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Women (always) worst hit by wars: Hillary Clinton & now UN

  • 13-03-2022 2:27pm
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭ iptba

    Hillary Clinton:

    "Women have always been the primary victims of war."


    "The Ukraine war — like all conflicts — will hit women and girls the hardest, UN warns"

    This is despite the fact that men aged 18-59 can't leave Ukraine due to conscription.

    There are threads on Ukraine/the Ukraine war specifically but I'm suggesting a more general discussion about the claim that women (and girls) are affected worse by wars and related issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭ Quantum Erasure

    "Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons, in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well."

  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Did you not already start a thread on this op?

  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Nsonowa

    There's already a thread for woke shite - which this is.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 Jackoflynn

    He's insane.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭ iptba

    As I think you know as you posted on the original thread, I started a thread entitled "The Ukraine war — like all conflicts — will hit women and girls the hardest, UN warns" on another forum. It was shut down with the reason "We already have a thread discussing this war".

    I have tried to make it crystal clear in the title and original post here that this isn't a thread specifically about the Ukraine war. I'm sure it won't stop some people trying to get it shut down.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭ Jequ0n

    You seem to have some issues, OP…

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭ Jequ0n

    Can you calm down again, please?

    If you bother to check you can see that I agreed with the OP on his original thread. I really can’t see what purpose a second identical thread serves apart from being shut down again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭ iptba

    The first thread was stopped after less than 17 hours. I reckon a lot of people hadn't had their chance to have their say and/or for a discussion to properly develop. Of course, perhaps I'm wrong and we won't see any more posts on this thread.

    It's a timeless topic: I don't see it as being out of date even if the UN spokesperson's comments are now a day older.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 Jackoflynn

    Completely insane.

  • Registered Users Posts: 31 Jackoflynn

    You will see more posts.

    See mine.

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭ riffmongous

    I think it must depend very much on the type of war or conflict.. in a straight up conventional war then it's going to be worse for men on the front lines, but in a Congo War style low intensity ethnic conflict I'd imagine that will affect woman worse..

  • Can you calm down again, please?

    You might want to re-examine your post that I responded to... you set the tone.

    As for why the second thread, the OP explained it. The previous thread was shutdown prematurely, for reasons other than the intent/direction of the thread itself.

  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭ bejeezus

    Hillary seemed to want to highlight the fact that the rape of the women left behind in conflict wasn’t discussed or named as war crime per se. I believe she went too far to say that women are the primary victims of war. In her defence, she was trying to convey the pain and suffering of these women that is often overlooked.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,943 ✭✭✭✭ Ads by Google

    I always thought that comment from Hillary was stupid, but had a read through the speech there and it's fine in its context. It was given in El Salvador in 1998, before any notion that it would be widely shared and that context lost.

    Fact is the only American women raped in war are soldiers by their fellow male soldiers. But historically and in other parts of the world, women obviously have had horrid times during war. The rape of Nanking being a notable 20th century example of what has happened countless times in history. Horrific stuff happened in Vietnam, as well, and I know people who have war rape in their heritage.

    It's a tough debate, and one barely worth having. I'm sure plenty of women have wished for a swift death like that of a soldier.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭ Jequ0n

    I do not need to to re-examine anything. I would say the same to anyone who felt the need to post the same content/ links in at least three different threads on the same day.

  • So, saying that the OP has some issues, or pointing out that a thread shouldn't be continued (because it was closed previously), is a sign of support for his position?

    Right.... Grand. Whatever.

  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    This resolution is over 20 years old, at the time it was the first resolution to mention the impact of conflict on women. So, the impact has only really been acknowledged for a relatively short period of time.

    It is not a competition as to which gender suffers most during times of conflict. Everyone suffers.

    The suffering can be different depending on someone s role. There is no need to try and twist everything into a competition between men and women. Everyone suffers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    Everything there that you saids about women and children applies to the men fighting too. They will lose fathers, brothers, have relatives return home with catastrophic injuries and have to see the horrors of war. They will lose the life they had. They will surely witness terror and fear too.

    Plus they may lose their lives or become catastrophically injured themselves. They certainly have the worst of it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭ thefallingman

    are we including transwomen here ?

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