Why is the Irish Labour party such a failure ?

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118668365#Comment_118668365

That right?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS0c5AkiNg

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674555#Comment_118674555

Never mentioned material circumstances.. That would be you or another pisster.

Anyway are you taking the proverbial?

So many posters have given intelligent answers as to the subject matter and you bring it diwn to a level that people vote for politicians like blind fools depeding on their education and income. Many people, including in Darndale, as you so condescengly mentioned, are more discerning than you give them credit for.

Would depend on the politician and what his party were saying about their manifesto and policies... To bring it back to the op.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674632#Comment_118674632

You don't appear to have a very consistent position. Mr Barrister Geoghegan is "an entitled plonker" (your words) for having the temerity to try to appeal to voters in Rathgar (ironically MLM's home!) who were struggling to buy a house, whereas the like of Paul Murphy, after not doing much else despite his fee-paying schools (including time cramming in the Institute on Leeson St) is grand to go out to the likes of Tallaght and tell the locals to vote for him, Paul Murphy - downtrodden working class hero done good - and that he'll give them umbrellas without explaining to them that what's falling is not actually rain - it's just him pis$ing on top of them.

At least your man Geoghegan went off and seems to have got trained in a fairly competitive field. Geoghegan going from where he lives in D4 to run where he used to live makes him entitled, but MLM, coming from her fee-paying private school, can pop across to the North Inner City and connect with people.

Labour have been unfortunately decimated by the plonkers voting for carpet baggers who simply spotted an opportunity to play the populist cards to get on the gravy train. It's not in the interest of said carpet baggers to actually improve the voters' situations.

jmcc

Labour and its supporters really don't like SF taking their seats. How dare they! :) This is what the gombeen pension tourists did for Labour: 37 seats to 7 seats. The electorate, according to all opinion polls, seems to have moved on but Labour and its supporters still think that it is a major party instead of just another Right of centre fringe party. Even RTE has given up trying to have a Labour rep on every political show.

Regards...jmcc

road_high

Just take a look at Aodhan oriordain as an answer to the OPs question- he summarises all that is a turn off about the Irish “Labour” party- a woke, pretentious, authoritarian snob more concerned with virtue signalling and identity politics than the every day struggles of the coping working person like that cannot afford decent housing or struggling to cope with inflationary pressures.

Why is the irish labour party a failure?

Because they abandoned the actual working class for the social welfare class

calbrand

Those at the top let things drift over the last two decades, leader party was was passed among the elder lemons as if was a right of inheritance, or your turn next, by the time they realised they needed new blood at the top, it was too little too late, stagnation had set in, and it will take decades again to stir the pot enough to make themselves be interesting again

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671913#Comment_118671913

Indeed. SF is great at this populism by promising to abolish local property tax. Thats why I always laugh at people who call them socialist or marxist.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671991#Comment_118671991

Its easy to forget but labour very much had a lot of rural strongholds in the past built up through their links with agricultural workers and farm labourers. Labour in Kerry, Wicklow, Carlow/Kilkenny was very much built on such strongholds.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673255#Comment_118673255

The Shinners have also mercilessly eaten into FFs vote.

StupidLikeAFox

Context:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Little_Hurts

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673526#Comment_118673526

Ah I wouldnt completely write off a few of their Senators.

mikemac2

They support the people who don’t work rather than those who do work

They know every right-on cause but not so much everyday issues

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin supported a supervised drug injection centre for Dublin 8. Maybe it’s a good idea, maybe it’s a bad idea and tbh the medical professionals would know best instead of politicans

When asked would he support such a centre in his home area of Clontarf on a radio debate the answer given was a stumbling um,eh, no not for Clontarf

mikemac2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674819#Comment_118674819

Yes seen this a few times on boards. That Mary Lou McDonald lives in luxury in Rathgar.

Her house with her Bord Gais husband is in Cabra a stones throw from Navan Road. Pop across to the North Inner City? She lives on the Northside. A good house for a double income family and sure why not, it’s hardly Abbeville

In fact the first time she ran in Dublin Central she was blasted as a parachute candidate as some said that was Dublin West. Indeed some of Navan Road got moved from Dublin Central to Dublin West years later.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674819#Comment_118674819

I think you need to read my posts as I have neither offered an opinion on Paul Murphy or MLM , and my description of that Geoghegan guy as an entitled plonker is not to do with his seeking a seat outside of his area of residence but my opinion of him and what he said and did previously and during the by election last year .

In fact said Geoghegan was parachuted in to knock another Fine Gael candidate ( surprise surprise, an outspoken woman !) Kate O'Connell off the ballot by her own team .

You know the one where he was roundly beaten by Labour candidate Ivana Bacik ?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675730#Comment_118675730

I just put him out there as someone who had the piss taken out of him and was criticised for trying to get himself elected on the back of trying to convince a certain section of the electorate that he was "just one of them" when he wasn't. I'm fairly sure that you yourself stood up for the concept of well off people running to help "less well off" so it was a fair question to ask whether you supported Geoghegan the same way.

I don't give a **** about the man. I think he was being disingenuous by trying to portray himself as a "voice of a generation" or whatever it was, when it wasn't the case. Same as Paul Murphy or MLM. If he came out and said "yeah I've been lucky/worked hard and done well and I don't need the help but most others do" then that is different.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675521#Comment_118675521

You can build whatever narrative you want. Nobody commented on where she lives now. Just on where she grew up.

Given all the advantages she had in life, it would hardly be a good sign now if she was homeless. If someone is given that much of a headstart then it wouldn't be a great look not to have done anything with it would it?

Who would you trust to run things for you:

Person A who is now very wealthy but started with nothing and built themselves up, or

Person B who started out with a silver spoon and ended up on social welfare?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675751#Comment_118675751

You are mistaking me for someone else in your point there about "well off representing less well off " .

While I don't have a problem with parties running good people in areas where they are under represented , ( else how can they win seats in these areas ever ?) that is not the same as what you are describing . You appear to want to infer that that is what I or indeed other posters were saying when the practice was defended , but that is just dragging the debate to a childish level .

There are outrageous abuses like the Geoghegan / O'Connell situation I described but that is ,yet again, off topic .

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675846#Comment_118675846

You never described any abuses of any "Geoghegan / O'Connell situation". You merely called him an entitled plonker.

My only knowledge of the fella was that he put himself forward as the voice of a generation locked out of the housing market when he had a 750k house in another constituency himself. What are you talking about there yourself? I don't see any real difference between him doing that and the like of one of the aforementioned trust-fund socialist babies going out to Tallaght with a microphone and rallying crowds with chants of "we this" and "we that" etc. It's a similar con. What I don't see is how you would support one and not the other.

PM out with his loudhailer shouting at yer wan Joan Burton. Man of the people against the establishment. Man of the people being the private school boy whose daddy was one of the top people in the Irish branch of a huge multinational. Establishment being the woman who grew up in Inchicore and whose adopted father worked in an iron foundry. Ya couldn't make it up. and the eejits lapping it up. 🤣

At least your man Geoghegan seems to have gone and educated himself and used his advantages.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675884#Comment_118675884

You don't read other people's posts just off in your own little world.

Goodnight and sweet dreams 😊

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675969#Comment_118675969

Sure go ahead. Humour me. Point out the post where you gave us information that makes this O'Connell/Geoghegan situation worse? He was picked to run over her. He wasn't living in the constituency at the time but had lived there before.

Whereas, in the earlier example Louise O'Reilly was parachuted in on top of the local man. O'Reilly promised she'd move to Fingal if elected. She did move after she was elected. Not to Blanchardstown or Mulhuddart or somewhere like that but to Skerries. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/make-a-move-to-skerries-for-a-prime-slice-of-outdoor-life-1.4170478 . Woman of the people 🤣

But anyway, just to make sure we understand you. O'Reilly parachuting into another area she had no connection with on top of another candidate who was topping the polls - good? Geoghegan being chosen to run in an area after he had moved out of it - bad?

Speak about being in your own world 🤣

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674553#Comment_118674553

Shocking indeed. Politicians who want to get into Government. What will they think of next?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676107#Comment_118676107

Want to get into government to get their pensions but not thinking about the good of their party long term.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676038#Comment_118676038

I have no recollection of discussing any of this, certainly not re Ms O'Reilly , or Sinn Féin on the thread, Donald .

In this you are most definitely in dreamland .

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676445#Comment_118676445

That's fair enough. I'm fed up on this thread anyway.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675730#Comment_118675730

While I accept she was always a Labour Party member and previously ran multiple times for Labour, Ivana Baciks win doesn't really reflect any renewed strength in Labour

She has a high profile and is a darling of the Irish times and RTE set , she is the poster girl for middle class socialist sensibilities, eventually the media were going to see to it that she got elected

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118677298#Comment_118677298

Despite hanging around Leinster House for years, I did think she was completely unelectable given her repeated failures. That said a by-election which encompasses some of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in the country was her best opportunity for a seat. While incumbents have an advantage, her real challenge will be to retain the seat in a general election.

Furze99

At end of the day though, given the choice of FF/ FG /SF /INDFF /INDFG /INDSF and choices on the loony left, I'll still likely give the vote to Labour.

Given the usual choice we get, best option other than not voting at all.

HerrKuehn

Labour and FG were brave to go into government after the crash, it was obvious a lot of unpopular decisions would have to be made. Tough decisions are never rewarded by the electorate here. It is easy to be in government when the decisions are only about who gets more sweets. So kudos to Labour for doing it. I see some of their supporters on here think they should have stayed out. It is similar to the pandemic situation in the last couple of years. It would have been better for FF/FG to have allowed SF to form a government and let them eat **** over the last 2 years.

I would have voted for Labour sometimes. After the crash they seemed to really become the party of the public sector for me. Howlin was on about restoration as soon as there was any sort improvement in the finances. They would have been the party pushing for progressive change in the past, but they have been outflanked by all the other parties on that in the last 10 years or so.

charlie_says

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058234055/why-is-the-irish-labour-party-such-a-failure

They because champagne socialists and people see through it.