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Hobby farming encouraged

  • 16-02-2022 1:49pm
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭ n1st

    “The diversion of funding away from commercial to either ‘hobby’ farming or people who just own land and don’t farm at all is now well under way. We can expect to see a sudden interest in acquiring land in these areas and that doesn’t seem to bother those with responsibility for oversight. ICMSA has warned repeatedly that we are moving away from supporting food production to, effectively, land stewardship,” he said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭ yosemitesam1

    Nothing wrong with that. Supporting food production has done more harm than good over the past 50 years

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,282 Mod ✭✭✭✭ blue5000

    How big/small is a hobby farm these days? 🤨 Or how big would a drystock farm have to be to provide enough money for a family of 5 to live on? I heard of a teagasc beef advisor with 200 clients and only 5 of them don't have an off farm income in the house. I think icmsa have left it a bit late to cry wolf on this one tbh.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.

  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭ n1st

    No clue.

    I'd presume someone with a full time job and a permanent wage which is the main/higher annual income but also has agricultural land.

    I'm not even sure if livestock is a requirement.

  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭ JohnChadwick

    Apparently farmers are producing 1.5 times the amount of food that's needed globally. No point in totally rinsing your resources just to keep a few shareholders happier.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭ trg

    This PROBABLY isn't the point of the article but is gappiness a word?

    I feel its a word I could use a lot!

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭ herdquitter

    It's a curious strategy, rushing out to insult as many farmers as possible.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭ Grueller

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭ Grueller

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,696 ✭✭✭ endainoz

    It'll upset the big lads for sure, not sure who else it's insulting. Very few lads around here farm full time, vast majority are doing something else aswell so I suppose were all hobby farmers around here.

    Seems like most of the point of the article is get people angry at Pippa Hackett and not the entire dept who's following the exact same EU policy that she's following. But no sur it's the bloody greens that have caused all this bother.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭ Dickie10

    i was just going to ask the same question about the chap with 20 sucklers , what does he do all day?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭ Kevhog1988

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭ StevenToast

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭ DBK1

    A neighbour up the road here at something similar, 18/20 sucklers, 40-50 dry stock and about 150 lambs, no ewes. To listen to him there’s not a man in Ireland busier than he is, he’d be in the yard at 8 in the morning and be lucky to be finished at 8 in the evening. I often wonder what he does for the other 23 hours a day!

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭ Birdnuts

    Wish these farming orgs would be more honest about their real agenda ie. fully supportive of the cheap food policy. It would then allow a proper debate in regards to their hypocrisy in terms of railing against the inevitable outcome of that position in terms of eroding margins and the sorry state of the likes of the pig/poultry sector, beef etc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭ n1st

    Definition of hobby

    : a pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in especially for relaxation.

    Definition of farming

    : the practice of agriculture or aquaculture. is the activity of growing crops or keeping animals on a farm.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,573 ✭✭✭✭ wrangler

    Not as bad as someone going on teh dole for 12 years to rear the children and then went to the public service.

    At least with the sucklers they have to do a bit of work

  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭ n1st

    "busy fools" as someone mentioned earlier

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭ herdquitter

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    It ways amazed me this full-time/part-time argument regarding farming. Is a farmer that cuts hay silage or hedges a full-time farmer on his own farm. Is a lad that hauls or buys cattle for a part-time farmers a full time farmer on his own farm. Is an agri contractor that farm but operates his contracting business from a company structure a full time farmer on his own farm.

    The reality is that drystock farming takes a way less time with the advent of machinery. You could run a 200 acre drystock farm if set up right in 15-20 hours a week if you lived on it. Would this lad be a hobby farmer. If he was taking 50-80k I real terms from that farm would he be a hobby farmer if he earned 100k on outside employment

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭ _Brian

    After a polite DM i got I'll temper my position on this "a bit"..

    It was put to me that if there were two PAYE workers in a house one a nurse and one a guard, I would still consider each full time in their chosen profession.. Its an interesting perspective..

    Farmers always consider their position different to PAYE workers, "its more a lifestyle than a job" is common..

    I dont know, if you have a lad at home full time with 10 cows, minding the kids and doing school runs etc, is he more Full time than a PAYE worker doing 39 hrs off farm like myself with the same stock levels and still doing their share of family chores who people would say is Part Time or even Hobby Farming ???

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,376 ✭✭✭ emaherx

    Of course there is a lot in between a 10 cow farmer and a farm that can keep a family comfortable as the only income. And even that metric will vary between different households. I'm sure there are farms bringing in well above the average industrial wage and still have a PAYE worker or other incomes.

    To me a Hobby farmer is some one with enough stock to maintain a parcel of land without any real intention of turning much profit.

    A part time farmer is running a small business part time. (Or at least trying to!) I would consider myself a part time farmer, even though it is currently my only income.

    Maybe we all need to stop worring about how much stock the lad up the road has and how many hours he puts in? As we will all draw our own lines and conclusions, one lads part time operation may well be as big or earn as much as another lads full time.