that Picard was getting to old to start having kids. Now, in Trek at that stage life expectancy seemed to go beyond 100 years (McCoy was on the Enterprise D FFS!) but there’s only so far you can go with fertility of the mother. Even with Trek tech, he would have started to need a much younger girlfriend/wife if he wanted to have kids. I’m guessing that Picard’s thinking by around Generations was that this probably wasn’t going to happen.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000253#Comment_119000253

Beverly was 47 around that time and it wouldn't be unheard of to have a child at that age nowadays. Some Ba'ku planet related rejuvenation could stretch that window a little further

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998528#Comment_118998528

Legolas 🤣

I would have said that they could repair eggs or even generate new ones but, after seeing that their answer to mental health is locking people in the bedroom, their medical science is far lower than we were lead to believe

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000833#Comment_119000833

I think, in universe, that's more reflective of Maurice than medical science in general. Out of universe it's the writers being just crap

_Kaiser_

Hmm...

I think it was best summed up a few posts above. After a very promising start, the quality has just fallen away rapidly in the last few weeks. It's not BAD, it's just not particularly GOOD and (leaving aside the time setting) too much contemporary language, attitudes and behaviours from the crew with stuff that just doesn't make sense vs decades of established lore.

Q has been practically non-existent despite the anticipation of his return, the Borg just becoming nice is nonsense (and the predictions that it was Jurati behind the mask on the Stargazer were seemingly right!), and it seems clear to me that the season finale will be a setup for the TNG crew to rescue Picard from the past next season, unless indeed it's all just undone in under an hour.

It's all just turned out to be underwhelming. It's certainly not the car crash that was season 1, and I really like the Rios and the doc storyline, but they need to stop trying to make Raffi happen - it's never going to happen, I'd be happy never to see Jurati again too, and Picard/Stewart himself really is far too old for this now as is very clear in the action scenes of the last few episodes.

But, Lower Decks is still awesome and even Prodigy turned out to be very enjoyable so there's still that. I watched the title sequence for Strange New Worlds earlier and it looks good alright, but I'm sure they'll find a way to mess that up too (although I'm - unpopular opinion ahead - not pushed on Pike and Number One anyway and I read something about a young Kirk making an appearance? Wtf!).

Bobtheman

Good point about locking her in the room. It's true you'd think mental health treatment would be better but they needed to link Picard to his mother's death.

It's a shame they didn't put more thought into it.

Bobtheman

I did like how they wrapped up Agnes story. Usually it's the good inside them wins etc. This was clever. A compromise even if its hard to see the Borg queen being that easily persuaded.

But I thought they needed the borg queen to get home? Actually they have no ship either??!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119001378#Comment_119001378

That whole story didn't need to exist. It's just trauma as a cheap way to create Oscar style "drama"

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118997287#Comment_118997287

11:Spiner can not act, stop making him be human characters.

I agree with you on all points bar that one. He can act. Just needs to be given the right material and he has been overused in Picard that it has just got silly and stupid.

Bobtheman

Picard season 1 had the right start with Picard out of star fleet. Let down by it. Even the issue with artificial intelligence was ok. Robots rebelling but it was way too complicated overall. Too intricate.

It wasn't a big deal having Data either but having Dr soong suddenly have a human son was ridiculous

Bringing him back again was over doing it.

While I enjoyed season 2 better than 1 i think I will cash out at this point.

No season 3 pour moi

And no season 5 discovery.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998720#Comment_118998720

They have kind of painted themselves into a corner with Q. They have shown he is no longer as powerful as he was, so perhaps can't fix things himself. Which I suppose begs the question, how do they get home, but Season 1 finale we had a magic wand which helped fix things up for them "Just imagine it is fixed". so, things could well be resolved-ish by a similar bit of magic. Maybe it will be Q clicking his fingers for the last time as he dies.

On a rewatch I enjoyed Season 1 of Picard but jesus, there were so many missed oppurtunities for epicness, and like this season, so much bloody filler for a 10 episode season. And, Im sorry, Soji is so beautiful, how she was ever interested in that hideous, greasy Romulan alludes me.

Rios is so likeable, the Emergency Combat Hologram should have been his Mexican alter-ego not Legolass.