You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976459#Comment_119976459

What's clear is this; that the threat of censorship comes not "from the right" but from the far-left.

And we are all well aware of the link between authoritarianism and censorship.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976426#Comment_119976426

Musk is a crank who is running Twitter into the ground. It's on course to be the GB News of social media. His word is worthless.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976502#Comment_119976502

Those moose lambs you've been crowing about earlier in the thread - are they a great bunch of lads who don't censor stuff? The taliban morality police are just making sure everyone isn't being censored yeah?

I'm not sure what hill you're trying to die on next but it doesn't look like a tall one.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976529#Comment_119976529

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

That makes absolutely no sense to me at all, and I've read it three times now.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976502#Comment_119976502

Demonstrably not the case.

• Putin jailing people for protesting against his war
• Iran killing people for protesting against regime
• UK government making it more difficult to protest
• US right wing radio stations banning Dixie Chicks for speaking out against war on Terror
• US right wing President calling the press the enemy of the people
• US right wing President gassing protesters
• US right wing President asking governors to use violence on protesters.
• US social media platforms encouraging right wing participation
• US right wing Governors calling for the banning of renowned literature from school curriculum
• US right wing school Boards banning the teaching of accurate history that shows them in a true light

You can repeat your little claims, the evidence proves them as baseless.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976580#Comment_119976580

Even if your list were completely true, it wouldn't justify censorship of right-wing opinions on social media and elsewhere.

In other words, two wrongs don't make a right.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976589#Comment_119976589

Two things for you.

A - Tell me which parts of my list are not true.

B - Edit your previous post that says that the danger of censorship is coming from the left given you now acknowledge at least some of it is coming from the right.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976537#Comment_119976537

Nothing again, OK

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976502#Comment_119976502

This:

that the threat of censorship comes not "from the right" but from the far-left.

Curiously, the quote at the bottom of your posts is by George Orwell, an alias of Eric Blair.

Eric Blair was run out of Spain during the Spanish Civil War as he was part of an far-left militia.

Just sayin', like.

bokale

I don't think that Bari thread shows that Twitter was shadow banning? You could access the tweets by the user? The thread kind of contradicts itself and loosely uses definitions imo.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976589#Comment_119976589

This didn't happen though. This is just the latest attempt to prevent any and all criticism of conservatives.

deirdremf

Today there is a tendency to claim anything to do with personal freedom is "woke" or "leftwing" or even "far left".

But it's not about left and right - this is about authoritarian or non-authoritarian.

For many of us, leftwing and rightwing are about having the wherewithal to make choices - income, resources, the ability to earn an income and to afford a roof over your head.

Questions about personal freedoms - important as they are - come when your belly is full enough, and you can lie down in your own, warm, secure bed every night.

bokale

Also a reminder of Musk's plan

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864

Sounds familiar

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976659#Comment_119976659

As a frequent lurker on twitter myself the personalities mentioned certainly were not absent from my feeds.

Just following the Lincoln Party people meant the algorithm recommended the people them, Patriot Takes etc. all followed for shock value, including Bongino etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976607#Comment_119976607

I didn't agree or disagree with any of your points. I stated that even if they were true, it wouldn't justify censorship of right-wing views, intellectuals, commentators etc. In other words, it's a non-sequitur.

Of course censorship exists elsewhere. You mentioned Putin and Iran, though you could have added Communist China, socialist North Korea, and all the others. The central point remains: censorship, whether from the far-left or the far-right, is an unpardonable transgression against the citizens of those countries.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot.

Had social media companies been shown to have shadow-banned and censored left-wing views and intellectuals and so on, you or your equivalent would be the first in here to argue that the right or far-right had extended its reach too far. And you know what, you'd be right - and I'd agree with you. But when the situation is as it is today, you are engaging in abject denialism and conspiracy theory-level balderdash.

So yes, whilst the threat to freedom of speech can come from all sides, its social media manifestation comes from the opposite of the right.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976767#Comment_119976767

So as far as your opinion goes, we can now take it that all points in my post were correct given you're not questioning the validity of any of them?

This post is definitively untrue so based on what you've now repeated.

Had social media companies been shown to have shadow-banned and censored left-wing views and intellectuals and so on, you or your equivalent would be the first in here to argue that the right or far-right had extended its reach too far. 

You mean like people getting kicked off Truth social for complaining about Trump? Or the aforementioned favourtism shown to right wing accounts, not to mention what was going on at Facebook.

We have already known about all of this, but we haven't made a big deal about it because we've known that there wasn't much complaining about it was going to do. Watching you treat this like Watergate is kind of pitiful to be honest. Not least because you're ignoring everything that has happened in the past and is happening right now with the platform but only want to focus on the views of a couple of people looking at things from a very biased perspective at a narrow point in time.

Given that you want to focus on this point in time, what are your thoughts on Trumps White House asking for content to be removed? Because everything else is private companies/individuals doing their thing, that is the only thing in this whole topic that ventured in to 1A violations.

P.S. Calling North Korea socialist is false. 100%. In every way, from every angle etc, etc etc.

bokale

Truth social was at it too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976813#Comment_119976813

Only a total idiot would use TruthSocial. That's all I'm going to say about that digital neoplasm.

And no, it doesn't mean I'm not questioning the validity of your claims, I'm saying their truth does not prove the conclusion you're trying to draw i.e. non-sequitur.

Social media companies are definitely biased toward what you might call "liberalism". The information that has come to light on Twitter is nothing new. In practice we've known about this for months, if not years. Many make the same claim about Meta. I happen to agree with that, too.

Trump has certainly engaged in attempts to stifle free speech. I don't support Donald Trump, and he's not the US President. I'm not seeing the relevance?

Look, you can continue to deny that censorship has been disproportionately applied to right-wing figures and opinions. That's your freedom of speech and I wouldn't take that away from you, either. But we have to follow the evidence where it leads, and the evidence we've anecdotally received over the past number of years has been shown to align with the evidence that Elon Musk and his team have managed to unearth.

That settles the issue as far as I'm concerned. You can retreat into conspiracy theories and what his ex-wife said in some Tweets, but the rest of us have assessed the evidence for ourselves and come to a very different, much more objective conclusion.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119976847#Comment_119976847

Social media companies are definitely biased toward what you might call "liberalism".

Only to the extent that most users are liberally minded as that is the common human trait we have seen throughout human societies for as far back as we have records and we can assume before that also or we simply wouldn't be here.

And no, it doesn't mean I'm not questioning the validity of your claims

You haven't questioned the validity of my claims.

Look, you can continue to deny that censorship has been disproportionately applied to right-wing figures and opinions.

Because it hasn't.

I'm not seeing the relevance?

Maybe a discussion on the associated behaviours and the dangers that come from them to society isn't the best place for you if you don't see the relevance in including the most recent right wing US President and possible next GOP candidate in the conversation.

That settles the issue as far as I'm concerned. You can retreat into conspiracy theories and what his ex-wife said in some Tweets, but the rest of us have assessed the evidence for ourselves and come to a very different, much more objective conclusion.

Why is your evidence of what happened Twitter to be treated as Gospel, but mine is Conspiracy Theory? Also, who are 'the rest of us' and who appointed you to talk for a group of people? Even within this thread, on this topic, you're in the minority.

Tell me how

For George Orwell fans. If we actually have any here.

Today, from Russia.

Sounds very much like '“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” doesn't it?

Also sounds to me like this quote from TFG. '"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

Tell me how

This lady is supposedly going to be a big player within the GOP House system in the next term.

https://twitter.com/ZaleskiLuke/status/1601046593150455808

And no doubt still some people will claim that he should be doing more to appeal to them...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977657#Comment_119977657

How does that hysterical woman - probably malnourished, definitely dehydrated - prove the claim pregnant in the title of this thread?

Or are we to post any random nonsense, here and there, just because we don't like anyone with any remotely right of centre opinions / perspective?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977680#Comment_119977680

It as valid as the cherrypicked examples you trot out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977785#Comment_119977785

Not really.

The Democrats dominated in the Midterms compared to what was expected.

Some hysterical woman shouting from the side-lines, well, who takes these idiots seriously?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977680#Comment_119977680

Link

In June, I asked Greene about reports I had heard that McCarthy had vowed to award her plum committee assignments in exchange for her support for his bid as House speaker. ”

This lady wanted Trump to use Martial law to try to hold on to power, she has espoused Qanon conspiracies and has made antisemitic and anti-muslim comments publicly and now she is likely going to end up in influential positions within House Committees.

You're delusional if you think she doesn't warrant being mentioned in a thread about right wing dangers. Or is that going to be your new approach? Express outrage at everything rather than admit what is happening?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977835#Comment_119977835

Look, I don't support her.

What more do you want me to say?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977803#Comment_119977803

Love how day by day you call all the people who the Left have issues with things like 'basement dwelling nutjobs' and now a 'hysterical woman' and yet swear blindly at the same time that the left are the ones who are causing the problems.

You're clearly seeing there is no defense for many on the right, I'm not buying that they don't appeal to you however. You spend way too much time trying to point the finger in other directions to be believed in that respect.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977861#Comment_119977861

I'm more than willing to say when the right go too far.

Can you say the same of the left?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977848#Comment_119977848

I don't want you to say anything, I wish you said nothing in fact. But I can respond to whatever spin you try to put on things here as and when I want to.

You've spent as much of your time on here deflecting from all these characters, do you have an issue with other people being reminded of that?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119977868#Comment_119977868

BS.

I've been watching you deflect, defend, distract against a focus being put on the actions of the right, across your various accounts. I don't care whether you acknowledge this or not. Either continue to take part in the discussion, or don't. I don't care either way, but stop trying to make yourself the focus so you can then complain that people are talking about you.

At least, you're on the record (for now) as saying MTG is not worth listening to. I am looking forward to you admonishing the GOP when she influences policy.