Help me choose an EV

funnyname

Looking to upgrade a 2008 Peugeot 308 and after doing some quick sums I talked myself into getting an EV however I don't know which one to get. I could probably stretch to €50k, the Kia EV6 really catches my eye as does the Hyundai Ioniq5, the V2L feature looks great but does this mean the car is also set up to use a battery to charge the house or even give back to the grid? I'm looking at solar panels for later on in the year as well so getting it all sorted at the one time would be brilliant

How does the Tesla 3 compare and are there any others I should be considering?

unkel

€50k is a lovely budget and you can buy several excellent EVs for that. Even the likes of a Tesla Model 3 as you will qualify for the €5k government subsidy.

You should really go drive all the cars you mention. There is nothing any of us can say that will mean as much to you as your own experience of driving them. Best of luck and keep us updated!

Evd-Burner

Going with the Skoda Enyaq myself, take a look as it's in your budget. although b1e prepared for a 10 month wait!

Subzero3

Nissan leaf. Awesome car for the price.

vincentohanlon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118738942#Comment_118738942

As someone who has just gone through this process, I agree with this, just go drive them all to see which one you like. I actually ended up going with the Tesla Model Y but EV6 (which can be got for 50k) is probably the best overall package..

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058236055/help-me-choose-an-ev

Regarding the V2L, I believe at the moment the car can only power things through the AC adapter. So in a power cut you can use some extension leads to power some appliances in your house

I seem to remember Hyundai are working on a wallbox to feed power bank to the house and grid but this isn't available yet

Lantus

Ev6 seems to be class leader by all accounts. My only devil advocate is do you need an ev6?? Would a 3 year old 40kw leaf be sufficient and you put 25k back in your pocket?

But look. If you have the cash and the desire then go for it. Your ev6 might be my pride and joy in 5 years!

Newoven

I went through the same process last year with a similar budget. So Taycans, ETrons,Model 3 long range and the like were out, Ioniq 5 and EV6 were suddenly available, and the Model 3 standard range/RWD had just been improved with an LFP battery and better interior. I was pretty confident they would all work fine for my regular driving around Dublin but I wanted to be confident that I could also make my other occasional journeys to Cork and Dundalk without concern about range or access to chargers. This meant Tesla always had a head start on the others as there are superchargers on both the M1 and M8, and now one in Mahon in Cork. At the time superchargers also seemed to be about to open in Enfield, Athenry and Sandyford which would be good for occasional trips to the west. The prospect of sitting in the fancy new car with family queueing for an hour at a solitary ECars charger and then charging at 50kw for 45 minutes halfway between Cork and Dublin did not appeal. Far better to pop into a supercharger with 6 empty stalls for 15 minutes if required. The one nagging concern I had with Tesla is its reputation for poor build quality.

So I test drove the Ioniq 5 and EV6 with all this in mind. I liked the EV6 a lot, the Ioniq 5 not as much. I thought the early pictures of the Ioniq 5 looked great but it didn’t live up to this in the metal. The EV6 looks good and is very comfortable and pleasant to drive but to get the best looking and equipped one means going for the more expensive GT-Line version. I also had a brief run in the Mustang Mach E but it didn’t grab me. I then test drove the Model 3 again and that clinched it for me. It’s better to drive than either of the other two, it feels more saloon-like than SUV/crossover and is more nimble. It’s fast, the technology is fantastic, the standard autosteer is impressive, and the range is pretty good. And it’s available in white for bang on 50k so a few grand cheaper than the higher spec EV6. I collected mine a couple of weeks ago and I have no regrets. No build issues I can find either.

funnyname

Thanks for all the replies, currently trying to line up test drives and will try to hit Cork on Saturday to test drive the Tesla which on the basic Model 3 has a deliver date of May which is the earliest of all the enquires I've made. I did up a spreadsheet a while ago and when I updated it now for the recent price increase in diesel, it makes even more sense to move to an EV, only difference I have between and EV and an ICE is the fuel cost and tax, I've kept everything else equal but I'm thinking there's even more savings to owning an EV such as lower servicing costs etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739731#Comment_118739731

@Lantus I get your point about saving a lot of money and still getting a good car, i've never spent more than 3k on our 2nd car and our main car a 152 cost 14k 3 years ago (funny aside looked up same model and plate recently and they are still coming in around that price) however we're getting to the age where we want to treat ourselves and luckily are comfortable enough to be able to afford it so hence the thinking of going all out for a new EV given we'll also be getting solar pv.

unkel

@funnyname - you really should not keep everything else the same in your spreadsheet. Maintenance is far lower on an EV. Buy a Tesla and there isn't even a service schedule. But the big one is depreciation. EVs have far less depreciation than ICE cars. Have a look at second hand values of the likes of the Tesla Model 3, it's glacial.

Lantus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754321#Comment_118754321

And so you should sir! Whatever you get enjoy. It's an exciting day picking up a new car and no doubt will bring you years of pleasure. Please keep us updated on your progress and final purchase, thanks.

rodderss

I am also looking I to buying a 50k plus electric car. I like the id4 gtx and tesla. Where do you even price a tesla I've never seen a forecourt.

Evd-Burner

So looks like my own Enyaq instead of being July 2022 will more likely be July 2023. So potentially cancelling and looking for something else.

KIA EV6 likely to be January 2023.

Waiting to hear back on Ioniq5 but looking similar to EV6.

To OP, make sure to your order in whatever you do choose.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118760122#Comment_118760122

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/model3/design#overview

shanec1928

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118760178#Comment_118760178

theirs a boat load of ioniq5 and ev6s due in the next few weeks, dealers do have some availability at least for ioniqs that is.

Evd-Burner

KIA guy I spoke with said he's been allocated 25 and he has over 100 people who want them, so if anyone from the first 25 say no it's next on the list. So I would only have 75 ahead.

Going to get onto Hyundai today.

funnyname

I test drove the Ioniq 5 on Saturday, it was like driving a spaceship compared to my auld 308, will test drive a few different models over the coming months but from speaking to the the sales people it seems like 2022 is a bust flush for buying new EVs if you haven't already gotten your order in earlier this year. Rethinking that the best thing might actually be to get a 2nd hand EV and then trade up in a year or 2.

Snugbugrug28

I'm looking at an EV but as I need to get rid of my ICE in short order will probably go with a Leaf as the delivery date will be sooner.

What were the earliest delivery dates you came across other than the Tesla for May?

funnyname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786190#Comment_118786190

MG said most likely next year, Skoda said no idea due to Ukraine, Kia said next year for EV6 and Hyundai thought maybe end of the year but again couldn't be sure but one sales guy told me EVs weren't allowed a tow bar as they weren't able to tow a trailer, I let him off in his happy ignorance.

Snugbugrug28

Thanks. I kinda need to make my move asap so I think I might go with the leaf for now and then maybe change in a year or two. I reckon in the current circumstances most EVs even the Leaf will hold their value somewhat and the 0% finance is a big draw too.

crisco10

I think if your flexible on colour there's lower spec ioniq 5 (exec and exec plus) to be had within reasonable time frame too.

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118760122#Comment_118760122

On the website, they have dealerships in Dublin and Belfast and a smaller one in Cork. Starting price just under 50k (most "options" included)

rodderss

Vw cork and sligo are able to get a few id4's. We looked at a merc eqa , there's no point looking at anything else now as the mercs are in a different league to us. Collecting ours tomorrow is was an amg demo.

mag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786545#Comment_118786545

tesla dellivery feb 2023 though...

wonder what new EVs are actually available to buy now?

ive been calling some dealers but getting conflicting messages..

kia/hyundai some dealers are say july

skoda/vw some saying 2023

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118760122#Comment_118760122

You order Tesla on their website ,different sales model entirely to other brands, the Tesla depot in Sandyford have cars for test drive buy you no salesmen there or anything

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797560#Comment_118797560

Depends on the spec, if you change color, wheels etc it might be sooner. They also have cars in stock (3 Model 3s available now) for immediate delivery on the website, updated regularly

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797760#Comment_118797760

How does that work as a matter of interest? Is it just someone in reception that directs you to the car?

unkel

No there are "salesmen" alright, but they won't actually sell you the car but will demo all aspects of it. In fact they know a lot more about the car than any other salesmen for any other make I have come across. And if you ask them an obscure technical question that they don't know the answer to, they get one of the mechanics to come out from the workshop and answer it

When you are ready to buy, you do so online. No discounts, no negotations, very limited choice of options, very easy.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798882#Comment_118798882

like ordering on any site like Amazon , you select the product you want , in the case of Tesla , their are only four cars to choose from anyway and you then spec accordingly

We managed to buy a VW ID during the week. We were in the market for a new car and couldn't see ourselves buying a diesel in the current climate. We were lucky to get the ID in a spec and colour we liked.

Dealership told us they had to cancel 100 car orders with materials not being made in their Ukrainian factory.

Cobalt is also scarce so will he hard to make the batteries going forward.

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798976#Comment_118798976

It sounds ideal. If you have a trade in, do you just look to sell that to privately or Zucar type set up etc.?

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799160#Comment_118799160

Congrats DancingDaisy1. Did they have many in stock? Sounds like things will be tight in terms of availability for the next 6-9 months at least so ye were lucky.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799186#Comment_118799186

Tesla "do" take a trade in. But all they do is pass the details of your car on to 3 traders and then report back the highest value from those traders to you. They won't even look at your car. You'd be far better off money wise if you sold it yourself privately. Or at least offer it to traders like Zucar yourself to see if they offer more.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799202#Comment_118799202

Thank you :)

The car we bought was literally the last EV the dealership had in stock. There were 3 other people looking at it and it was first to come with a deposit, got it. We were lucky, we got there first. I think the cost of diesel/petrol has people in a panic.

We're hoping the price of our finance plan would equate to what we'd be paying for diesel per week.

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799390#Comment_118799390

It should hold its value pretty well too due to the likely shortfall in supply in the future used market.

BailMeOut

What EVs are 'equivalent' to the ID4 and EV6 in terms of price and size?

ongarite

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is based on same platform as EV6. Same size car, probably more rear headroom & boot space.

It's priced cheaper than EV6 with smaller battery & lower spec versions.

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799505#Comment_118799505

The Skoda Enyaq and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are pretty much direct equivalents respectively.

BailMeOut

Any thoughts which one is best? I think the EV6 is best looking but my head says the VW is best quality?

Summer2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799694#Comment_118799694

The Korean ones (Hyundai and Kia) are a generation ahead of the Germans in terms of charging technology. The Kia will charge at a much higher fast charge rate that the Skoda or id4

Killer K

https://youtu.be/xg6-Vc9CSwk

@BailMeOut , worth watching this which gives a pretty good run down of the above plus a few other brands and is quite entertaining.

v10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799694#Comment_118799694

Don’t be fooled by the brand name. I traded in my ID4 for a EV6 after 9 months. Terrible, annoyingly slow infotainment system and mine was back in dealers a couple of times getting creaks and rattles sorted. No such complaints about the EV6, better car and I’d go as far as saying better built than ID4.

unkel

Korean cars are the best built cars in the world and have been for quite some years now. Don't take my word for it, Bob Lutz himself said it.

funnyname

I'm resurrecting this thread as we never did buy an EV back in 2022, however we are all set to buy one in the next month or so.

Between my wife and I, we've test driven the following

Inoniq 5

ID4

MG ZS

EV6

Skoda Enyaq

BZ4X

Tesla Model Y

For me the Tesla Model Y was the best test drive experience. I spoke to their helper 3 times on the phone, once at the beginning, middle and end of the drive. I had the car for an hour and drove it on many different types of roads. I had time to explore a lot of the different functionality in the car and found it a great drive.

With the others I'd say the most we got with them was about 15 minutes, is this standard or would it be possible to go back and get one of the cars for longer once we get to a shortlist.

Also are there any other EVs we should be test driving, maybe the Atto3?

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121805345#Comment_121805345

Yes, they are all good cars. But I feel you are correct, the Tesla has the edge over the rest. Simplicity of operating, first class software, updates, ranger service, heatpump, Supercharging, etc etc. BYD have a taller version of the Seal coming soon, may be worth keeping an eye on.

We have a Model 3 and an Ioniq 5. Both very good cars in their own ways, but we are getting tired of the number or faults with the Hyundai, having to go to a frankly incompetent dealer first to be diagnosed then often wait for a part and return again. A previous time they even tried to charge, because they said they did a software update that was supposed to be free. For the first service they quoted €440 for basically nothing except more updates. Have changed dealership now so they charged €200. Now she has the charge door sticking problem, car has to go back later today to be diagnosed for this fix. I think the missus will be going Tesla next time...

MarkN

Do not be shy about asking for a car for the weekend. If needs be say Tesla gave you one for same.

yermanthere

@funnyname that's a lot of test drives, even if only short. Care to gives us your thoughts?

funnyname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808784#Comment_121808784

Not to sit on the fence they're all great cars in the own right, differences are slight and driver dependent.

First time driving an automatic and combined with the regenerative braking it was a pleasure driving them.

However on price, driveability and on going maintenance and servicing I can't but think Tesla is the winner.

For instance Kia want you to bring the car in for a service every 15k kms to maintain warranty and say tires also only last that much. Similar from other legacy ICE manufacturers but with Tesla it was all monitored over the air and they'd let you know when anything needed changing.

I've always liked the Tesla but after yesterday's test drive nothing else came close, maybe the Enyaq being a distant 2nd.

funnyname

We're also going to test drive the atto3, they seem to be coming at it from the same angle as Tesla rather than playing catch up like the Legacies.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810234#Comment_121810234

It sounds like you're just trying to justify the Tesla spend now 😂

Go for it. Great car. I love driving mine (or mostly letting it drive me).

I'm a Model 3 owner. Haven't driven the Model Y, but i'm sure it's quite a similar experience.

funnyname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811463#Comment_121811463

Not at all given the Tesla is the nearly the cheapest of all of them, €42k is unbelievable value.