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RTE and EVs



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,725 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    In fairness that is the Motors forum.

    You can expect to get a good few "petrol heads" there.

    I'm not using "petrol head" as a pejorative term by the way, just as a descriptive one.

    A lot of guys there love their ICE cars in way often misunderstood by the ordinary day to day motorist.

    I'd safely guess that most of those would prefer to swerve €3 per litre and divert to an EV if they could afford to buy one.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,725 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    The thing about VW and Hyundai is they still have diesels to shift alongside the EVs so they have a foot in both camps.

    One thing you can say about car sales people is that they do know the market.

    Every day they step out on the forecourt they put their (or their bosses) money on the line.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭crisco10

    I would have thought Hyundai would have been in a great position to discuss, what with them having the best selling ice (Tucson) and best selling EV (Ioniq 5) so far in 2022.

  • Moderators Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight

    I've had 2 friends/people I know asking me about EVs this week. Probably not talked to them in a year or more, but got messages from both asking about EV options. Fuel prices has certainly give a knee-jerk reaction to a few. Pity there's zero EV availability though. Second hand market is showing massive inflation in EVs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,725 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    There is no doubt that Hyundai have all the bases covered with Diesel, Petrol Hybrid and EV on offer.

    But given that the ICE models are outselling the the others I thought they might be walking a fine line in the PR battle to promote EV's.

    But then I suppose Toyota have their problems too not even having an EV to sell until Q3.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭creedp

    Also the 2nd hand market is distorted by the €5k grant. If you could afford a new EV why would you consider a nearly new car because the price differential is minimal. The grant should be tied to the car price and not paid to the individual. Can you imagine if VRT was treated the same way!

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Pretty sure the distortion is down to the waiting times for most EVs at the moment

    People who don't want to wait a year might be willing to pay almost new prices for 2nd hand cars

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭creedp

    I'm sure that's a significant contributory factor, after people cant wait to save money on fuel. However, Id be thinking when a person buys the new EV, the important price to them is list price less grant while when they are selling Im sure it's the list price that's more important!

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭crisco10

    To be fair, entire second market is mad right now. The ice we traded in recently, which we bought 4 years ago, was a whole e1500 less than what we paid. And it was due a timing belt!

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭creedp

    Crazy really. Have new car price margins increased to allow for such favourable trade-ins? If not Im wondering why not given that demand is exceeding supply at this stage.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    Some have.

    Audi for example cancelled some Q4 orders and the new prices have. Even updated.

    Tesla will honor the price at ordering even if it increases mid order.

    I’ve always bought and sold cars on the side but it’s mad now. I bought my current car in July for €48k and I’m getting €57k on trade in now!

    There are many similar stories out there.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭jusmeig

    "The best chnace of large rollout of electrics is the likes of Toyota selling them"

    I would say the best chance are the companies already rolling out and selling millions per year, Tesla, VW. Interviewing Toyota really is insulting, as is their self charging hybrid bs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭creedp

    Sounds like a great deal for you. However I'm not sure why someone would spend nearly €60k on such a car unless they were desperate.... seems like vfm has completely left the stage at this point. Brexit and the lack of decent supply of 2nd hand cars from the UK is really biting now. Time to dig in and try and ride out the storm if at all possible.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    I think now's a good time to switch the roads over to LHD 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭MightyMunster

    You realize that VW aren't the biggest seller of EVs in the world right. Everyone knows GM are leading.

    Oh no wait it's actually Tesla

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,959 ✭✭✭CoBo55

    You can include mechanics in that list too... They haven't a clue about the difference between hybrid, phev or EV

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects

    I'm vegetarian almost 20 years. I still know what local butcher quality is like. Those that didn't move with the times have gone out of business.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You can only sell so many cars with bits falling off to fanboys, the rest of the World buy a decent car

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭MightyMunster

    Who's making these decent cars you talk about? VW with the awful software, not their first terrible software? Hyundai where you can't preheat unless plugged in or see out the rear window in the rain? Audi with 40% of cars recalled for new batteries? You probably meant Toyota, oh actually they didn't sell any last year. BMW with a front only a fanboy could love?

    Maybe the reason car reviewers and owners like the model 3 and think its good is because it is..... You should try one and stop believing FUD sponsored by petrified vested interests who are being left behind and trying to slow a green energy transition. Which unfortunately is paying for the likes of Putin and Saudi to slaughter innocent Ukrainians and Yemenis

    2years in and nothing has fallen off mine yet. My previous VWs on the other hand, new turbos, timing belts, gear box.....

  • Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭eusap

    As with everything in this country follow the Money, Toyota spend a lot on advertising so how better to get them to spend more, give them some free advertising.

    "If you are not paying for the product, you are the product"

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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    The real question is how much Toyota paid RTE ?

    Hybrids were good in 1998 when the MK I prius was released, though not in Europe I don't think, then the MK II arrived in 2004 and it was a good car for the time it was well ahead of anyone but the issue is that today it hasn't changed much, the greatest improvements have come from the engine and aerodynamics. In 2022 they are still very expensive to run compared to EV and due to limitations ( imposed by an oil company who own the patents of the Ni Mh battery ) they still can't use more than 1 Kwh of battery which gives them just 500 watt hrs of storage, compared this to my 77 Kwh of usable storage in the VW id3 Tour 5. The Prius has just 500 Watt hrs, half of 1 Kwh! If they had 20 Kwh of Lithium it could be plugged in and the engine could be a lot smaller like the BMW i3 Rex, this would make the car a lot more efficient greatly reducing fuel bills while still giving people peace of mind regarding charging. The BMW i3 Rex is really a fantastic piece of engineering and the only plug in where the motor and battery are the main source of power, the engine is not in any way mechanically connected to the wheels.

    One big issue for people is recharge times and infrastructure, Irelands EV charging infrastructure is still very poor today and it's one of the reasons I went for the larger 77 Kwh VW id.3, using public infrastructure is rare and will be rare for the length of time I have the car. I'd get around 360-380 Kms this time of year to over 400 I'm betting in Summer. To Be honest, I don't think I'd have a car with less range because the more range I have the less I need to use the public infrastructure.

    But it's very sad to think Toyota are still selling this tech they released in 1998 with no major change, they could do so much better, they could have but they are extremely hesitant putting a lithium battery and a motor in a car today and I wonder is it because they wasted so much money on Hydrogen ?