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Picard 2x07 - 'Monsters' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

  • 14-04-2022 7:51am
    Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ ilovesmybrick

    Picard 2x07 - 'Monsters' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers 



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ ilovesmybrick

    Couldn't wait until the episode ended to post

    What a great cameo after the discussion in the general trek forum! I was struggling to place the voice for a moment!

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC

    Well that was not great. Could have worse I suppose but could have been a lot better too. All that nonsense inside Picards head made no sense at all just wasted time. Who was that interviewing him? Not Will Wheaton was it? That would be gas if he played Picards father lol.

    That bit with the back story to the guineas race and the Q was OK that was about it. I was expecting to see LA assimilated and they would have to turn it around. No such luck. Maybe next episode.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ ilovesmybrick

    had you described that to me before watching i would have moaned and groaned about it being silly - a waste of time in a short season..

    Yup, this was almost exactly the type of episode I feared would happen after last week, and I said it in my post for the last episode. But I do think they pulled it off very well.

    The pacing is a bit off, there are some jumps that are a bit much, but I want another three episodes in the season. Not just to give space to wrap it up, but because it's enjoyable.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭ nudain

    I'll go one better, I mixed up the two doctors and thought he was the one who played Bashir. "How the f*ck can he be Picard's dad?" is a fairly mild summary of what I was thinking until I looked up imdb.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭ corkie

    Alexander Siddig & James Callis do look similar. But knew it wasn't Bashir in the episode. I recognized Callis, but he has been in allot so wasn't sure where from.

    "He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" - Khan quoting Moby Dick (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)

  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 23,801 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Spear

    I'm quite satisfied where they went with the well worn "enter someone's mindscape" trope. They managed to reverse it nicely, twice arguably, since not only do they turn it around by revealing the mother was mentally ill (bi-polar?), but it looks like Picard actions may have led to her death or suffering as it suggests at the end.

    The thread about revealing things to the doc and her kid felt dumb though. They stick to the avoid butterflys mantra all season, then piss all over it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭ Slydice

    My reaction to the episode: Ha! Suckers! Shoulda studied up on your 21st Century History! 😁

    My first google: OH YESSSS!!! Baltar! Of course! Damn I knew he was familiar!

    I swear, Picard's father reminded me of a cross between the most Section 31 crossover of Alexander Siddig and William Sadler! I had to google who the actor was. It nagged at the back of my head. James Callis makes total sense.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985

    I knew I recognised it straight away but couldnt think who. Thought it might have been Steven Merchant but as soon as I saw a hint of the side profile my brain was screaming so much that I had to rewind the scene just to listen to the dialogue

  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭ eadrom

    I liked that! Some awful dialog in parts and the scenes with the doctor feel a bit flat but otherwise pretty good.

    3 left (right?) and I'm still interested.

  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ ilovesmybrick

    I was the exact same when I heard the voice, thought it was Siddig initially.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭ Evade

    For a delving into someone's mind episode it wasn't bad and the revelation of Picard's mother is better than the set up lead me to believe. Guinan happening to have the one and only Q summoning device stretches credulity as well as Picard happening to be caught on camera as he beamed in. Rios must have read Kirk's detailed biography and I'm sure he'll bring that up as a defence when Temporal Investigations shows up.

    Is the future safe now and the Renée Picard bit solved?

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985

    The Guinan bit was odd. It sounded like that was the only one but also that El Aurians are summoning Qs all the time. Also the whole genie in a bottle look was a bit stupid.

  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭ eadrom

    Yeah I thought Guinan was better overall in this episode but that plot device bottle was daft, or at least poorly explained. I assume/hope we're not expected to believe this is the only bottle of screaming black Q-juice but the dialog seemed to suggest it was.

    The scenes with Rios and his doctor friend were also really clunky.

    And I wish they got Stewart even just 5 years earlier. Dude is old. Like, bless him, but it's difficult to watch at times. Just left thinking that both the fictional characters and the real world production crew should give the guy a break. Some scenes are fine, plenty of others he looks and sounds like he'd rather have a nap.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭ Rawr

    I initally thought Siddig had changed his screen-name again, but now I’m embarressed to find this to be one of the guys in BSG I liked the most. (God damn I’m not good with faces)

    The uniform kind of threw me off a few times. Occasionally it looked like the First Contact uniform (I spotted a blue band on the arm), then it appeared to be the early DS9 / Voyager uniform with department colour. But the lighting was really odd, so I started to think that the shoulders were grey and this was a 3rd uniform varient that was half-way between Voyager and First Contact.

    Does however look like the early DS9 / Voyager uniform, which I guess is the first reappearance of it since Voyager. I wonder why they / Picard’s mind went for that era? (We don’t know much about what happened to Picard between Generations & First Contact. Something happen there?)

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭ Evade

    It was more like a early DS9/Voy jumpsuit cut in First Contact/late DS9 colour scheme.

  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ ilovesmybrick

    I initally thought Siddig had changed his screen-name again, but now I’m embarressed to find this to be one of the guys in BSG I liked the most. (God damn I’m not good with faces)

    Not the only one who did that. I initially was thinking that Siddig had aged really weirdly!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985

    It's definitely not the Voyager uniform because that didn't have a sleeve stripe and this one had extra bits of black on the neck trim. It's just a new uniform we have never seen before that fits into that era. Could be a ground crew or station uniform as Trek has had those before or maybe just something Picard dreamed up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭ corkie

    Jay Karnes who played FBI agent Martin Welles previously appeared in Star Trek: Voyager as the 29th-century time traveling Starfleet officer Ducane, but he also worked with Matalas on 12 Monkeys… as an FBI agent.

    Can't find the link but some post I read, referred to the uniform as been a confederate design?

    "He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" - Khan quoting Moby Dick (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭ Rawr

    Seems to lend some weight to my earlier pondering that this was a reference to the time between Generations and First Contact. So, this Grey-ish uniform could be an intermediate design before they went for the full on, padded grey shoulders with department colour collar. They are also suggesting that Picard's evaluation happened in his Enterprise E ready room. We never got a really good look at that room, so I guess it could be that.

    You know, if they wanted to make me a particularly happy Trekkie...a revisit of the Enterprise E wouldn't be a bad way of doing that....just saying...

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_

    Well that was very cool..

    - Callbacks to various TNG episodes with the voices in the dungeon - BOBW ("I am Locutus.."), Tapestry ("I'd rather die as the man I was than live the life I just saw"), Chain of Command ("There are 4 lights!!")

    - Two big guest stars who played great roles previously - Baltar (BSG) and Dutch (from the Shield - greatest cop drama ever imo. It would be funny if he was the same character.. Finally got his FBI job!)

    - I seem to be in the minority, but I really like the Rios bits (nice nod to the Voyage Home with the "no, I'm from x, I only work in outer space" line). He and the doc have a nice chemistry

    - Good twist with Picard's father too. Also I'm guessing that Talinn is somehow Laris before they met in the future

    - The Queen plot moving along nicely too

    Really enjoyed that one again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭ Evade

    I like Rios as character this season but some of his storyline is a little generic. If we were to get a series set in the 25th century Rios on the Stargazer would have be my number one choice.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_

    Yea those scenes in the first episode this season left me wanting more alright. The show finally found itself - updated but still with the classic Trek feel underneath that was missing from season 1 and Discovery never found.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985

    Yep. After the little tease at the start I do wish we could get a bit more of a captain and his starship rather than all this time hijinks.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭ pah

    At the credits now. Yawn fest so far

  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 34,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭ AlmightyCushion

    I literally just finished watching the shield a couple of weeks ago.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,884 ✭✭✭✭ TheValeyard

    Was a different kind of episode. It felt it worked for the most part.

    Great seen Baltar in a Trek uniform. Probably give Starfleet defence codes to the Borg lol.

    I liked the twist at the end and wrapped up most of the mom storyline.

    Did feel beaming the doc and her kid onto the ship was a bit silly. No need for it. Rios is a ships captain, why would he break all those rules?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!