Emails from Manager

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 7:55am #1

Not su much a work problem but something that is slightly annoying.

Manager sends out emails to all the employees, which are mostly admin stuff, sometimes giving out about trivial matters etc. From time to time there is a clear complaint from CEO that is disguised as coming from manager.

The thing is we all know that its not the manager writing these emails but the CEO who writes them and forwards to the manager to send out pretending they are coming from him.

Is that legal? Can a manager put his name to an email which is clearly not coming from himself?

Princess Calla · 23-03-2022 8:04am

Yeah it's the chain of command.

Directors tell senior management what they want. Senior management tell middle management what they want. Middle management tell the little people what they want.

The message will be doctored according to the audience.

Very rarely the CEO will talk to the little people on daily matters.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118821990#Comment_118821990

But the way the emails are written is that it is coming from the manager when it was written by the CEO.

We know the difference in the emails because the colour and font from manager is different than the CEO.

whippet · 23-03-2022 8:16am

And why does it matter who they come from ?

maestroamado · 23-03-2022 8:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118821990#Comment_118821990

I notice the change in management style in the very successful commercial i was with some years ago where middle management that were decision makers in their own right... when they were being replaced the new managers were weak individuals and i expect this was to make sure they bring the message to the employees... often at meetings things would be discussed and never be mentioned again simply because the manager hadn't the balls to bring to the more senior manager... Generally the top management were very on the ball...

Another thing would be they bring in a consultant and be all the talk... if the consultant was going in the direction they wanted all be fine and things may be altered... if not the consultant would simply disappear overnight... all a game i used to enjoy watching...

bricksNDmortar · 23-03-2022 8:20am

There is a divisional or Line manager in all places of employment. If the CEO tells one of his Hierarchy to send out an email he does it, it’s irrelevant what anyone else thinks.

is it legal? Of course it is legal.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822020#Comment_118822020

Its frustrating that the CEO cant put his own name to emails. But thanks for your input!

maestroamado · 23-03-2022 8:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822029#Comment_118822029

Its simply not his job... why have a dog and bark yourself... they generally send out messages to all when appropriate..

whippet · 23-03-2022 8:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822029#Comment_118822029

I'm not sure why you'd see it as frustrating.. a CEO just does not want to get involved in day to day stuff .. that is the role of managers ... if the CEO were to send the mails you'd be inviting people to email back looking for clarification/ responses etc .. this is what managers are for.

bucketybuck · 23-03-2022 8:48am

"Is it legal?"

Is this thread a wind up?

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822126#Comment_118822126

No need to be a dick about it. I asked a question, I got an answer but yeh cheers for your enlightened opinion about it.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822093#Comment_118822093

I find it frustrating because the CEO will write an email, send it to the manager and then the manager forwards it to staff pretending that it was him that wrote it and claim ownership for it, on everything from company procedures to lack of blue roll in the jacks! Manager is totally spineless.

Mike Murdock · 23-03-2022 9:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

I don't know what you expect.

If it is a message explicitly from the CEO, managers don't tend to mess around with it and just forward it; there is no room for interpretation when it comes to the written word of the CEO.

It's the chain of command.

bucketybuck · 23-03-2022 9:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822133#Comment_118822133

Is this your opinion, or are you just repeating it in your own words? Is that legal?

AndrewJRenko · 23-03-2022 9:08am

Call one or other out on it, if you think it is bad practice.

whippet · 23-03-2022 9:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

so is it the CEO or the Manager you have issue with ?

Seems like you have more issues that who wrote an email and show a lot of disrespect for your manager - that should all go well for you and your future in the company

Flinty997 · 23-03-2022 9:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

Why is sending an email spineless?

whippet · 23-03-2022 9:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822232#Comment_118822232

because the OP obviously doesn't like him/her and has issues with being lower down the food chain

Princess Calla · 23-03-2022 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

No he's not....he's passing the information down as he receives it.

Why would he paraphrase a whole email potentially leaving out something important.

If something so trivial is causing you stress I'd suggest you start looking for a new place to work in.

Dodge · 23-03-2022 9:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

With the greatest of respect, you need to grow up. It is completely immaterial which of your superiors sends you an email

Sounds like you don’t like your manager. Get over that or leave.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 9:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822255#Comment_118822255

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822215#Comment_118822215

Honestly I am not too worried about the me and the future in the company. Its means to an end and that is it.

I don't like my manager, I don't like the CEO.

Deeec · 23-03-2022 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822426#Comment_118822426

I think you need to leave the job. It seems you are analysing everything too much and trying to find problems. If this is annoying you than you are going to have an issue in every job. This is standard in every company - CEO raises an issue with a Manager and then the Manager brings it to the attention of their team. No big deal at all.

whippet · 23-03-2022 10:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822426#Comment_118822426

that makes sense .. your obviously not a fit for the company and as you said it is a means to an ends so - do your job and they will pay you .. nothing more nothing less and you are only annoying yourself thinking too much about who sends what email.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 10:09am

This is why I asked the question. I know its a small petty issue. Thanks all.

Dodge · 23-03-2022 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822505#Comment_118822505

I mean, you didn’t just ask was it normal. You wanted to know was it legal and you called the CEO spineless. Pretty strong stuff for what you’re now saying is petty

Jim2007 · 23-03-2022 1:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822154#Comment_118822154

How the manager decides to disseminate the instructions from his CEO is up to him, not the CEO. Most likely the CEO does not know nor even care how it is done as long as it gets done. Making all kinds of assumptions about the CEO and then getting up set about it is for the birds.

AndrewJRenko · 23-03-2022 3:17pm

It does seem like poor practice to be using managers to forward emails like this, and pretend that they are from themselves, because no-one really believes this.

I've seen good managers forward emails from above with their own perspective on the matter, localising the issue to their own division. I've seen good CEOs communicating directly with all staff, including clear instructions for people to take up any queries with their line manager or HR or whatever.

There are many better ways for managers to communicate other than pretending that emails have come from themselves.

DoctorEdgeWild · 23-03-2022 5:36pm

This is the way of every business I've ever worked in, the CEO/directors job to decide what the company wants/needs, then it's management's job to communicate that down the line. Sometimes this means filtering it and making it target specific, sometimes it's just relaying the message verbatim.

Dozens of times I've had to communicate to people about an issue that I didn't think was important but the people who pay me do so I did what I needed to do.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118823260#Comment_118823260

Well who pissed on your chips? What do you want from me?

I asked the question, accepted the answer. I may not like the answer but that’s it.

HalfAndHalf · 23-03-2022 8:30pm

I wish my job was so easy, with so little to do that I had time to worry about shite like this! Different colour font! FFS! 🤦‍♂️

OP - from what you’ve said about this job being a means to an end you’re clearly not after trying to forge a career so why even worry about it!

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 8:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118825970#Comment_118825970

You know 99% of the time I don’t care. It’s that 1% that snowballs to the point where you think what’s the point. Truth be told I like the job but pettiness if the CEO would drag down the strongest of wills here.

n0minus1 · 23-03-2022 8:50pm

Agree with the OP that something doesn't seem right here.

There's a difference between cascading information from a CEO and someone spinning it like its coming from themselves instead.

Probably just an ego play from the middle manager. Bit sad really on their part

Safe to stay that they aren't fooling anyone, and if they are those people aren't worth worrying about.

Don't worry about it. Focus on yourself

Flinty997 · 23-03-2022 8:53pm

Sometimes in asking the question you realize it's just a symptom of something else that's bothering you. So that's good at least.

California Dreamer · 23-03-2022 9:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826085#Comment_118826085

Oh that’s for sure. But as I said previously, means to an end. 4 years with this company and they have managed to chip away at any incentive to do anything extra in the spirit of goodwill.

macvin · 23-03-2022 9:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822133#Comment_118822133

I think that answer tells us plenty about you.

And by asking "is it legal" in the first post shows a lot of ignorance.

Next you'll be asking if you can complain to the police about it.

Flinty997 · 23-03-2022 9:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118826153#Comment_118826153

I think the point has been made.

Your kicking a dead body in the head at this point.

TooTired123 · 23-03-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822029#Comment_118822029

Is frustrating the same as “illegal” for you?

sam t smith · 06-04-2022 10:45pm

Strange thread.

Did you speak to the Gardaí yet, OP?

farmerval · 31-05-2022 1:04am

This is why middle management is a serious pain in the h**e. CEO or those further up the food instruct you what to do, you have to bring keep staff on board whilst carrying out managements instructions.

Very often senior managers will instruct the next layer down to enforce instructions they would never suggest if they were dealing with the fallout, but if someone else has to listen to the moans and complaints, so what.

One place I worked in the MD would get his knickers in a twist every now and then because there was too much milk in the office fridge on a Friday!! Head of office team ten had to email all office employees warning them that this wasn't to happen again. Gas!!!

31-05-2022 8:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137795#Comment_119137795

Isn’t that one of the tasks of middle management? To be a conduit between the higher ups and the minions. What’s the point in having a dog and barking yourself?

farmerval · 01-06-2022 9:59pm

It's also why lot's of people that are good at their jobs hate it after promotion. Suddenly you go from being good at what you do to managing people, who most likely are not good at doing what you were good at.

Often it's like you've changed career. Lots of people including me don't like or want to manage people.

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