You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789170#Comment_118789170

I don't know if you are implying that I am allowing myself to be influenced by particular media. Of course I deny it, (doesn't everyone) but I can say that I read and listen to a wide range of voices and am more than capable of cross referencing opinions with real world facts.

There is no dispute that most of the people who are avidly against Russia's actions have also a history of being against conflict in general and US actions in particular. This has been used by others to suggest that these people are therfore on Putin's side because they have in the past denounced the actions of Nato or the US military.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789248#Comment_118789248

Cool take. Who said it?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789241#Comment_118789241

Again, we haven't seen any of this 'lets no put people in to boxes' when the Left were being targeted both individually and as a group for a range of largely small scale, inconsequential (in the greater scheme of things) on a vast array of platforms and by everyone from anonymous online accounts to sitting Presidents of the US.

So I strongly refute the attempts to 'both sides' this. As the thread title says, the motivations of one particular group have been significantly more negatively impactful than the other.

And the focus being as it was, was intentional and problematic.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789241#Comment_118789241

You put it a lot better than I did. Zero nuance is a better way to phrase it. All the OP’s terminology is basically CNN v FOX stuff. And the OP has picked a ‘side’. Both awful in my opinion all they do is seem to create divisions in America.

They seem to tie the serious or mundane through constant prisms of ‘left v right’.

And to my eyes anyway the OP is a product of this media.Must be hard to avoid over there. Spilled over even on boards.ie along with all the American terminology like ‘woke’ ‘triggered’ etc.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789293#Comment_118789293

So first it was 'why are we talking about this in Ireland'.

Then it was 'oh he is blinded by the media as he is in the US'.

Both attempts to ignore the points made. Beats having to consider them I suppose. Hope you bring the same energy to threads like the 'wokism of the day thread' and all the other ones specifically started to target left ideals or individuals. That's the whole point of this thread, people are ignoring the reality of dangerous practices to put their efforts in to much less significant concerns. And that is problematic.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789259#Comment_118789259

Ella Fitzgerald, good singer mind.

you might also like

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everybody-Wrong-But-Me-Beginners/dp/B08QRYT1RJ

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789279#Comment_118789279

How were "the left" being targeted both individually and as a group for a range of small scale things? And I'm assuming you feel that this targeting was not justified. Can you elaborate as to why it was unfair to target them for their transgressions? And why do you blame the "far right" for this?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789335#Comment_118789335

Check out Carol Cadwalladr's experience and come back to me.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789418#Comment_118789418

No.

Post your relevant arguments here or go home.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789325#Comment_118789325

I view ‘Wokism of the day thread ‘. As another pointless Americanised Thread that as seeped into boards. Silly ‘studenty’ type stuff would not even look at it never mind post in it. Your stuff on this thread is on the other end of the spectrum which is just as bad.

But it is eye opening to me that you jump to ‘the wokism of the day’ thread and assume I have any interest in it. I don’t, to me it is just a further Americanised encroachment on boards.ie. The other half of the American coin you seem to be rallying against.

But thankfully America does not = ‘the world’. And either half of an American political world view which thinks it is ‘the world’ are just annoying to me.

Whether they call themselves ‘left or right’ is irrelevant to me. They don’t even have nice chocolate and have that annoying sales tax. Not as great a place as it likes to pretend. Even on that level.

What is relevant to me is how the Irish nation manages to navigate around the choppy waters of ‘big boy’ global politics. Basically to play global powers off each other in the hope of getting the best deals possible for Ireland.

Irish governments are well versed at that. Wheeling and dealing. Optics.

When I think of global politics. I don’t think in terms of American definitions of ‘left or right’. which do not apply in Irish politics. The framing in your definition of ‘left v right’ are American defined ones. Vastly different to what anyone in Ireland would call ‘left or right’.

In contrast to you, I think in terms of Ireland constantly keeping its options open with foreign trade even beyond the EU. The American ‘left and right’ blather is nonsense to me.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789429#Comment_118789429

Lol. OK then, stay oblivious, or at least pretend to be. Explains a lot.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789442#Comment_118789442

It's not all about America, no one is pretending it is.

I already pointed to the UK and the EU and ways they have been destabilized because of ambivalence towards the risks from people with right wing ideals, if not out right support for them.

And the climate and covid conversations both heavily influenced by similar ideals are both of course global issues.

So much as you want to shut thus down by painting it to be an American only topic, that isn't the case.

P.s. there is no significance to me referring to the wokism thread, it's one that came to mind, out of many.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789418#Comment_118789418

Her experience of fleecing mugs for funds to fight a court case when she knew hadnt a leg to stand on?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789530#Comment_118789530

'hadn't a leg to stand on'

Must be why some of the things she was being sued in court for were withdrawn and why the girlfriend of the former Leave.EU partner of the guy who is suing her, herself an ardent Brexiteer, described the man suing her as 'an agent of influence of the Russian state'.

Interesting that someone literally having to crowdfund to defend themselves from being sued by this man is seeing as fleecing mugs and elsewhere someone who claims to be one of the worlds wealthiest business men asking for money for a private jet is somehow supposed to be seen as being patriotic. That's a microcosm of the issue with right wing narratives and how messed up they are.

joe40

I think I can fully agree with the OP if I am reading his post correctly. There is plenty to be negative about in relation to some left leaning ideas and the sillier aspects of " Woke culture" (hate that term though)

However the main problems facing society include things like climate change, Russian aggression, distrust of Scientific opinion, COVID denial and anti vax sentiment, been prime examples are largely driven by right wing agendas.

Brexit was a prime example where large numbers were hoodwinked into thinking it would be a pain free transition by largely right leaning press. I have no problem with people supporting Brexit it was the demonstrable lies the pro Brexit side got away with is galling.

Tell me how

This is some of what is going on in the US.

Across the US, Republican legislatures have introduced more than 200 bills aimed at reducing local control over elections and restrict voting access, according to the States United Democracy Center. All of it is aimed at ensuring that Republicans will have control over voting and elections rules, in support of Donald Trump’s false claims of widespread voter fraud in 2020.

........

The turn of events in Spalding county might have come as a shock to locals – a majority Democratic election board, with three Black women, becoming majority Republican, with two white men and another of Cherokee descent, virtually overnight – but Spalding county is no outlier. In at least five other Georgia counties, local election authorities have been restructured in favor of Republicans. It’s all part of the same story: the nationwide push to place GOP officials in positions of authority over elections.

The above article was published on January 30th.

This is what Fox were focused on, round the same time, this from January 27th.

This isn't an accident, it is deliberately riling people up against supposed Left Agendas (no one on the left had anything to do with Minnie Mouses clothing) so that they discount emerging news like what is happening on electoral boards and it is ultimately making the world a more dangerous place.

Georgia was key in Trump being defeated and Trumps own former National Security Advisor, John Bolton, himself said that if Trump had been returned, he would have pulled the US out of NATO and as such I think we'd be looking at an even more ominous situation in the Ukraine than what is there right now. The GOP are making sure that as much as they can, that what happened in Georgia in 2020 will not happen again. And too many people are willing to give them a pass on this.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789675#Comment_118789675

Yep. That's pretty much it.

And a slight side point is that aside from the difference in ideologies, and their impacts, the use of keeping left wing ideals in the conversation as being something to be guarded against is a deliberate ploy.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789500#Comment_118789500

There was significant. As it is what you would do if having a political debate with a yank. The implication being if you ‘do not agree with ME’ you agree with xyz . Shoehorning Brexit as comparable to American politics is lazy IMO. There are a lot more historical reasons that have nothing to do with American notions of left v right.

Brexit was bubbling for years Britain did not as much as join the EU they fell into it via the back door. Plus EC/EU court decisions demonstrate time and time again that the UK did not view itself as part of the ‘European project’.

I would however agree with you that Britain was hoodwinked into leaving. It was brought down to base issues the ordinary man on the street could understand. At the expense of difficult to understand benefits of EU membership.

You have already mentioned green climate issues a few times as if the utopian ideal is the answer, But Germany went whole hog that route destruction of nuclear plants in favour of gas. Now that move has backfired spectacularly with their dependence on gas from Russia. And the shelving of the Nord 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany.

In general going Green sounds good on paper. But besides needing to be ‘well heeled’ to go Green in general. Geopolitics and geographical location also dictates how successfully green a country can be. Idealism does not keep people warm.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789089#Comment_118789089

Wait a minute, is @Tell me how really using that clown from North Carolina as some example of a Far Right threat who was concealing weapons in his wheelchair? You actually believed him @Tell me how?

This is a guy that has lied about everything from his car crash, to his military service, to his marriage for Christ's sake.

He's a laughing stock that will likely be out at the next election.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789786#Comment_118789786

I'm not shoehorning Brexit in to anything, again, this is not an American only discussion. The reason Brexit was bubbling for years have a lot to do with the protagonists who have always had the right wing mindset that I am talking about. Nigel Farage being at the front of the queue of these people. The links between Trumps victory in 2016, and the outcome of the Brexit referendum connect very clearly with Russian influence. That can no longer be ignored.

The green situation is pretty clear, there are problems coming, and doing more of the same is exacerbating that.

Some people are of the lets just plough on and then be reactive as we need to be, I believe we need to be proactive so as to hopefully minimise impact, and to avoid the massive suffering and conflict that will arise if the problem gets to the point of being insurmountable or irreversible.

Avoiding having a meaningful conversation with respect to action because of the real problems that do have to be overcome, is close to being the worst approach.

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789429#Comment_118789429

Agreed.

What are you even accusing the right of exactly OP?

Are you accusing them of trying to take over the world in some new world order?

Why are they doing this?

Who is the leader?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789824#Comment_118789824

I'm not using him as anything, I merely showed a mindset that is accepted within the right wing right now.

Someone who brags about using his wheelchair to bring guns to what turned out to be an insurrection and who in the midst of the war in Ukraine, has called Zelensky a thug and expressed understanding for Putin. This is what the Republican party has allowed itself to become. And I say that about a party which also recently gave passes to people who spoke at a white supremacy conference.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789866#Comment_118789866

I'm accussing them of make the world a more dangerous place in which millions of people have to suffer. They are doing this for their own power and agendas and to protect the version of life that they are comfortable with even if it means this suffering and subjugation of others.

Why does there have to be a leader? There are several influential figures. Putin, Rupert Murdoch, Christian Chandler, Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage, Angelos Frangopoulos, Boris Johnson, Jacobs Rees Mogg, Donald Trump, Marine LePen, Charles Koch, Viktor Orban, Bolsanaro, Lukaschenko, Tucker Carlson, Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud and many many more I'm sure.

Is all this a surprise to you?

Do you think there has to be collective group with an appointed leader and strategies for anything I'm saying to be the case?

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789860#Comment_118789860

So when all is said and done, what is your solution/solutions?

Tell me how

This from today in the House of Commons.

https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1503777104055484427

Arron Banks, for those who have failed to connect the dots, is the man who is suing Carol Cadwalladr because she correctly identified him as being problematic with respect to Brexit.

Nice little earner for Farage, even though not all that is from RT, sure he can be trusted to be unbiased on his nightly show on GB News. As I pointed out last night, this is why he has tried to deflect attention on to the topic of climate change and trying to prevent anything meaningful happening there. He knows he will find welcoming ears for that argument and then they are likely to defacto defend him on the topic of Russia.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789669#Comment_118789669

Crowdfunded her defence then stood up in court and repeatedly admitted that there was no evidence to back up her claims and was walloped for costs, but sure, it wasn't her money so why would she care.

Absolute mugs 😂

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789987#Comment_118789987

Call out the people who are causing damage to democratic processes, governance and the intent to work towards a prosperous secure planet for as many as possible.

Don't laugh them off as being 'good for ratings', entertaining, just calling it as they see it or anything else. If you're going to get mad at people supposedly doing damage to the world, get mad at the right people. What else can anyone do?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789995#Comment_118789995

'no evidence to back up her claims'

Check the post immediately before yours, it's on the record in the house of commons now. Still think she is the problem here?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789860#Comment_118789860

I know people from England. Many simply do not see themselves as European. They feel closer ties with the Commonwealth. Now not all of those are ‘Nigel Farage’ types. Which is what you are trying to portray. Many are very reasonable people. In fact it was ironically once put to me by an English person. ‘Why is Ireland in the EU? When it loses sovereignty.’ Well before Brexit.

Looking at the 1971 vote which was a tense one.

’The Commons last night voted for entry into Europe by 356 votes to 244, a majority of 112’

‘https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/house-of-commons-approve-uk-entry-into-europe-archive-1971

And subsequent British attitudes to the European Commisson. It seems to me Britain was always the reluctant guest at the party. And as the EU moved more towards a political movement more than an economic one. I understand how their angst increased.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786581#Comment_118786581

But, the 'dark forces' I am referring to in my OP are those who have ignored these acts and tell us that the 'right are defenders of free speech' when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

When free speech rallies are being held by the likes of Tommy Robinson and Geert Vilders you certainly need to back up that statement. To give you an example closer to home think why is it people like Dave Rubin are the only ones holding such rallies. Can you point to one free speech rally from the left?

Try google free speech rally and you’ll see how publication after publication smears any such rally as ‘right wing’. Disagreement is allowed within the right wing, but not within the left wing. What kind of things have you previously called Joe Manchin?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790031#Comment_118790031

It almost seems as if the OP thinks only ‘the left’ are open to robust debate and discussion. Meanwhile the ‘evil dark forces’ of ‘the right’ are all one homogenous group. With little or no ‘shades of right’. Such a view seems to be very Star Wars/Star Trek cartoonist caricatures.

I will admit when I was younger I was an idealist and viewed any kind of conservatism as ‘backward’. But as I got older I learned to appreciate that politics is much more nuanced. Someone could be conservative on one issue but not on another. It is why there is such a thing as the floating voter.

The OP seems unshakable in their belief that the evil right are to blame for all the worlds ills. There is nothing in between. Which is all very ironic considering once upon a time Putin along with Russia were considered as far left as you could go. If any Irish politician was ever found to have visited ‘the reds’ serious questions were asked back home.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790003#Comment_118790003

It went to court, where established facts matter and she was blown out of the water, all her allegations were nothing but guff and spoofery.

You can say anything you like in the HOC, it's called Parliamentary privilege. Perhaps you heard of it? 😂

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790093#Comment_118790093

Again with the 'all the worlds ills'.

You claim to know what it is I think and you can't even repeat what it is I am saying, maybe slow down a tad and have a think about what I've said before presuming or actually wishing I said something else that is easier for you to challenge.

There was no need for you to give us your own life's evolution with respect to politics like it included some sort of moment of revelation, I haven't referred to you specifically and yet it seems as if you feel I did as if I touched a nerve with respect to your personal position. If you truly understood politics, you would know that Putin was never considered as far left as you could go. He has always fallen under the category of a dictator with personal motivations and never displayed any sort of benevolence towards the people of Russia.

You are correct about the existence of floating voters, that has always been the case, and yet if you stopped to think about it long enough, you would see how recent significant elections say there is something going on and that people do not seem to be voting based on the performance of the candidates. Trump saw his vote count increase after 4 years of a wildly ineffectual and damaging Presidency which culminated in his disastrous management of Covid, inflaming of the BLM conversation and his undermining of election integrity. And this happened because he and his friends in the media (his very close friends in particular) created a false flag where the enemy was this 'radical socialist left' of which there is zero real world evidence of in the US, and they nearly pulled it off.

Similar happened in the UK with Johnson being handed an 80 seat majority despite the disclosure of the falsehoods of Brexit, his own ineptitude and self-serving motivations and again a media diverting focus from these realities. (That's not ignoring Labours ineptitude in presenting an alternative which was also a factor that led to the final scale of the majority)

Just to go back to your opening statement about my presumed assumption that 'only the left are open to robust debate and discussion.' Again, they're your words, not mine. But I would point out the examples throughout the recent years of right wing influencers directly expressing no interest in the views of medical scientists in relation to dealing with Covid, Trumps history of wanting to claim that he knows more than anyone about anything and Michael Gove saying that people had had enough of experts. And as for the open and robust debate and discussion about the climate situation, where is that among right wing ideologies?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790031#Comment_118790031

They're not free speech rallies, they are hate rallies trying to get a pass by claiming it's free speech. What do you think about the banning of various books from schools in the US? Is that evidence of free speech? Or how about Putin banning his opponents from holding rallies? Is that free speech? How about when Trump tried to ban a journalist from the White House Press room and expressed a desire to be able to control the media? Free speech again I presume.

Disagreement is allowed within the right wing

Are you for real? How has any member of congress who voted to hold Trump accountable for the actions they said he was responsible for been treated?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790138#Comment_118790138

Are you aware the case only concluded being heard in January and a judgement has yet to be announced?

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791648#Comment_118791648

Just look how he treated John McCain after he voted to save Obamacare.

AllForIt

Anyone who subscribes to Left or Right is a problem imo.

A binary idea that looks at the other side as their arch enemy.

I wouldn't even call myself a 'centrist' because it put's me on that left/right spectrum. I take every issue as I see it.

The worst people are those who think they are so right, there is no reason to even tolerate a discussion on any topic. And that could be anyone on the Left or Right, but that is IS far more coming the Left these days.

If boards existed in the 80's and i was an adult, I'd be arguing here against right-wing conservatives, who in Ireland typicality would be Catholics. I hated religion and religious people as a teen.

I never though 40 years later I'd be mostly arguing against the Left. But I'm not doing it as a 'righty'.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791600#Comment_118791600

This is really blinkered stuff. You need to look back objectively at what you are saying. No touching of nerves. I am just trying to gently say you should really reevaluate your position. As for ‘right wing’ ideology as you would term it I immediately think of C Na G. Look how they elvolved into a middle of the road party. If possible I suggest you converse face to face with someone with not as ‘black and white’ views as yourself. It would do you good I think. Get away from the bubble in your mind.

Thinking anything but left wing is = evil - is not a healthy or balanced attitude to have, honestly.

In real life political people of all hues eventually have to work together to some extent. Compromise by committee etc. Consensus at some stage.

Being so dogmatic and self righteous is never healthy. You look for extremes rather than nuance. Perhaps coloured by your time in America I assume?

I know you are not the type to bend - even a little ! In any of your viewpoints. But I suggest you try and mature your political opinions a bit. Life is about growth development etc. You would not make a good politician IMO.

Because you have IMO an unsophisticated teenage ‘black or white’ type viewpoint. Life is full of grey. Grey is what I see as political glue. Where the middle ground find appeal.

It is only the realm fantasy where only one viewpoint is the correct one. It is the height of arrogance and as history has proven again and again - dangerous. No matter what ideology a person starts from.

As another poster pointed out you sound like the ideological worst of the opposite end of those you seem to be in fear of. 100% on the dogmatic scale in my opinion.

In any successful political life there is compromise and evolution. It is how successful political people get broad appeal. The niche vote only goes so far.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791781#Comment_118791781

You clearly assume way too much.

To make it clear as to my own experience in engaging with people from various groups, I've said this before, and really don't need to defend my position, but I've nothing to hide.

As you know, I currently live in the US. Here, I am good friends with a number of conservatives, including one who worked for a US senator, although they typically weren't in direct contact with them. We discuss politics frequently. I'm casual 'friends' with a former cop who is very anti anything Liberal. In my friends back in Ireland, there are a couple who hold views similar to yourself. I'm also friends here with a Russian whose young family is still in Russia. He too is conservative in nature and was a Trump fan of sorts. From my time in the UK, I have a Muslim friend of Indian heritage and a number of Asian friends from various backgrounds. So I'm more than comfortable with saying that I feel I have lived far from a blinkered existence.

When it comes to News media, I've watched way more Fox than CNN, NBC or what have you though no longer really watch any television.

You are consistently trying to make this about me, that's fine, I'm more than happy to defend my own position, but shouldn't have to repeat it when I've said it already more than once.

With that out of the way, for what is I think the 3rd time to you directly, I have never expressed the position that anything non-left wing is evil. Stop trying to give life to that strawman so you can pretend to kick it to death.

Maybe instead of looking at yourself, as some perceived exemplar, you should look at the world around you and see what is going on within it.

The evidence is there, don't ignore it. Or try to deflect from it.

You are posting like you dropped in to the middle of the thread and don't know what it is what was said in the OP, I suggest you read it again or maybe post 116 is a succinct summary that might work for you.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791720#Comment_118791720

So don't subscribe to it, just look at the origins of the problems in Russia, in relation to Brexit, with respect to dealing with pandemics or the climate and ask yourself who is helping or hurting in each situation.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791843#Comment_118791843

What has so called 'Russian Interference' done for Russia, in respect of Brexit. Nothing whatsoever is the answer, if it was ever a thing at all. The UK is standing in full solidarity with the EU against Russia and is in fact leading the way in terms of sanctions. You see, in serious matters the UK leaving the EU has in fact made no difference at all.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1503898848883662852

Chris Bryant is by far the Labour party's most loathsome MP. Can't stand him. He's full of BS fed to him by that discredited Carole 'codswallop' Cadwalladr.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791840#Comment_118791840

I read the OP it is why I am posting. It is written in condescending tone of religious fervour. Extremely dogmatic. I would compare it to many Vegans who post on boards.ie. It has the same level of blinkered zeal, religious fervour and condescending tone.

I still think your mind has been warped from your time in America. CNN AND FOX are parodies of themselves. I would stop watching those for a start if I were you. Pointless output more worried about ratings.

Your whole argument seems to be an extrapolation based on American politics. And looking for anything that even could equate to it worldwide. Ignoring other variables such as history, geopolitics and culture. To me there is a real whiff of ‘America knows best’ argument about your posts.

If America does xyz that means other countries do xyz. And you look for parallels while framing them from American context.

You may think American is no1 and the centre of the world. But thankfully it is not. There are many other variables in other countries that America simply does not have. Right from geopolitics to just even cultural.

You are trying to force your argument with American framing on Irish people for instance. A vastly different sort of politics than America will ever have. PR the two and a half party system.

And not only that the framing is narrow even in that American context. Dismissing ‘the right’. Many of those on ‘the left’ in your American framing. Would be viewed as on ‘the right’ in Irish politics.

So much so I would argue if many of ‘the left’ in America were transplanted to the Dail. They would have to set up their own party on ‘the right’.

As Irish politics does not have any credible ‘the right’.

The sense I get from your posts is what I have experienced with some vocal American relations.

’Well in America we xyz why don’t you abc in Ireland?’

Basically you think global politics is aping America. And think the globe should follow what you believe in. Completely disregarding the unique culture and heritage other countries/regions have outside your American framing. I think it is the height of arrogance and almost colonial / imperialist in mindset. Except your chosen side is the American definition of ‘the left’.

bureau2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782836#Comment_118782836

Joe who?

😀

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792005#Comment_118792005

Bryant is a wretched little man, the other week he was advocated revoking UK citizenship to dual citizens who refused to renounce Russia .

He obviously supported the Iraq war and took the piss when it came to MP expenses.

Farage is a berk also tbf, so I dunno "let them fight " etc.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793601#Comment_118793601

The sense I get from your posts is that you are deliberately misconstruing what I've said, I've clearly and repeatedly referenced Brexit, Covid and the climate conversation as being influenced by this mindset. All these are relevant to people in Ireland. And we already observe and discuss in detail events in the US.

I also said that I no longer watch cable news TV, and haven't for at least 5 years, (obviously I see snippets here and there but no longer have access to turn it on immediately). You have no idea how long I have been in the US but suffice to say it is less time than I have been posting on Boards, and is inside the timeframe since I stopped having access to constant cable news. And yet you insist that that is why I have a particular view.

And stop with this nonsense of me trying to force my framing on Irish people. We have countless threads on here about issues outside of Ireland, many of the conversations on here that touch on the right wing ideologies are started by people referring to events in the US or elsewhere outside Ireland, do you think that is trying to force a view on Irish people? Was the thread on multiculturalism in Sweden specifically relevant to Ireland moreso than anything that I have discussed here? Or how about events with migrants in European cities? The fact that you think I am doing this and are apparently ok with threads on the other topics is exactly why I felt it was appropriate to put this thread on here.

I didn't say global politics is aping America, I said there are similarities in politics around the world with events in the US. Do you see the difference?

You are correct, Irish politics does not have a credible 'the right' and lets hope it stays that way. And that doesn't mean I want only a Left wing government either, Ireland doesn't have that either. We did have a thread on here not so long ago saying that we need a stronger right wing viewpoint in Irish politics so, not that I need it, I think that is more than enough to talk about the issues with that mindset.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794345#Comment_118794345

No I haven’t. I had you tapped straight away mentioning how your OP screamed Americanism and American framing. Then you said you live in America! You are trying to shoehorn global politics and your own political biases into this narrow American framing IMO. So you can feel good about yourself.

To do so you have to manage to frame it in a way where only people who think like you are correct. The righteous people.

Your posts immediately looked like something from the Huff Post or NY times ‘opinion piece’ to me. Same vibe.

For example NY Times - ‘How Brexit is worse than Trump’ - opinion piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/opinion/letters/brexit-trump.amp.html

Same style as yourself giving things an American framing.

Another NY times opinion piece - ‘How woke became an insult’

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/opinion/woke-politically-correct.amp.html

Same vibe again. I would never use the word ‘Woke’ by the way pure Americanism.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794463#Comment_118794463

You had me 'tapped straight away' 😁 I see you're influenced by american terminology yourself. As I said, I'm posting on Boards since 2014, way before I came to US so you might want to stick to the day job before becoming an online detective.

What would you think if I dug out some 4Chan posts and suggested the were the same as the frequent non-woke type threads we see on here frequently?

All of the above aside, again, you're focused on me, which is fine, I get it, shoot the messenger and all that. But the point from the OP still stands, right wing ideology is currently, and has been for several years, much more likely to generate ideals that are bad for society if not outright disastrous. The focus on pro-nouns and what bathrooms people use has been a deliberate deflection tactic.

Tell me how

This man is seeking the Republican Nomination to run for Senate in Georgia and has been endorsed by Trump and Mitch McConnell.

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1503797768510480397

This mindset should be nowhere near such a pivotal role in a country's political system over 20 years in to the 21st century, and yet, it could well be if he wins the GOP nomination and given what the party is doing to electoral boards in the state.

We know listening to science was something many people push back against, we saw just how big an issue that was with how Covid played out (and is playing out) whether it is in matters healthcare or environmental, having someone who questions whether or not evolution is real can't be a good thing.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794964#Comment_118794964

Again I don’t use 4chan that again to me is an American framing. You already tried to claim I should go back to posting on the ‘wokism of the day’ thread. When the truth is not only do I not read it I don’t post in it. Anything that is geared towards ‘woke’ in the positive or the pejorative I avoid like the plague. Normally = American tone and argument used by Irish people who ape America. Which annoys me. I find it odd.

It was the self righteous nature of the OP that drew me to it.

Implicit in your argument and line of thought seems to be if you are not with ‘us’ your American definition of ‘the left’. You must therefore be against ‘us’ and of ‘the right’.

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Retirning to what you disparagingly refer to as ‘online detective work’

Your tone in your OP gave it away. I was influenced by a few things in your OP.

1) The Americanisms as you say

2) The obviously implied American type framing ‘the right’ ‘the left’

3) Your complete dismissal of all other opinions except those on ‘the left’. Real dogmatic nothing in between and no nuance. Real sense of self righteous arrogance about that as I have said.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118783753#Comment_118783753

Yes

If you believe in conspiracy theories