You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341977#Comment_120341977

The far right are harassing librarians around Ireland to ban lgbt books

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/juno-dawson-books-will-not-be-removed-from-dublin-libraries-after-complaints-about-sexualised-content-42323296.html

https://gcn.ie/dublin-libraries-keep-books-trans-author-attempts-remove/

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342024#Comment_120342024

He works for the BBC and has to be impartial and signed a specific code of conduct.

Why does he given he doesn't work for the BBC on political matters, he didn't tweet about the BBC, and he tweeted on a non-BBC platform.

This should be literally the definition of free speech.

Also, why should Lineker be held to such a standard when people like Andrew Neil, Laura Keunnsberg, Alan Sugar, Jermey Clarkson and Fiona Bruce are not? Three of these (even though Neil and Clarkson no longer work there) actually worked on political topics and yet do not behave in an impartial manner.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341713#Comment_120341713

We’re life long MOTD fans here (nearly 50 years) and coincidentally, for us, Gary Alan Rio and Wrighty had run their course around 2 seasons ago.

It’s time for fresh meat in those seats. Off you go Gary!! Tweet whatever you like now! You’re free as a bird!!

Tell me how

Ian Wright and Alan Shearer already have refused to do MoTD tomorrow in solidarity with Lineker.

Decisions that have been met with overwhelming support online. BBC clearly being seen as in the wrong here.

Surprising thing is that they made such a mess of this. Even Andrew Marr on his LBC show today eviscerated their handling of the matter.

Billy Mays

Remember that time Alan Sugar was told to take a step back from presenting The Apprentice for criticising striking rail workers on Twitter?

Me neither 🤷‍♂️

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342135#Comment_120342135

Because Lineker is a proponent of cancel culture, he is forever virtue signalling.

You live by the sword so you therefore die by the sword.

BBC is a laughing stock, its been bowing down at the altar of wokery for far too long Im afraid.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342190#Comment_120342190

The fc8k does this even mean?

Can you explain what it is you are trying to say?

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342150#Comment_120342150

This is a real opportunity for the BBC now, they should go ahead and broadcast the show without any presenters and trial it for the rest of the season.

See what the reaction is like and if it's positive (and I suspect it might be ) then they can continue in the future with no presenters or pundits for MOTD and save themselves a good deal of money.

I doubt anybody tuned in because any of those 3 (or any other pundits they have) were part of the show.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342345#Comment_120342345

Definitely would be a good tactic from the BBC. And why stop at just MoTD.

No analysts, no commentators, no news readers, no weather presenters.

Just a rotating screen of news topics and updates ala Euronews 24 at 3:00am in the morning.

I'd say you're on to something, sure to be popular with the public.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342419#Comment_120342419

Well I only suggested they do this for MOTD as generally sports pundits don't make much difference to people's enjoyment of the sport, but maybe your right maybe trimming some of the fat in other areas might help the BBC aswell. BBC news has cut back on the number of presenters on it's 24 news channel and it's had no effect on anything for them and they've managed to save money

MOTD often isn't even in the top 50 programmes in the UK anymore that's how irrelevant it is these days so what benefit is gary lineker, Ian wright etc really providing when the viewership of the programme they are involved with has collapsed over the past 15 years.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342150#Comment_120342150

It’s just as well, and totally obvious, that the opinions of the vast majority of people are not represented “on line”.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342879#Comment_120342879

This the famous silent majority we keep hearing about?

Very convenient to have this thing that the more you don't hear from them apparently the more they represent isn't it.

It's an oven ready excuse for opinions held by a few as they claim to speak for many.

Can you tell us how it's 'totally obvious' what metric have you in mind when you say this?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342094#Comment_120342094

The books are explicitly pornographic 

What all of them?

No, quite a lot of them just acknowledge the very existence of gay people and gay love. That seems to make some people very uncomfortable though.

And that's not even mentioning the entire category of books that were banned for having black main characters and mentioning racism - cos you know that made some people especially uncomfortable and furiously angry.

For the record I think the censuring of Roald Dahl's works is absolutely ridiculous. I don't see though how people can scoff at others who are pearl clutching about the use of the word "fat" but then get indignant themselves that a different book mentions the fact that black people have historically faced a lot of diversity in the USA or that some girls happen to fall in love with girls.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343099#Comment_120343099

No. What I’m saying to you is that only a very small % of the population post their political opinions on SM.

23% of Americans use twitter for example.

Did you think SM posts were representative of the general public?

Do you really believe that most people think that millions of Albanian men should be allowed to live in the UK?

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341683#Comment_120341683

I didn't defended them neither I said they weren't all bad. But it's interesting that only the nazis bother you, but the communists are alright, right?

Nosler

Gary Lineker was a footballer. It hardly makes him an expert on the asylum process....

I would be OK with him giving his opinion if other viewpoints were allowed on the BBC. However time after time anyone presenting an opinion that is critical of immigration is hounded off the BBC.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343285#Comment_120343285

Which Nazis fo you admire if they weren't all bad? What do you admire about them?

francois

Weird how the free speech hams are suddenly in favour of censorship. Some double standards on sho from the BBC, no one complained when Alan Sugar tweeted Boris Johnson for PM.

Seems the PFA has advised players to boycott post match interviews as well. About time there was a reckoning at the BBC, Richard Sharp, chairman of the board is a Tory donor, Question Time's Bruce's husband a prominent Tory, Robbie Gibb, one of GBeebies founders, back on the board of governors, etc

BruteStock

@Brussels Sprout

Here, this is what you want adults to give to children. And not only that, you want parents to have no say in the matter. Its pornographic material. I could post the images from these books but then I would be threadbanned..

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sheri82731026/status/1633627538009255938

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343906#Comment_120343906

What book is that, and which school is sharing it with children? Not to be pedantic, but 'just because it's on twitter doesn't mean it's true.'

Do you agree with the banning of math books too? They're not pornographic as far as I recall, mostly pretty boring.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343231#Comment_120343231

The far right is currently harassing librarians all over Ireland for stocking lgbt books.

The far right wants LGBT books removed from libraries in Ireland. And yes in the next breath they hypocritically claim they stand for free speech.

Laughable that posters here claim there are no attempts to ban books.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343979#Comment_120343979

The far right was blamed for the cancellation of the family sex show in the UK last year. When in fact is was just normal people who were against young kids being invited to take their clothes off on stage with adults. Mothers /parents, and mostly people who aren't even political spoke out. Yet they were smeared as far right nut jobs. All a total lie.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344023#Comment_120344023

The Reclaim party led some of the objections. Where are they on the political spectrum? And so it was normal moms and parents threatening violence?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343906#Comment_120343906

Right that's one book.

You seem to be extrapolating from the most egregious example to justify the banning of hundreds of books, most of which do not contain any explicitly sexual content.

It's the equivalent of saying that you know of a Brazilian man that was jailed for murder therefore it's ok to justify the banning of all Brazilian men from entering the country.

Maybe show me the pornographic material that was contained in "And Tango Makes Three" a book, based on a real life story, about two male penguins raising a baby penguin in a zoo in New York.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/and-tango-makes-three-florida-school-district-bans-a-book-on-penguins

Danzy

https://www.thejournal.ie/mick-wallace-jon-stewart-6013457-Mar2023/

Mick Wallace going global, talking to Jon Stewart about the Socialist perspective on the Ukrainian war, why NATO must be opposed, why he would not vote to condemn the Russian invasion.

The days of the left being able to organise a mass campaign of solidarity with Russia are long over. In fairness to them, they are still giving it a go and have really stepped up to the challenge where in Govt by limiting and delaying arm supplies to Ukraine.

I might not like or respect the type of individual who is drawn to Socialism, but you have to admire the tenacity.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343748#Comment_120343748

Well thats not true

https://twitter.com/RichardGCorbett/status/1144369238217547776

Also Linekar didnt give his opinion on the asylum process he compared the tory language being used about immigrants to that used in 1930's Germany, a similar comparison made by a holocaust survivor

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/14/suella-braverman-wont-apologise-to-holocaust-survivor-for-calling-migrants-invasion

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344811#Comment_120344811

The days of the left being able to organise a mass campaign of solidarity with Russia are long over.

Well duh, because the vast majority of the left are vehemently opposed to what Russia is doing now, and has been doing for several years in terms of facilitating oligarchs, and stifling opposition politicians and gay rights and other human rights.

Where as the right, particularly in the US and UK have sought to align themselves more closely with Putin and his regime than any western government has ever done before.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344961#Comment_120344961

Saint Gary tried to compare a modern democracy’s entirely legal, non-violent efforts to control illegal immigration to the scientific racism and anti-Semitic barbarism of Nazi Germany which is entirely disproportionate.

In doing so he minimised one of the greatest crimes in history but there seems to be an out of control modern trend for likening certain people and certain policies to Nazi Germany.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120345104#Comment_120345104

No he compared the language they are using, again something a holocaust survivor also did over a month prior to him. Where was the uproar about her doing that from you ehh? Did she also minimise one of the greatest crimes in history that she was a direct victim of by doing exactly the same thing?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120345104#Comment_120345104

FFS, you've been on here discussing this topic since yesterday, and still refuse to grasp the simple basic facts of the story.

He said the language being used now is reminiscent of language from 1930's Germany. That's it, that was literally the tweet. This is the second topic on here in 24 hrs that you are insisting on running with your own fake news narrative strawman argument.

It's either foolish, or deliberately misleading. Which is it?